I know I would not want to buy from Maxamps again, even if Brandon came out with proof tomorrow. Reputation is everything. However, if these packs actually performed to 75c constant and 100c burst, I would have to buy the packs.

I'll stick to my Hyperions.

It's false advertising!

Think about it. If YOU came up with a "True 150C" rated lipo pack, wouldn't you RUN to the media to declare proof?

This would mean that you just totally stomped and dominated ALL the other Lipo packs out there!

Despite what Brandon said about them being 75C continous, they are still being advertised on the website as "True 150C"

http://www.maxamps.com/proddetail.ph...4-Pack&cat=285

If you read on down into the reviews for THIS pack. There are reviews dated 2009! There is even a review from 2008!

How can you have HONEST reviews from 2009 and 2008 for a pack that just came out? You CAN'T! Old reviews posted for a NEW pack are lies!

Honesty seems to be the problem Maxamps!

Illusions of Grand things, with a Grand price tag. But the truth is..............?????????

BLA BLA BLA...good or bad words are always free advertise for MAXXAMPS
don't you understand?

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Theres no such thing as a universal truth either; if everyone on every forum is saying 'maxamps sucks, dont buy their junky overpriced lipos', its hardly going to boost their sales due to the publicity...

Exactly.
 

EXACTLY, Thats my thinking anyway. So heres a question? How many of you guys spend time on other forums and what is the discussion there about Maxamps new race ready TRUE 150C Lipo? If there is none maybe it is time to start discussions there too. Why not get a feeling for how people in general feel about this advertizing tactic.

we could all head over to RCU and start a thread on the maxamps section

Just opened
 

Well I just stopped over at the UE forum and started the discussion over there, so I will let you guys know how that goes. I am truly interested in what everyone thinks about this whole situation.

Here's another tidbit of information.

Compare the size and weight between the 6500SS series lipos and the "True 150C" series Lipos.

Both are the EXACT SAME Size AND Weight!

Example: 4S packs in both lines of packs are 139mm x 47mm x 51.5mm, 676g


IMO, they just created a whole new line of "True 150C" hardcase lipos with nothing more than a sticker printer.

Anyone that's been around Lipos knows that for a higher C rating, more anode and cathode material is required. This increases weight for the same capacity. Example: a 2S 20C 5000mah pack will weigh less than a 2S 30C 5000mah pack.

Anything smell funny to you guys? Check it out!

They do think they are smart. Same 6500SS packs, NEW marketing Scheme!

Makes sense.
 

That makes perfect sense to me. In fact when you put two & two together you get conspiracy. Funny how Brandon just took over as their VP of marketing director and suddenly they have an incredible breakthrough invention with this out of nowhere "TRUE 150C" Lipo. Sounds as if they were not selling them very well but with a new marketing stratagy they are hoping to sell tons of them. Funny what can happen when people put their heads together and anylize whats really going on in a given situation.

What about a class action lawsuit claiming false advertising? Surely there must be at least one lawyer out there who has gotten ripped off by these jokers who will do it pro bono...

I'd be soo pissed if I bought a 2010 vette with a 600hp supercharged all aluminum V-8, just to receive the car with a bone stock 4.3l 250 horse V-6...

that was talked about a few pages back...

basically there is no standard way of measuring C rating...

Misunderstood.
 

I believe that you may have misunderstood what he meant. I am sure that he is talking about the fact that these guys are trying to deceive us by rebadging their own product with this new claims, knowing full well that there is nothing new or special about these cells in comparison to their regular cells. Like it was stated how do you increase power, maintain run time and voltage without increasing the size of the packs?? Sounds fishy for sure. Like stated take your already built Lipo packs and re-package them in a hardcase and wrap them with a new shrinkwrap and call it Kryptonite. This whole thing sticks.

The 6500SS Series are hardcase too. Identical to this "New" Series.

If anyone has a 6500SS Series Pack (that hasn't puffed yet), we'll toss it on the CBA and compare the graphs at a 50 amp discharge.

Anyone wanna bet? I'm sure that's identical too.

It's a 30C cell.

Back during the whole "Surge Watt Rating" Debate, the "surge" rating was double the actual C rating. There are still some 6500SS packs on the site with a "60C" rating.

This is really nothing new though. They've been doing this for years.

Wow! I have some flame decals and gonna put them on all my lipos to make them true 150c.Thanks MA.HA! HA!

Who woulda thunk it, MA playing marketing games ????????

Gee, Kinda explains why HK Nanos packs are so much bigger than their regular 30-40C packs ?

You can send in a complaint to the FTC about the false advertising claims. Each state has simliar statutes about the claims, but not sure where to send them. But you need definite proof of course.

Obviously we're not Maxamps target demographic. These are aimed at cashed up people with no concept or understanding of lipos, higher numbers must be better here have my cash. Those of us who have taken the time and effort to research and actually have an understanding sadly make up a very small portion of the market.

Not the point
 

I do not think that is the point of this thread. From all accounts I would say that very few of us here on RCM are buying these battery packs. Mostly because a lot of us have already been burned by Maxamps already with past experiences dealing with them, and just do not trust their shady business practices period. It is up to them to change that view, and that is what this thread is all about. I don't know if their cells are any better or worse than the rest of them, but Maxamps has been charging a very high amount over what the rest of them have been since the start of R/C Lipos in general.

I think more to the point that the people who are regulars here on RCM are tired of seeing people being lied to and scammed by products and ads like this one. Plus by asking the questions that we have been asking in here over the last few weeks have provided enough info for the average person visiting here to take a close look at what is being done by Maxamps to question whether they should be buying anything from them.

This started out to be a venue in which Maxamps has had a chance to step up and provide us with some level of validity to their new ad which states "TRUE 150C race ready Lipos". You tell me. Have they taken this chance and provided anyone with some thread of evidence to back this ad up? Or maybe changed the ad to make it more realistic or believable, or more in line with what the rest of the industry provides in the way of specs, which are usually continuous C and bust C ratings. Honesty is the best policy. Anything else will kill a business eventually

Honestly all I have read so far is that these batteries are claimed to be a little bit better than their regular cells. The best change that I have read so far is the fact that Maxamps has finally stopped with the added cost of insurance for purchasing thier batteries. Just having that included is a step in the right direction, but we are still hearing stories that they are back peddling on the coverage with excuses about "Oh well that is not covered". Has anyone ever dealt with them and actually gotten a bad Lipo cell or pack replaced? I have never read or heard of one yet.

I have had two dealings with them:

1. Bought 3s Lipo pack for Rustler VXL, Pack arrived and lasted half a run and then died, discharge lead wasn't soldered properly and as such came adrift. Took 2-3 days of back and forth arguing before I got a refund.

2. Bought a pair of their Lifepo4 packs for my Mini Revo, delayed in construction and shipping, paid for EMS but packs still took 2 wks to arrive. Packs worked fine however, although didn't feel much punchier than the stock Nimh pack.

Their customer service is argumentative at best, lots of blame shifting and excuses but seldom are problems solved rather than merely delayed.

Wow, we need that gif of the dude beating the dead horse attached to the title of this thread!!!

Lets just leave it alone guys.

My 1st lipos were from Maxamps, and back then they were better than the similarly priced venom lipos. I would go as far to say that venom lipos are worse than maxamps and overrated too. In fact I still have some working 2100 mah maxamps cells. The quality of their stuff has gone up at the same rate as the rest of the lipo business. The high end lipo companies (hyperion thunder power, etc) have always had better lipos than MA and that is still true. HC really stepped the game up with their cheap lipos that perfomed as well as the mid grade stuff/last years tech. The few zippy packs I have owned have performed as well or better than the old enerland 25 and 30c packs...

MA make money cause they advertise. Plain and simple. I know their is better stuff out there. Kinda like General Motors, they are always saying how great they are, despite the worthless crap they continue to sell...

Regardless of product you are either informed, lucky, or paying too much.

Off topic but about MA. There are a few good things about the company. Their Lipos are designed to fit in specfic models. This is a huge plus for certain models. They seem to work with the manufacturers to make things that fit and work together. I still order from MA every now and then, it's easy to find what I want on their site. If I need a certain balance tap or plug or shrinkwrap it's easy to find and they are quick to ship. Not all their lipos are bad. I have a 2s 1550mah for my RC18T, I love this pack, it's almost 3 years old and it stays balanced, holds it's charge, doesn't get hot, and performs great. That 3 year old pack even did well in a revo vxl while I had it.

Lastly MA does a great job advertising and promoting. I have received ther free money and used it several times. Also their write a review and recieve 8AA batteries for free ( which are actually pretty good alkaline AA batteries)

None of this however applies to these 150C rated batteries. If Brandon wants to send me a set for my Flux, a 4s brick for my truggy, or a 2s for my SC10 I will gladly run them with an Eagle Tree and post graphs and send the batteries back. If MaxAmps wants to sponsor me for 1/8 scale electric Truggy racing or SC racing I will gladly use their packs and promote them, even if I had to pay a "reasonable" cost for the lipos. I'm not against running a MaxAmps pack as long as it can provide the power I need, not puff, and be reasonably priced. Currently the price is holding me back from buying one.

who's entering???
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I tried... Sticker burned a hole right through my lexan body.

Who can dig out the biggest jalopy and plaster a sticker on it?

We should have our own pic contest. Double winner if they can get it featured by MA

Winner
 

Except that our winner would more than likely not be the same as their winner:lol:. How about a great big pile of steaming dog poop with a flaming sticker layed over it.:gasp::rofl: Sorry, I could not resist.

Jerry, be gentle to them................

Yeah you wouldnt want poo on your hand while placing the sticker...:lol:

Anyone got a pet tortoise or turtle?...

:lol:

What I meant was give them a slow pitch of poop instead of a fastball :rofl::rofl:.

Appropriate
 

Sorry. It just seems appropriate considering the circumstances. I can understand Brandon's frustration trying to win us over, but the lack of follow up and the fact that this advertisement of "TRUE 150C" still stands kind of gets my nickers in a twist. Its obviously a bad choice of words for these cells, and an out & out false statement. Needless to say if I could afford it I would purchase a set just to try them out and then share my experience, but at those prices it is still just too much $$$ for me to invest when there are competitors out there who have more believable ads and more affordable pricing. Until they can show some honest advertising, better pricing, and better quality packs I have to decline from using them. You can place a pretty wrap around a bag of crap, but this does not make it a good Lipo. If anyone has these packs and is willing to share some real time specs please share them with us. Its obvious to us that they have no intentions of doing so, which leaves reasonable doubt in my mind, how about you????

While these packs are not 150c or even 75c they will likely hold up to most setups and win the big squid shootout too... And most of the people who buy them will not have any lipo experience and likely give them glowing reviews...

So MA win and the poop with the sticker will turn white and stop smelling. So is life.

So if they are there to win over the masses, why are they posting here to win over the elite? Reasonable judgement (and Brandon initially came across as reasonable) would say you better bring the best possible arguement to win over RCM. If that was there best then (like I said) why did they bother?

The only thing keeping this thread going is people like to gripe about there lack of .........(choose and option - balls, proof, stats, honesty, etc...).

Anyone coming to RCM asking about MA will get an answer. You can only guide so many and MA will continue to make silly claims until the battery industry get some kind of regulatory body that comes up with standard 'ratings' with proof tested results.

Wow, what with all the poo talk? I get enough of that from my kids, or pets, or whoever else has befouled my house that day. :P

I was thinking more on the lines of some old Tyco or Rat Shack RC powered by MA for maximum performance!

I plan to stick the MA sticker on the old lead acid battery in my truck. They are the same thing, as MA batts can start a car too!!! So that makes MA lipos as good as a 60lb lead acid brick!!!!

Word to your moms, I came to drop bombs... on your lawn, and I do not have a baggie to pick up the steemers!!! Neither does MA. They shrink wrap their steemers!! Call 1-800-Steemer, and get some nose plugs, it is getting deep in here, and the carpet is getting stained!!!

Rcm lipos
 

I would love to see Mike start making his own line of Monster Lipos to sell on RCM. I bet he could do a whole lot better product quality wise, and give us a fair price. We still have not heard any real word on how these TRUE 150C packs perform or hold up under load. What a sorry Ad campaign.

Quick two minute job. Note that the pic also displays their waterproof ability too.
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I've been following this thread since it started and finally decided to post. Does anyone remember 5 years or so ago when "they" advertised GP3300, Nimh as, "These cells do not have "matching stickers" on them but are matched by voltage .... 100% money back guarantee to be at least 1.18's on YOUR EQUIPMENT." Very little information on test parameters was mentioned, no voltage-termination cutoff points and no temperatures of any kind, plus the cells had no labels on them to verify they were in fact matched and when tested the cells were average at best, showing average voltages in the neighborhood of 1.165 to 1.175 Volts. As for being matched, well let’s just say they were not matched at all, at least not in a way that other battery companies within the RC industry were matching cells and packs at the time! There was actually info and data posted on URC at the time about this.
They were masters of illusion, not necessarily lying, but working the edge of industry accepted definitions. My point, forward to 2010 and ask what has changed regarding this advertising method other than the cell chemistry? Answer - Nothing.