Cool, just some questions:

Can a baja 5b body fit on that kit?
What is the max lenght + diameter of motor that can fit on this?
And would the biggest ESC's fit on it?

Thx!

Hi.

Yes, 5b body fits.

Opening for the motor is 100x55mm, and can be customized if someone wants to mount even bigger motors than 100mm lenght.

Bigger escs can be mounted above the motor.

Dejan

thx!

so just hypotetically speaking, these new 1/5 scale electric baja conversion from Castle can fit your kit too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwEflVjbhFs
Mamba XL ESC and motor
http://www.bigsquidrc.com/mamba-xl-1...ess-conversion
http://www.castlecreations.com/image...D-mamba_xl.jpg

I havent done any research yet about the best motor-esc combo, but it would seem that there are better alternatives from Neu for a 1/5 motor.

Hi.

Yes, it could fit with modificated TVP.
Does anbody know the dimensions of the motor?

Dejan

good question :)
the base of the esc is 100.1 mm and here you see its bigger than the esc in length
http://www.castlecreations.com/image...Combo-700w.jpg

I would say about 13-14cm in total lenght for the CC motor?

I think that kit of yours + this CC combination + a Hyperion lipo would give a nice alternative to a Baja? :) And I think much cheaper?


ps nice website, its not online but promising pics http://www.alza-racing.com/soon
and I bet if you make some advertising of your website, you would get alot of orders for your kit as soon as the Castle Creations combo hits the stores :)

How many KV has this motor?

I did some measuring on those two pictures, to get aprox. motor lenght:

http://s6.mojalbum.com/forumi-foto_2...m_18366454.jpg


Dejan

well, I dont seem to find the information of that motor (yet...)
It seems the ESC will be on sale by the end of this month/year, but I dont see a combo package (not even on towerhobbies) or a seperate offer for the motor.

Lol 12.4 cm, good guessing :)

I was wondering if you had any youtube films of a Savage Flux with your kit? :)

750kv

Sorry motor is in the car - i can try to get some apprx measurements

also wondering, a battery like this for instance would not fit in the battery compartment of the kit? http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...C65007S&cat=18
since the battery dimensions are 160L x 74W x 55H


lol final edit :smile::
But I think this is the only of the Hyperion VX lipo's that will fit, namely 2 of these placed on their side in the kit's battery compartement:
G3-VX4200-5S Length 136.3 x Width 42.8 x Height 36.5 I got the dimensions from here: http://www.rclipos.com/Hyperion_G3_VX.htm

And when you place 2 of these in series, and on their side next to each other (so not on each other) you get 8s with a capacity of 8400 mah and dimensions will be:
same Length: 136.3, Width becomes the previous Height x2 : 73, Heigth becomes previous Width: 42.8


So, with a little adjustment I think for a + 100mm motor you can have a really nice 8s set up already :)

In my opinion, this motor will be overkill for a savage FLUX. I think that 1520 or 1717 will be much better.

And if you look at this picture you will see how far out will the motor be with 25 pinion.

Dejan


http://s6.mojalbum.com/forumi-foto_2...4_18366496.jpg

That battery won't fit.

Orange area: 157x22x74mm
Green area: 167x32x74mm

Dejan

http://s6.mojalbum.com/forumi-foto_2...4_18366577.jpg

edited previous post...;)

I assume with you measurments 157 x 74 x 55
you mean 157 Length x 74 Width x 55 Height ?

if so, than my findings in my edited post above should prove out that the battery set up will fit and that would be awsome :gasp:

If you decide that you will only use standard size servo and forget
the option for jumbo servo, the battery tray can grow 12mm in lenght.

But you will loose option for jumbo conversion then. The holes for it
will stay on TVP's, but you will get shorter servo plate.

Dejan

Hmm pictures does not show how much it sticks out...

But if you use a 8s set up with a XL ESC, isn't a 1520 or 1717 motor underpowered?

When you have a full 1/5 set up and only the motor is not really 1/5 like the rest I assume that motor wont last long :)

Just wondering that it might be interesting if you could fit +100mm length motors in the kit.

No - A baja will weigh close to 30lbs - this is half that - a 1717 on 6s with a MMM is the way to go...

aha so you mean when the battery compartment is completely used, there are issues on to wich kind of servo's to use? hmmm

I have been calculating and if one was to buy a
- Flux
- your kit (130 euro)
- those 2 batteries
- the Castle combo
The total price would be around 1470 euro.
That is without reinforced parts, so everything still stock from the HPI Savage Flux...


But if one was to buy a Baja and did the conversion with the kit sold here on RC Monsters with the Castle combo and only 1 battery of 7s the cost would be 1707 euro's...:surprised:


But I assume the baja itself is already heavy duty proof so you wouldnt have to invest in extra reinforced parts...
And there seem limitations in Flux conversions if you wanna use big batteries...although I dont know yet what kind of batteries can be put in a converted Baja.
Maybe Arct1k can help me out with this, what are the dimensions left for batteries in this converted beast? :)

So maybe after all a Baja conversion is more interesting? even though its like 230-240 euro more expensive.

ow I see, than I have 2 questions left:

1.
so in your opinion everything above 6s, (like what I was aiming for: the upcoming XL kit designed for the Baja in combination with 8s) that would be overkill for a converted savage flux?

2.
what would win: 6s MMM with 1717 or a converted Baja with the XL combo on lets say 8s.


smaller question
3. a baja on 8s or a baja on 10s, would it give much of a difference with the XL combo?
If so, it would affect the answer on question 2 I assume :)

This is still 1/8 truck, it is just scaled to 1/5. So not much weight added.

Things for remove
Dogbones 26g
Battery boxes 252g
Radio box 121g
TVP's 179g
----------------
removed: 578g


5mm TVP's 867g (3mm tvps 505g)
battery plate 78g
servo plate 48g
6x brace 72g
dogbones 135g
---------------
added: 1200g (838g with 3mm tvp's)


That gives us 622g added to standard flux weight, with 3mm tvp's only 260g added.

TVP's and plates (lipo/servo) are 7075 aluminium.


Here is another picture, so you can see how much the 1/5 motor sticks out of TVP.

http://s6.mojalbum.com/forumi-foto_2...4_18366602.jpg

Dejan

so we have the option to chose the thickness of the TVP :-)

+ I dont know if this 6s lipo would fit your battery case: http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...C55006S&cat=18
edit: 165 x 47.5 x 62 mm, lol so this works if it is placed on its side.

So can the jumbo servo option be used with that 165 mm in length?
it would not require modding anything only you would have to place the battery slightly diagonal I assume...

Hi.

Yes, kit with 3mm tvp's is 20€ cheaper.

Dejan

and based on these measurements 165 x 47.5 x 62 can such a lipo fit into your battery tray on his side + using jumbo servo's?

Hi.

When mounted that way, you can fit battery 167 (lenght) x 51 (height) x 74 (width) and you can use jumbo servo

Dejan

http://s6.mojalbum.com/forumi-foto_2...4_18366846.jpg

hehe thx, that was what I was thinking of...

I am curious to see how your friend Knez will put a body on it and if he will use extended FLM arms....:)


ps: that is a handy program you have....

Yeah, and basic version is free.

This is Google's Sketchup :)

Dejan

lol! downloading it asap :)

Personally if going from scratch I would get the Baja

If you had a flux then I'd go for the conversion...

hehe thx, could you say why because if I was to made a choice now I would say Flux because of the 4WD, or is this not a valid reason to choice one over the other?

What if you wanted 4wd ?

If you dislike baja, and like 4wd, you can alway buy yourself an FG or other 4w gasoline monster truck such as Hörmann, Lauterbacher, MCD .... and convert it to brushless.

For all conversions you can always contact some RC-parts makers such as ALZA RACING (me) , RC-monster, GCM Racing .....
Dejan

Depends on where you are from I suppose. In the States, FG/MCD dont have a very big presence so parts, etc. aren't all that available. Let alone Hormann or Lauterbacher. Savage, even Baja, parts and upgrades, etc. are all over the place.

There is also supposed to be a new "Redcat" 4WD 5th scale buggy that is going to come electric. Granted its a Chinese rebadged that will probably be sold under several different brands, but it looked decent.

Yeah, I'm only familiar with cars available in Europe.
HPI Baja is available all over the world only minus for some is lack of 4wd.

Dejan

yeah indeed that is my question before :)

but at those big sizes 1/5 and kinda 1/5 (flux conversion) does 4WD have a big value?
What would win? a Flux on 6s? or a Baja on 8s?

and would the difference be noticable from 8s Baja to 10s baja?

Depends on what you do with it.
High speed 4wd won't have much if any help.
Hill climbing and such 4wd would be more important.

I am more of a asphalt guy - speed run freak - tracks.

only an ocasional jump - climping - bashing type

This rcm kit
 

Once this RCM kit is available there will be tons of Baja 5b's out there for us to see, but how many Savage Flux trucks will be converted in this way, zero. So I hope you do fab up this project so we can see how it works out for you. Considering the savings in weight I would say it will be quite a fast toy to play with. Why not loose the tranny and use a center diff in place of that to save a few mm in room for the batteries?

Actually you really don't gain that much room switching to a CD. Now granted I'm using the TCS conversion front dogbone, so thats mostly why, otherwise you will need a custom dogbone. What you end up with is more room for a bigger motor such as the 1520 or 1717.

mm
 

From the looks of those drawings even a few milimeters would be a good thing. Using a two speed tranny is just not needed with some of our brushless power today.

Flux has single speed and if you switch to CD you will have also have to change the motor as transmission has 2.2 ration and CD has 1. You can compensate something with bigger
spur and pinion.

Standard Flux transmission with 44/20 equals CD with aprox. 49/10, but with pinion that
small you are very limited with motor diameters.


There is already finished project, not only drawings. With 3 differend battery positions. Inside TVP's or in batterybox with two mounting options.

On first picture is kit wit 3mm tvp's, on second with 5mm.

http://s6.mojalbum.com/forumi-foto_2...4_18363942.jpg

http://s6.mojalbum.com/forumi-foto_2...4_18331552.jpg

http://s6.mojalbum.com/forumi-foto_2...4_18363980.jpg




Dejan

Dejan, there are several finished conversions running around here. :) But Jerry if you check out Dejan's conversion, another way to free up some battery space, although really there is plenty already, is get rid of the plastic servo/radio housing and use a shorter plate.

One of the ways to counter act the switch to a CD is by using 4.3 ratio front/rear diffs such as what I've been experimenting with in my thread. Or you can run 50/52/54 spurs which others on just center diff conversions have done and reported good success with. Or create your own gearbox around a center diff that consists of two additional gears that help reduce the ratio to something closer to a Flux's gearbox. Later, if you don't have good metal working skills/tools like me is a bit of a stretch. :)

Hi.

If you use shorter plate on my conversion, you get allmost 180mm long battery compartment.

I know there are several finished :)

It is easier to show on drawing how much space is available and what are the options.

Dejan