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mistercrash 08.31.2009 10:33 PM

I started by modifying the Traxxas TRA5415 and TRA5416 Traxxas output shafts. You cut the gear part off and have to drill a 2.6 mm hole for the spider gear pin. The tricky part is having the hole perfectly centered in the shaft.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...16_shafts1.jpg

Here are two of the TRA3985X Traxxas output gears, you see them with the flat side of the spokes up. The left one is stock and the right one has been drilled in two holes with a 6 mm bit. If you use the Axial posts I linked above, the holes will have to be 7 mm or 9/32 inch. There are two of the gear’s spokes that are thicker than the rest. The holes have to be drilled next to those thick spokes and which side of the spoke you drill is also important. I drilled according to the rotation of the gear inside the tranny, I wanted the forces exerted to the gear to be transferred to the posts from those thick spokes. The center hole has a little ridge that was cut off to allow the 8X12X3.5 bearing to sit a little deeper in the gear.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...f/th_mccd1.jpg

The two inner threaded aluminum posts that will be screwed to the diff cap. The length on the posts is about half a millimeter less than the thickness of the Traxxas TRA3985X output gear.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...f/th_mccd4.jpg


Now to start modifying the ring gear. I make the holes and I counter sink them first. To make sure that the holes were in the correct position, I used the Traxxas output gear and aluminum posts as a template. I slipped the two posts in the holes I made in the output gear and the 8X12X3.5 bearing in the center hole. The bearing is there just to center the gear perfectly on the ring gear. An 8X12 bushing would work also but I couldn’t find one.
I take the Traxxas output gear with the posts and bearing and I slip it on the ring gear, I rotate it to center the posts between the screw holes of the ring gear the best I can and with a 2.3 mm drill bit chucked in the drill press, I go through the posts and make contact with the ring gear. The 2.3 mm bit will not touch or damage the threads in the posts, this is just to make a couple marks on the ring gear to show me exactly where to drill the 3 mm holes with the carbide bit. I take off the Traxxas output gear and then I can make the holes and counter sink them.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...f/th_mccd2.jpg

Then I take a 6 mm threaded rod I have and with two nuts and two washers, I secure the ring gear to the threaded rod. I can then chuck the rod in my drill press and with an angle grinder, I grind off the teeth until the gear is left with a half millimeter lip that will fit over the diff case.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...f/th_mccd6.jpg http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...f/th_mccd8.jpg

This step is optional; I chuck the threaded rod in a power drill and with a belt sander, I can clean up the marks left by the grinder.

Here’s the finished ring gear from both sides, now transformed into a cap. You can see the counter sink holes on the inside of the cap.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...f/th_mccd9.jpg http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd10.jpg

We’re ready to assemble the center diff. I start with securing the posts on the ring gear with the M3X6 mm flathead screws. I put blue Locktite on the threads.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd11.jpg http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd12.jpg

mistercrash 08.31.2009 10:34 PM

Then I put the 8X12X3.5 bearing on the cap. Here you can see a shim underneath the bearing, you can do without it. I had the shim so I used it, it just positions the bearing in the middle of the output gear.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd13.jpg

I assemble the diff with my choice of diff lube. I like to run 100k for a stiff diff. On 4S, this lube is thick enough to allow some wheelies but unloading to the front is minimal. 50k will give you a looser diff with more unloading to the front but on 4S wheelies are practically inexistent.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd14.jpg

I slip on the Traxxas output gear over the posts and bearing.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd15.jpg

Now for the carbon fiber disk to hold the gear in place with two M3X6 mm flathead screws.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...f/th_mccd5.jpg http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd16.jpg

The last part is one of the plastic spacers that come with the stock output gear and shaft of the ERBE. I sanded it down to the right length and it serves as a spacer so the CD can butt against the bearing in the tranny case.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd17.jpg

I slipped it on the output shaft and in the carbon fiber disk until it is well seated against the cap and put a drop of CA glue to glue it to the carbon fiber disk.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_mccd18.jpg

Now install the CD in your ERBE and enjoy some trouble free CD action for racing. Next posts will be the Traxxas TRA3985X output gear installed on the scjrss and CowboyRay CDs.

Chadworkz 09.01.2009 12:27 AM

As always, MC, you have done something nothing short of amazing!

revo guy 09.01.2009 01:40 AM

Awsome, Just Awsome. Any chance of you selling these?

And if not how would you perfectly center the hole in the output shaft?

sjcrss 09.01.2009 06:02 AM

Very nice MC, I like the new design.....great job

mistercrash 09.01.2009 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revo guy (Post 317423)
how would you perfectly center the hole in the output shaft?

I made a simple jig from a piece of 1/2'' X 1'' X 2'' steel. The jig has to be made very precisely, if you can make it with good precision then it will help you have perfectly centered holes in your shafts every time. I just put the output shaft in it, flush with the surface, tighten the set screw so the shaft doesn't move, I put the jig in a drill press vise much like this one and drill in the hole of the jig which guides the drill bit.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...t_hole_jig.jpg

mistercrash 09.01.2009 10:32 AM

I FOUND IT!!!!
Here's where I got the idea, it was ''its-me'' that came up with the idea of the posts. I was sure he used 4 but apparently he used two. So finally, thank you its-me for the brilliant idea.

Here's the post
http://monster.traxxas.com/showpost....&postcount=336

mistercrash 09.01.2009 11:57 AM

TRA3985X output gear on the scjrss CD
 
So here's how I installed the Traxxas output gear on the Hyper 7 CD that scjrss made. Here's the cap made from the Hyper 7 spur gear with the 4 holes that are threaded with M3 threads.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...scjrss_cd1.jpg

The red you see in the holes is just something I am trying to stop lube seapage between the threads and the screws. It's very sticky and tough tape used to tape the seams when you put vapor barrier on your house's walls.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...scjrss_cd2.jpg

Here's the CD assembled ready for the output gear.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...scjrss_cd3.jpg

Other than the center hole that was trimmed to let the 8X12X3.5 bearing go deeper in the gear, it didn't need any more modifications. The thick spokes of the output gear are lined up between the threaded holes of the cap.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...scjrss_cd4.jpg

Four M3X16 mm flathead screws that were trimmed down to 14.5 mm in length to secure the output gear to the CD.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...scjrss_cd5.jpg

And here is the final product ready to use.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...scjrss_cd6.jpg

mistercrash 09.01.2009 12:06 PM

TRA3985X Traxxas output gear on the CowboyRay CD
 
Finally here's how I put the Traxxas output gear on the CowboyRay CD. Here's three shots of the machined diff cap. This is a well used cap so that's why it looks a little grungy.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...boyray_cd2.jpg

A shot of the stock Traxxas output gear on the left and the modified one on the right. Some grinding was needed in the spokes for the screws to meet the holes in the cap and some grinding of the spokes from underneath the gear so it would fit on the cap's elevated portion.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...boyray_cd1.jpg

Here's the CD assembled.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...boyray_cd3.jpg

And here is the output gear on the cap lining up with the cap's holes for the screws.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...boyray_cd4.jpg

The finish CowboyRay CD with the Traxxas output gear using 4 M3X8 mm flathead screws to secure it to the diff cap.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...boyray_cd5.jpg

pfunk 09.01.2009 05:04 PM

Are all of these CDs for the e-revo? I would really like another CD option for my nitro conversion. The LST diff option definitely looks like it would be easy to make. Great job btw.. the diff looks great.

Chadworkz 09.01.2009 05:04 PM

Sick, just sick!

Chadworkz 09.01.2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfunk (Post 317599)
Are all of these CDs for the e-revo? I would really like another CD option for my nitro conversion. The LST diff option definitely looks like it would be the easy to make. Great job btw.. the diff looks great.

Yes, they are all for the E-Revo.

revo guy 09.01.2009 07:46 PM

MC could SAE drill bits of similar size also be used? If not any places in Canada (winnipeg, mb) that I might find a 2.6mm, 3mm and the countersink locally? If not does that site you linked have a 2.6mm bit?

mistercrash 09.01.2009 11:26 PM

The site I linked has a 2.5 mm straight flute carbide bit but not a 2.6. This site has a 2.6 mm Tungsten carbide bit, but it says it's a drill bit and not a straight flute bit. It will do the job but a drill bit is more fragile than a straight flute so you have to be careful and go slow, especially when the tip of the bit is just about to go through the piece you're drilling. I made 3mm holes for 3 mm screws but a 1/8'' bit would do the same job as it is 3.175 mm. Close enough IMHO. I don't know of any places in Winnipeg to find carbide tools.

mistercrash 09.01.2009 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfunk (Post 317599)
I would really like another CD option for my nitro conversion.

I have a CD I made for my nitro Revo using scjrss's method but with Thuder Tiger S3 buggy parts like the CowboyRay CD. I will look into making a new CD for my nitro Revo with the Losi LST XXL parts and the ''it's-me'' post method. I will see if I can use the output gear from the nitro Revo Traxxas CD or maybe adapt a different Traxxas gear that has the same tooth count. Or maybe just use the same gear CowboyRay used.


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