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jnev 04.28.2009 06:22 PM

Hopefully you haven't updated it yet. I am looking for the Losi MRC ratios right now...

Edit: Copy and pasted from RC-Driver:
Quote:

The internal transmission ratio is 7.59:1. With the stock 60 tooth spur gear and 14 tooth pinion, the transmission has an overall ratio of 32.5:1. The ring and pinion in each axle have a ratio of about 2.64:1. This gives the Mini Rock Crawler an overall ratio of 85.96:1.

BrianG 04.28.2009 06:24 PM

Nope, no updates until I get the data requested in this post. I usually post my intent to update and wait a couple/few days for the responses. Seems to limit the late requests...

lincpimp 04.28.2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 282968)
OK, I really don't want to download the PDF and figure this out. So could you list all the gears used for each speed?
LST 1st gear: ?
LST 2nd gear: ?
List the gear pairs like so: output/input, output/input, etc. Similar to how I have the revo tranny listed in the calc. That would be the most helpful to make sure I have the right data.

And yeah, I'll add the Mod1.5

Ok lets start with the external 2 speed. Not sure if you will add that info (guess the spur sizes could go in the "spur section" under Lst)?

1st - 70/18
2nd - 63/25

Now here are the internal ratios:

LST FOC (this is the losi kit, also the internals of the aftershock are the same as this) - 23/22 primary 30/15 secondary

The Lst and Lst2 have a manually selectable high/low internal gearing, all other lst based trucks have the FOC listed above.

Lst/Lst2 low range internal gearing - 30/15 primary 30/15 secondary
Lst/Lst2 high range internal gearing - 23/22 primary 30/15 secondary

Also your "swap mod" info is correct.

I am sure no one care about the ratios for the mech reverse, so I will not bother looking them up.

NoControl 05.18.2009 09:58 PM

Question brian or anybody for that fact.

On a tc5 the fron and rear diffs are 40t the 2 pulleyes atached to the spur are 20t. Would I be correct in assuming the calc inputs should look like

F\r diffs: 2/1
Tranny: 1
add gear ratio: 1
spur: 80 (stock gear)
pinnion: 30 (since thats what I ordered)
Battery: 7.2v 6s 1.2 (since I don't have any 2s lipos yet)
motor: 5400 ( 7.5 novak drift motor)
wheels: 2.5

Not sure what the rest of the optional data is value wise.

brushlessboy16 05.18.2009 11:02 PM

So whens the update comin?

What's_nitro? 05.18.2009 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoControl (Post 288172)
Question brian or anybody for that fact.

On a tc5 the fron and rear diffs are 40t the 2 pulleyes atached to the spur are 20t. Would I be correct in assuming the calc inputs should look like

F\r diffs: 2/1
Tranny: 1
add gear ratio: 1
spur: 80 (stock gear)
pinnion: 30 (since thats what I ordered)
Battery: 7.2v 6s 1.2 (since I don't have any 2s lipos yet)
motor: 5400 ( 7.5 novak drift motor)
wheels: 2.5

Not sure what the rest of the optional data is value wise.

That looks right to me. You only have two ratios to deal with. The 2:1, and your pinion/spur ratio. Everything else would be 1:1.

NoControl 05.19.2009 09:38 PM

Thanks nitro.

BrianG 06.10.2009 11:29 PM

OK, I finally made an update:

- Added several brushed motors.

- Fixed LST/LST2 transmission ratios.

- Added LST/LST2 FOC transmission ratio.

- Added Hot Bodies D8 differential ratio.

- Added a note for the old RCM slipperential stating V1 is discontinued.

- Added Mod 1.5 gear pitch.

- Added Losi MRC transmission ratio.

- Removed battery charger data table, selection box, and all code relating to pre-set battery charger information.

- Added new feature to the Power Calculator page. Once the user enters the data into the form and calculates the power figures, it will also provide a table listing estimated pack capacities to get the same runtime at different voltages.

- Removed the Sky & Technologies link (Quark) since the address is no longer active.

- Removed the Beta alert on the BL Parameter Comparison page.

SnoopMaxx 06.16.2009 07:13 PM

Lot of updates :yipi:
I have a 775 Titan Motor in my 3906
Do I use the 10T brushed 6526 Kv rating ?


105.35 mph (169.23 km/h)

The Titan 775 is closer to 1300 Kv I think

whitrzac 06.16.2009 11:46 PM

any chance you could add the novak/speed passion "1/8" motors??

and the basic ROAR leagl ones too...

BrianG 06.17.2009 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopMaxx (Post 296292)
Lot of updates :yipi:
I have a 775 Titan Motor in my 3906
Do I use the 10T brushed 6526 Kv rating ?


105.35 mph (169.23 km/h)

The Titan 775 is closer to 1300 Kv I think

I'm not sure. Those brushed motors were added by request and I believe they are normal 540 size. Most likely, a larger motor with the same turn count will have a lower kv, but exactly what, I don't know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitrzac (Post 296376)
any chance you could add the novak/speed passion "1/8" motors??

and the basic ROAR leagl ones too...

:sigh: Lol, I did ask everyone for any other suggestions so that the update would include everything. But every time I post an update, there's always one more thing.

I generally shy away from adding just any motor. This site is not affiliated with RCM, but it IS meant for the members here, so I try to stick with what Mike had. Besides, the motor list is getting VERY long. At some point, it will become very cumbersome. But, if demand is high enough, I guess I could add Novak stuff. Post things like kv, size, etc and I'll add them.

whitrzac 06.17.2009 10:32 PM

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Kcaz25 06.17.2009 10:34 PM

I don't use Novak anymore but I do use your site Brian and I appreciate every thing you do. :great:

whitrzac 06.17.2009 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kcaz25 (Post 296643)
I don't use Novak anymore but I do use your site Brian and I appreciate every thing you do. :great:

I prefer not to, but they do make nice motors for a mid size conversion:yes:

BrianG 06.17.2009 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitrzac (Post 296642)
size turn watts KV wight shaft WORTHLESS INFO
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Y
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Y
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Thanks, I'll put that in my next update...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kcaz25 (Post 296643)
I don't use Novak anymore but I do use your site Brian and I appreciate every thing you do. :great:

No problem! And thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitrzac (Post 296647)
I prefer not to, but they do make nice motors for a mid size conversion:yes:

For the price, a 60mm or 70mm Medusa is better IMO.

whitrzac 06.17.2009 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 296649)
Thanks, I'll put that in my next update...



No problem! And thanks!



For the price, a 60mm or 70mm Medusa is better IMO.

not when you picked up a working motor/esc combo for $25...:yipi::angel:

SnoopMaxx 06.18.2009 03:40 AM

I love your site and use it almost every :yipi:


BrianG 06.19.2009 09:14 PM

Latest update:

- Added Traxxas Revo and Jato shock values.

- Added Novak HV motor data.

- Added the motor style/size to the brushed motors.

- Added Castle Creations Mamba Max 9000kv motor.

- Added Castle Creations Mamba Monster 2650kv and 2200kv motors.

- Added new feature to the Power Calculator page. Once the user enters the data into the form and calculates the power figures, it will also provide a table listing estimated runtime figures when using the same pack capacity at different voltages.

mikey09120 06.20.2009 01:35 AM

anyone have the mini e-revo and e-slayer tranny and diff ratios?

Metallover 06.20.2009 01:56 AM

brian- that runtime feature will be awesome!!

And is it just me or do I not see 2.2 truck gladiators?

trev3813 06.20.2009 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallover (Post 297338)
brian- that runtime feature will be awesome!!

And is it just me or do I not see 2.2 truck gladiators?

You don't. I looked for them the other day for my friends pede. i just used dirt hawgs.

Metallover 06.20.2009 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trev3813 (Post 297350)
You don't. I looked for them the other day for my friends pede. i just used dirt hawgs.

Seems like most of the offroad 2.2 truck tires are 4", which is what the gladiators are. Some people don't know that though.. Maybe Gladiators can be put on the list for the next update? :whistle:

blueb8llz 06.24.2009 08:00 PM

what motor should i pick if i had a traxxas velineon motor. its the one that comes stock with the vxl slash.

BrianG 06.27.2009 11:10 PM

Another update:

- Added Ofna Jammin CRT.5 shock values.

- Added 1/16 Revo and Slash (VXL) tranny and diff ratios, and the spurs. Not positive if these ratios are 100% correct, but I believe they are. I looked at the exploded diagrams at the TRX site and counted teeth. Also, I do not know the pitch value for the spurs.

- Re-added code to the "Lithium Battery Chargers" page to auto-fill the various values (max amps, max cell count, power limit, and efficiency). But, no other data was re-tained (such as other features).

Semi Pro 06.27.2009 11:18 PM

keep up the good work BrianG

SnoopMaxx 06.28.2009 05:35 AM

Your the greatest Brian

Metallover 07.14.2009 12:49 AM

I'm trying to figure out the amp draw I'll have in my crt .5. I'll have the medusa 3300 (.007ohms) and I want to know the amp draw for 3s and 4s lipo.

I went to the ohms law calculator and plugged in the numbers. I got like 2,000 amps and 30,000 watts. What am I doing wrong? Is ohms supposed to be in micro-ohms or something?

brushlessboy16 07.14.2009 08:01 AM

to find amps use this...

http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/_power.html


On the speed calculator the output power is dependant on the amperage you put in...

Patrick 07.14.2009 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallover (Post 304330)
I'm trying to figure out the amp draw I'll have in my crt .5. I'll have the medusa 3300 (.007ohms) and I want to know the amp draw for 3s and 4s lipo.

I went to the ohms law calculator and plugged in the numbers. I got like 2,000 amps and 30,000 watts. What am I doing wrong? Is ohms supposed to be in micro-ohms or something?

Motors don't have a constant resistance while running.

BrianG 07.14.2009 10:32 AM

Sounds like you are using the motor's DC resistance value, which is very low.

For simplicity, let's assume the PWM switched DC output of an ESC is AC, because it is.

A coil, being just a relatively short piece of wire, will have very low resistance. But, as soon as you use AC voltage to drive it, the alternating current causes a fluctuating magnetic field to form which counters the current. This looks like resistance to the supply because it is opposing. The amount of this resistance, called impedance, will vary with frequency, specific coil, and mechanical load placed on the motor. This is why getting a current value is near impossible.

The best you could do is get a runtime measurement based on your current setup, and calculate the average current draw using runtime and pack capacity used. The peak or burst current will be around 6-10X that value depending on drivestyle, esc settings, etc, but it gets you in the ballpark.

Or, use the following page once you have that data: http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/_power.html

ptt81 07.22.2009 04:11 AM

Brian, I have a quick question, what settings do I need to use for Losi 8ight Buggy transmittion, differential and ratio. thanks

Gee 07.22.2009 04:59 AM

for the front/rear diff : 4.3 = Typical ........ 43/10

and

transmission: 1 = direct drive/center diff 1:1 for the transmission

and

additional gear ratio: 1 = default

BrianG 08.03.2009 06:36 PM

A small update has been uploaded:

- Added more lipo charging adaptor options for packs with the typical balance connector layout.

- Added Xray XT8 differential ratio and stock spur gear.

- Added "1:1 rollout" rule to the Top Speed Estimator page. Implemented in the pinion table and at the bottom of the results section.

- Removed alert box messages and replaced with HTML code.

SnoopMaxx 08.04.2009 10:11 AM

I just saw the 1:1 roll out
Could you plz explain what it means :smile:

Thanks for an awesome site :yipi:

BrianG 08.04.2009 10:33 AM

Click the little help question mark.

Quote:

The 1:1 rollout rule simply is a method used by some to find the "ideal" gearing such that one revolution of the motor causes the tires to move one inch.

This rule does not suggest the gearing for maximum top speed, nor does it guarantee a cool running setup. It is simply a starting point. You should always still use ESC, motor, and battery temperatures as a guide.

BrianG 08.04.2009 01:35 PM

Ok, another update:

- Fixed differential manufacturer typo.

- In the Top Speed Estimator, removed the suggested "1:1 rollout" pinion in the results section. This was changed to show the current rollout ratio. The pinion tooth count to achieve a 1:1 rollout is still listed in the pinion table (click the gears icon in the results section). Added more verbiage to explain rollout and the "1:1 Rollout" rule (in the help function). Also changed the error message to be more appealing.

- Changed the color of the help window from drab gray to something that stands out a little more.

simplechamp 08.04.2009 07:10 PM

I know I'm partial to the rollout calc, but you did a great job, it's exactly what I had in mind.

I think everyone will see now that it's not a big change or whole new way of doing things.

Unsullied_Spy 08.05.2009 02:35 AM

1:1 for my Muggy is around 9T, ideal gearing so far seems to be 14T. No offense but I think that theory doesn't work so well. With a 9T pinion I'd be over-revving the motor and have no speed at all.

BrianG 08.06.2009 06:33 PM

Another update:

Added option for Traxxas EVX2 to the wiring page. I used the info from Neil's diagram (which he originally got from me :smile:). I made it so certain other options (BEC and LVC) were disabled when this ESC is chosen.

pinkpanda3310 08.06.2009 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 309840)
A small update has been uploaded:

- Added more lipo charging adaptor options for packs with the typical balance connector layout.

- Added Xray XT8 differential ratio and stock spur gear.

- Added "1:1 rollout" rule to the Top Speed Estimator page. Implemented in the pinion table and at the bottom of the results section.

- Removed alert box messages and replaced with HTML code.

What about the amp draw calc donated by B4maz? Here's my vote.:smile:http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...motor+amp+draw


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