thanks mate, yeah i did overlook that. i guess the fact the car is whisper quiet compared to the revo it sort of is deceiving how powerful the car is. i guess with nitro we associate audible engine rpm to the tractive effort or lack off with the tyres. with BL its weird, like no effort at all. like watching a top fueller run the 1000 to the sound of a weed whacker. strange, but thats how i like it. sleeper truck.