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ffactory666 08.21.2008 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnev (Post 204019)
ffactory - There was a diagram posted somewhere on the forum that shows exactly what you said. Using those 4 mounting tabs, it mounts straight to a another mount on the chassis. As long as those tabs on the ESC are metal, it should be a very durable and secure way of mounting the ESC. :yes:

EDIT: I didn't find the post, but here is the exploded view of how the ESC is mounted:
http://www.losi.com/ProdInfo/Files/8IGHTEexplode2.pdf
That a very clever design of how the gear mesh is adjusted too. :yes: I actually like that better because you can loosen only one screw instead of loosening two in a very awkward position.

While looking there, I also found the body for the "E-8ight":
http://www.losi.com/Products/Feature...rodId=LOSA8097
Although not much info on it...

You have been a busy boy , thanks for those links :wink:
Surely the mounting tabs are metal and that motor mount is brilliant , only needing one screw from the top to adjust mesh .
It's a pain in the ass adjusting mesh in the X2 with the RCM mount , i have to remove the whole radio tray and then my hex wrench still doesn't fit to get to the bottom screw . I have to use on of those cheap L shaped hex wrenches that come in the car kits.
I think this was in the planning for a long time from Losi , very impressed :yes:

joeling 08.21.2008 08:22 AM

I think it's a 45mm dia. motor. Else why should the motor mount be angled upwards ? Also this way, it can survive a setup with lower rpm & higher gear ratio. What do u think ?

This is one big step towards making 8th scale electric vehicles common.

Regards,
Joe Ling

gixxer 08.21.2008 09:41 AM

I like the motor mount. Nice and easy to adjust the gear mesh. I already had a converted 8 but if they release a complete kit I will probably buy it.

Tekno_Addict 08.21.2008 10:53 AM

Freaking awesome! I'll be trying this setup out. ;)

jayjay283 08.21.2008 12:27 PM

Thats some sweet stuff, interesting the opted for motor breaks from the factory. they use weird #s like 420 wheels= 40 series + 20mm hub. 720 probably length 72mm and something. Cant wait to see this stuff released though its a bit late in my 8Ts conversion life to buy it unless that motor and mount are just retardedly sweet.

kulangflow 08.21.2008 12:54 PM

Just PM'd one of the Losi reps, Rich Trujillo. He didn't work on the project for the 8E, but this is what he had to say about it:
"Hi Brian,
Here is a link to the motor specs etc.http://www.losi.com/Products/Default...rodID=LOSB9557
All the parts should be out in late September.
Although I was not involved with this project, I have seen it run in testing and to me it was just crazy how good it was...yes I know I work for Losi, but I'm telling you, it works awesome and I might actually have to convert my 8 since I have always hated Nitro LOL

Rich"
I asked if he could come up with the actual measurements for us, so hopefully he'll be able to.

http://www.losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9557_Gal1.jpg

alangsam 08.21.2008 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finnster (Post 203855)
Cool, they have a $80 conv kit too for the 8. That motor mount looks suprizingly similar.....

Does anyone see the the esc only price? It just may come out before the MMM does. Novak is the one really screwed here tho. The HV system just looks like a dinosaur. I don't understand what they are doing trying to milk that thing out w/ "5mm upgrade" kits when now the OEMs have better controllers. Nice going losi (and nice to see they got it out before TRX ;) )

Novak can and will milk the dinosaur because Bob Novak is the ROAR motor committe chair and he wont approve anything thats better than Novak re: Castle. He's going to have a harder time telling Losi thier stuff cant be approved. It really makes ROAR look bad.

alangsam 08.21.2008 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyjr (Post 203847)
Please don't let the mini's (especially the MLST's) send you away from Losi. I have an 8T and will not drive another truggy ever again. I like the motor mount, and the battery box. I can't wait to get one, for my truggy

I made the mistake of buying two of these for my sons. we spent big bucks trying to harden them. worst RC product and Losi wouldnt stand behind them.
Add the Muggy to this experience - again they wont admit it has major design flaw and i wont buy their kit.
I compete with my Mugen against the 8's and they are a good ride but thats about all i have seen from Losi in terms of high Quality.

It is very cool however that we have more competition in the space now as it will raise the bar for everyone. It hopefully will nudge Traxxas as well.

alangsam 08.21.2008 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kulangflow (Post 204109)
Just PM'd one of the Losi reps, Rich Trujillo. He didn't work on the project for the 8E, but this is what he had to say about it:
"Hi Brian,
Here is a link to the motor specs etc.http://www.losi.com/Products/Default...rodID=LOSB9557
All the parts should be out in late September.
Although I was not involved with this project, I have seen it run in testing and to me it was just crazy how good it was...yes I know I work for Losi, but I'm telling you, it works awesome and I might actually have to convert my 8 since I have always hated Nitro LOL

Rich"
I asked if he could come up with the actual measurements for us, so hopefully he'll be able to.

http://www.losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9557_Gal1.jpg

Hey Kingaflow - that link to the spec's doesnt seem to work?

gramey 08.21.2008 05:03 PM

I'm actaully a little disappointed that Losi a marketing a conversion kit rather than a complete electric 8B/T, perhaps that will follow. It will be interesting to see how the esc & motors stack up against the competition though.

ffactory666 08.21.2008 06:46 PM

I just watched the RCTV live episode with the Xray 808 . The team driver mentions that Xray might be releasing an electric version in the future .

looks like the ball is starting to roll :yes:

kulangflow 08.21.2008 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alangsam (Post 204179)
Hey Kingaflow - that link to the spec's doesnt seem to work?

Who's Kingaflow? :lol:

I fixed the link in my first post, but here it is again just for fun.

kulangflow 08.22.2008 01:04 AM

I received the motor dimensions from Rich (Losi Rep):
Hi Brian,
Here are the details I was able to get:
Length-66.8mm
Diameter-39mm
Shaft Diameter-5mm
Shaft Length coming out of the end of the motor: 24.5mm

Rich

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.23.2008 01:20 AM

Amain now have them lised on their site

gixxer 08.23.2008 01:07 PM

wow that was quick. they also list the expected date as 9/12.

ffactory666 08.23.2008 06:25 PM

If that date is accurate there not too far away .
What's Losi like with release dates ?

CRTIM 08.24.2008 02:10 AM

being new to this...will any of the new Losi combo's be a good choice for a 1/8 CRT Truggy ?? ...still trying to figure out a motor/esc for my conversion...until i can afford a neu..lol...thanks for the help

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.24.2008 02:37 AM

Well the Losi combo is more than what the CC/Neu Combo is listed at

E-Traxxer 08.24.2008 03:35 AM

It's nice to finally see one of the big companies with an electric conversion, but I would have liked to see a chassis along with it, that is more suited for an electric layout. Also, they should add the option to be able to use motor brakes and possibly a slipper with the center differential. Once the electric 1/8th scale becomes more popular with sanctioned races and the like, I bet that all of those will be available.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffactory666 (Post 204814)
What's Losi like with release dates ?

From what I have seen, Losi usually doesn't even tell anyone about their new products until they are almost released, so I'm going to guess that they will be pretty close to their set release date.

ffactory666 08.24.2008 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-Traxxer (Post 204928)
It's nice to finally see one of the big companies with an electric conversion, but I would have liked to see a chassis along with it, that is more suited for an electric layout. Also, they should add the option to be able to use motor brakes and possibly a slipper with the center differential. Once the electric 1/8th scale becomes more popular with sanctioned races and the like, I bet that all of those will be available.



From what I have seen, Losi usually doesn't even tell anyone about their new products until they are almost released, so I'm going to guess that they will be pretty close to their set release date.


Sweet , i have only dealt with AE , Kyosho and Yokomo in the past , AE being the worst with eta release dates .

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.25.2008 02:17 AM

Any idea if Mike will be carrying these?

Five-oh-joe 08.26.2008 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kulangflow (Post 204342)
I received the motor dimensions from Rich (Losi Rep):
Hi Brian,
Here are the details I was able to get:
Length-66.8mm
Diameter-39mm
Shaft Diameter-5mm
Shaft Length coming out of the end of the motor: 24.5mm

Rich

Sounds like a relatively large motor. Add to the fact that it's 4 poles, and it's probably pretty nasty torque-wise.

Nice. I can't wait to see rotor comparison pictures if anyone takes the dive on at least this motor.

BlackedOutREVO 08.26.2008 06:52 PM

Im actually thinking about the motor here

I love the tabs, makes clean neat wiring soooo much better, and You can use what ever color wire You want. The esc looks nice, but to big LOL.

This will be fun to see if its any good! I hope it is

TexasSP 08.26.2008 09:16 PM

The specs on this thing are pretty nice. Not everything I would want but definitely looks to be a solid controller. If novak does not get on the ball quick, they are destined to be left in the dust. Won't break my heart though.

niak 08.28.2008 08:54 AM

first post.. woo

does anyone know if the chassis is the same part number as the 8ight ?

its going to be alot cheaper to get the race roller, conversion kit (sorry mike) and DIY 8ight-e the only thing that would hold me back would be if a converted version could not be exactly the same as the 8ight-e. in other words, can you convert a 8ight-e to an 8ight ?

Sammus 08.28.2008 08:59 AM

I don't know if theyre releasing an electric buggy by itself, I think there is only a conversion kit that works on the 8ight buggy. The link in the OP has a picture and a list of parts, which doesn't include a chassis, so I'm gussing it works on the stock chassis.

niak 08.28.2008 09:33 AM

check it out http://www.losi.com/Products/Default...rodID=LOSA0803

Sammus 08.28.2008 09:36 AM

Well well well, I stand corrected :)

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.28.2008 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kulangflow (Post 204342)
I received the motor dimensions from Rich (Losi Rep):
Hi Brian,
Here are the details I was able to get:
Length-66.8mm
Diameter-39mm
Shaft Diameter-5mm
Shaft Length coming out of the end of the motor: 24.5mm

Rich


So that's just a tad smaller than a 1515 Neu?

suicideneil 08.28.2008 07:56 PM

Yep, just a tad, so it should have about the same power. Cant speak for quality or efficiency though- only one way to be certain on that...

magman 08.28.2008 09:39 PM

If the motor is a bit smaller than a 1515 and a bit larger than a 1512, w/the 1700kv on 5s, it should rip!

DRIFT_BUGGY 08.31.2008 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 203994)
I dont know this for sure but I suspect the 720 motor means its 72mm long like a Feigao XL motor. Its probably 36mm diameterx 72mm long.

Just a guess, but it makes sense in my easilly confused brain.

They got them listed as 670 size motors on Losi now. The motor is 66.8mm long

http://www.losi.com/Products/Default...rodID=LOSB9557

kulangflow 08.31.2008 09:57 AM

They have the manuals for the motor and esc up now. The motor manual shows motor efficiency and what-not.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...motorspecs.png

It's amazing how similar the esc software is to Castle Link. I guess it's the sincerest form of flattery. I like the quick programming card option.

It's interesting that you can tell the esc what type of radio you're using.
"Legacy or 2.4GHz – This setting is intended to reflect what type of Radio System you are using, i.e. Transmitter and Receiver.
Default is 2.4GHz because there are many of these systems in use.
If you use a Legacy system, then you can select this setting (27MHz, 40MHz, or 75MHz).
The Electronic Speed Control internal switching rate is increased with the 2.4GHz selection
and may cause interference with Legacy Radio Systems.
"
I like that the BEC voltage is adjustable:
BEC Voltage: Programmable from 5.2V up to 6.5V at 6A
I am anxious to see if this system is a performer. It certainly looks good on paper.

gixxer 08.31.2008 10:59 PM

It does look good on paper. I really like the programmable bec, and that the esc actually mounts to the chassis. Would like to see 6s though.

jhautz 09.01.2008 10:57 AM

I got it from a couple reliable sources that the Losi esc is made by hobbywing in china and the esc hardware design is basically a direct copy of the Novak circuts but with sensorless software.

I am not holding out to much hope that this is going to be anything special. Hobbywing is the same people that make all of the other low end stuff for companies like venom, speedpasion, orion. They are a no name company that produces escs and then lables them any way another company wants them. I guess its possible they could be OK, but we wont know for sure untill they are released.

Pretty lame of Losi to use a rip off of Novaks circuit design IMO. If you look at the hobbywing website there is a section for 1/8 car controllers, but no products listed in there yet. I'm sure it wont be long before you can buy the same ESC as the Losi but with a hobbywing sticker on it and save some money.

http://www.hobbywing.com/english/Product.asp?BigClassName=Brushless%20Power%20Syste m%20for%20Car

Has anyone ordered or have plans to order one of these Losi escs? I had one preordered to test, but after finding this out I decided to hold off on spending my money on it. If anyone gets one please let us know how it is. Only a week and a half until its due out.


Not sure on the motor manufacturer yet, probably hobbywing as well, but not really sure.

TexasSP 09.01.2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 207560)
I got it from a couple reliable sources that the Losi esc is made by hobbywing in china and the esc hardware design is basically a direct copy of the Novak circuts but with sensorless software.

This would not surprise me if true. If it is true I would imagine it won't be the smoothest ESC out there either.

jhautz 09.01.2008 11:56 AM

It might be OK, who knows. But I am going to sit back on this one.

jayjay283 09.01.2008 12:01 PM

I B.O.ed one from amain, My hobby fund is refreshed for the month so ill give it a shot, I was playing wth the speed-t esc yesterday I got in a trade, petty nice and smooth, hope it compaires

DRIFT_BUGGY 09.11.2008 05:21 AM

Only a few weeks now till most of them are out. How many people plan on getting the ESC?

hootie7159 09.21.2008 05:21 PM

i'm getting the 2100kv motor for my 8ight....back ordered at amainhobbies...putting my neu in my muggy and getting rid of the 9xl...tired of the cogging....finally runs smooth with my neu....hope the losi's 2100kv motor is comparable to neu's 2200kv...


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