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BrianG 10.30.2008 01:04 PM

It looks like sand/water found its way in through the various small gaps in the case. No ESC I can think of will be immune to this unless the circuit is encased in a watertight box, or maybe a epoxy blob...

Andrew32 10.30.2008 01:25 PM

ummmm...maybe someone was eating a really really greasy burger...with sand over the production line?:lol:

crazyjr 10.30.2008 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovhartid (Post 227511)
hey man,
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that gearing a 12lb truck for over 70mph....
...you're only gonna be able to do a few speed passes before a need for cool down.:whistle:

dude:diablo: you're mean to your electronics.

Differential Ratio: 2.8461538461538462
Transmission Ratio: 1.8333333333333332
Other Ratio: 1
Spur Tooth Count: 58
Pinion Tooth Count: 24
Total Voltage: 22.2
Motor KV: 2700
Tire Diameter (inches): 5.9
Tire Ballooning (inches): 0
Motor Current Draw: 120
Motor coil Ω: 0.004
Spur/Pinion Ratio: 2.42 : 1
Total Ratio: 12.61004 : 1
Tire Circumference (inches): 18.54 inches (470.8 mm)
Total Motor Speed: 58644 RPM
Vehicle Speed: 81.63 mph (131.12 km/h)
Estimated Adjusted Speed: 72 mph (116 km/h) - 11% loss
Effective KV Value: 2641.62
KT constant: 0.5 oz-in/A
Motor Torque: 0.31 ft-lbs
Final Torque: 3.95 ft-lbs
Final Power: 2664 watts (3.6 HP)


not to say I wouldnt still hold the camera and wear the shin guards:lol:
call me up if you need a videographer!

Till i saw the inside of the case, I was wondering and still wondering. The bold and underlined part makes me wonder, whats the theorettical RPM of the mamba monster on 2 pole motors? The RPM shown would be 117,328 RPM's as seen by the esc due to being on a 4 pole Neu. I am wondering what the RPM or phase shifts the esc can handle. I hope thats understandable

TexasSP 10.30.2008 02:53 PM

Good point crazy.

Of course the inside of the case looks like someone sniffed sand then sneezed into it which is probably the failure.

I just got back after a long hard run in the park today and the V2 with updated firmware hung in all the way. Someone was nice enough to leave me 8 mounds of dirt/rock mix all next to each other to jump so it was fun to say the least. The fan would come on but when the truck stopped it shut down every time in less than 10 seconds.

johnrobholmes 10.30.2008 02:56 PM

I was thinking voltage ripple until I saw the pic of the insides!

cheesecake 10.30.2008 04:03 PM

i bet thats some sort of circuit board protection that melted into a oily substance when it got that hot

Pdelcast 10.30.2008 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesecake (Post 227693)
i bet thats some sort of circuit board protection that melted into a oily substance when it got that hot

Don't think that's the case -- we use a silicone based dipped circuit protection (called "conformal coat") doesn't turn back liquid until 600 degrees --

Looks like something (oil, water) got in the case -- sucked in by the fan.

RBMike 10.30.2008 04:38 PM

Ya, I've been using conformal coating for years & the only time I've seen it look like that was after the product had been dropped into dirty sea water.

bustitup 10.30.2008 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 227645)
It looks like sand/water found its way in through the various small gaps in the case. No ESC I can think of will be immune to this unless the circuit is encased in a watertight box, or maybe a epoxy blob...


brian its not water...its oil or grease......I was running on pavement with phaltlines and it was only for about 10 or 15min

bustitup 10.30.2008 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 227697)
Don't think that's the case -- we use a silicone based dipped circuit protection (called "conformal coat") doesn't turn back liquid until 600 degrees --

Looks like something (oil, water) got in the case -- sucked in by the fan.

after the run when I first pulled the esc out of the truck ....when i was handling the esc I could feel this oily residue on the outside of the case

bustitup 10.30.2008 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesecake (Post 227693)
i bet thats some sort of circuit board protection that melted into a oily substance when it got that hot

that was the feeing i had when looking at it .....and when i peeled off the sticker to get to the bottom of the case....the under white side of the sticker has what looks like tan (rust color) oil stains...and it even smells a little like oil

entjoles 10.30.2008 07:17 PM

did your battery vent ? do they look good still ?


sounds like the stuff inside a lipo to me:yipi:





















j/k , was hoping someone would jump onboard with me on this

kostaktinos_mt 10.30.2008 07:59 PM

could be capacitor electrolytic fluid...
check the caps to see if any has popped...

just a thought...

e-mike 10.30.2008 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostaktinos_mt (Post 227744)
could be capacitor electrolytic fluid...
check the caps to see if any has popped...

just a thought...

i think that me too:yes: ...could it be the capacitor!!??

coreyfro 10.30.2008 09:23 PM

I work at Moffett Field in CA. I have runway's for C5's JUST down the street. I keep trying to figure out who I talk to about making speed runs, or if I should just make one or two without permission, on a Naval Air Base. I've always wanted to visit Leavenworth this time of year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by castlemike (Post 227622)
We only let him drive when he holds that "I'm the owner of the company" thing over our head. :rules: We did figure out that doing 60+mph speed runs in a small parking lot full of cars is kinda stupid. I have had to replace the front end on our RC8 conversion 3 times in the last couple of weeks.:oops:


mxracer 10.31.2008 06:51 AM

looks like a nitro car still ,, oil / crude everywhere ..

cheesecake 10.31.2008 03:28 PM

im going to rip my v3 apart i remember feeling something oily on the case when it arrived and i bet by now it has settled.

stum 11.01.2008 12:27 AM

I wouldn't gear a 1.5d over 22/58 for regular use.. maybe a bit more for speed runs and such but if you are doing some serious bashing or racing that is the MAX. Racing is best around 16-19t/58 depending on your track size/layout. Typically being geared right on or just under 40 will result in the best lap times. I'll agree those packs coulnd't handle the amps you were pulling, and it resulted in the failure. Gear that thing lower.. specially considering the packs you are running.

e-mike 11.01.2008 12:50 AM

stum...do you run a new e-revo?????because i run a 1.5d(1515)on 6 cell in a new e-revo and im geared 14/68.....its really fast....(i guest).

stum 11.01.2008 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-mike (Post 228126)
stum...do you run a new e-revo?????because i run a 1.5d(1515)on 6 cell in a new e-revo and im geared 14/68.....its really fast....(i guest).

Yes I have the e-revo

You are at about 45mph with that gearing on 6s, but your RPM's are at the max 60k line..

22/58 on a 4s setup in the erevo is about 54mph on the top end.. considering the 4s 8000mah is the longest running config of any (no matter the voltage) due to the battery tray limitations I always stuck w/ 4s in it. (though a 5k 6s (2x3s) setup is pretty close, just more $$'s)

16/58 is nice for racing ~40mph on 4s (rpms at about 40k)

e-mike 11.01.2008 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stum (Post 228129)
Yes I have the e-revo



22/58 on a 4s setup in the erevo is about 54mph on the top end.. considering the 4s 8000mah is the longest running config
16/58 is nice for racing ~40mph on 4s (rpms at about 40k)

ive try this set-up but my lipo come realy wwwwwottt(160f:gasp:)and it was a pair of maxamps 7.4 8000mah,,,,:whip:lowest timing.....this is why i switch to 6 cell...geared 14/68,,,im borderline(rpm) but my lipo are cold(97f)motor 150f after 30 minutes and esc 112f

stum 11.01.2008 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-mike (Post 228132)
ive try this set-up but my lipo come realy wwwwwottt(160f:gasp:)and it was a pair of maxamps 7.4 8000mah,,,,:whip:lowest timing.....this is why i switch to 6 cell...geared 14/68,,,im borderline(rpm) but my lipo are cold(97f)motor 150f after 30 minutes and esc 112f

The 8k packs don't typically get super hot until the last 1000mAH, if you are geared hot, I mean over 18/58 I wouldn't take the lipos to the LVC. I know what you mean about the temps though, I had one of my MA 8k packs poof a touch when running it hard to LVC also, but I was geared at 22 at the time. One pack was fine 130ish, the other was 150, mA replaced for free (warranty). I will say expecially with the 1.5d you need to be geared conservative to keep the amp draw down.. but high voltage is another good way to keep the amp draw lower as well :)

e-mike 11.01.2008 01:24 AM

anyway if my temps still great i can run without problems......but my motor bearing have to survive:lol:like your said stum going close to the cut off voltage do not help to cool down a lipo but i never reach the cut-off...20 minutes of runtime max on each pack....i prefer to have more pack..instead drawing all the mah of the lipo....but more expensive:whistle:

big greg 11.01.2008 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stum (Post 228119)
specially considering the packs you are running.

those packs are the best tho, enerland cells! if he had the r's which i think so. i run mine next to my polyquest, exact same

johnrobholmes 11.03.2008 11:29 AM

MA carrying enerland cells? Not likely.

hoovhartid 11.03.2008 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes (Post 228796)
MA carrying enerland cells? Not likely.

i thought he was refering to the zippy's

bustitup 11.03.2008 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovhartid (Post 228818)
i thought he was refering to the zippy's

ya I smell something...and its just not right

johnrobholmes 11.03.2008 04:32 PM

Zippy R may not be china made, but I can guarantee it isn't enerland.

thisguy 11.03.2008 11:14 PM

Couldn't really find an appropriate thread to ask so I chose what looked like the most active. So how long has it taken CC to send replacement v3's? I sent mine just over a week and a half ago. Just wondering when I can expect confirmation from CC for when they ship back the replacement v3. :neutral:

e-mike 11.03.2008 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thisguy (Post 228976)
Just wondering when I can expect confirmation from CC for when they ship back the replacement v3. :neutral:

dont worry castle always send a e-mail when they ship something:yes:

well me too im waithing for my fifth mmmv3

bustitup 11.06.2008 12:44 PM

Responce From Castle This Morning
 
Nick,

We were reviewing your V3 MMM repair and had a few questions. The set-up
you are running appears to be a bit aggressive and may have contributed
to the failure. This should not have caused the controller to fail, but
it may be causing excessive stress on your battery or motor. We fear
your motor may have been demagnetized during this process, which may
have lead to the ESC failure. Again it should have not have failed, but
if the motor is demagnetized, abnormal problems may continue. I would
highly recommend sending the motor in to Steve Neu for inspection, just
to be on the safe side. If you wouldn't mind sending me a run down of
your set-up, we can make suggestions on how to prevent any future
problems. We will be replacing your failed V3 with a new version, but we
just want to make sure the set-up is proper to guarantee continuous
operation. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

--
---
Thomas Porfert
Product Specialist
Castle Creations


I wonder if this means a V4 is coming...is there anyway for me to test this motor for demag short of returning it to Nue?

castlemike 11.06.2008 12:46 PM

That would just be a typo when he said new version. There is no V4............

bustitup 11.06.2008 12:55 PM

I'm going to change my evil ways in the future and be much less agressive

so would a demagnitized motor cause a esc to go bad?

castlemike 11.06.2008 01:16 PM

The obvious answer would be..........yes :)

bustitup 11.06.2008 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by castlemike (Post 229903)
The obvious answer would be..........yes :)


ok just got off the phone with Odette at Neu...the motor is being shipped out tomorrow

Pdelcast 11.06.2008 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bustitup (Post 229906)
ok just got off the phone with Odette at Neu...the motor is being shipped out tomorrow

Better safe than sorry... Always good to have these things checked out. :yes:

big greg 11.06.2008 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes (Post 228848)
Zippy R may not be china made, but I can guarantee it isn't enerland.

the 4800 25c's are damn close if not, they provide the same punch, same time and same temp as my polyquest and flightpower, not to metion the cells and tabs physically look identical, many belive this

bustitup 11.07.2008 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big greg (Post 230159)
the 4800 25c's are damn close if not, they provide the same punch, same time and same temp as my polyquest and flightpower, not to metion the cells and tabs physically look identical, many belive this

ya those are the batts I was using.....its funny Hobby City no longer carries them

tc3_racer_001 11.07.2008 08:42 PM

u serious! damn...


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