Hyperion said byebye to Enerland and has gone to Chinese LiPo cells and is now putting Enerland cell based "previous generation" packs on sale at aircraft-world.com with 30~40% of its original price. That says something.

To me it just says they want to make more money. They probably have a higher markup on the chinese cells.

Interesting to see that Hyperion are changing. They were always the most expensive of the enerland cells. I had a few hyperion packs, but they were 2 and 3s so I never really pushed them hard as they were in 10th 2wd vehicles.

It seems like the chinese cells are getting better, time will tell if they can last thru some cycles...

Some tests done by EveryDayFlyer from rcgroup showed up something that's really interesting, the Hyperion new Chinese packs have their IR keep getting lower and lower when being cycled, making used packs more powerfully than new ones, aren't that ridiculous?

Enerland cell user posts show their batts have reverse behavior, higher and higher IR as time goes, which sounds more normal and reasonable. (Enerland datasheet specs only 50 cycle life typical when discharge at full C rating)

I bought myself a G3 4200mAh 35C 6S pack for my boat(you know fast boats are battery eating beasts ), looks good for the first runs, IR is 2.3mΩ/cell new, I'll watch how it's going.

I guess being a newbie into this lipo stuff I should of asked the question: how can you tell if they are out of balance? I have a hyperion charger the AC/DC version and I always balance and charge at the same time...so would they still be out of balance?

When you balance charge, they won't be out of balance unless something is really wrong with one of the cells. If one cell has less capacity than the others, it's possible to over discharge that cell (or just have it at a lower voltage than the rest) when you run the pack to LVC. It would be out of balance at that point... but will be "fixed" on the next charge. No damage would occur as long as no cells go below 3v.

If you are curious, you can check the cells voltage when the pack is first hooked up to charge. If the charger doesn't display the individual cell voltage, you can use dvm.

That IR is pretty damn good. I will be very interested to see how these new cells perform. 80% DOD seems to be about the correct discharge amount to retain the most useable life out of a lipo. Your boat should be a good test bed to pull the pack hard. Boats are just amp hungry!

A decent cell meter that plugs into the balance port is a good investment to check the individual cells before a charge and after you have stored the pack. Not sure if your hyperion has a balancer readout screen, but I am pretty sure it does. During the charge I think you press the mode button to get to the balancer screen and then you can use the up and down keys to get to the individual cell readings.

Just for info purposes, not all balancing chargers will be able to fully balance a pack during the charge. The hyperion chargers with built in balancers will drop the current way down near the end of the charge to balance the pack, but it may take hours if the pack is way out of balance. If you are using an external balancer it is likely that it will not get the job done during the charge. I went thru this with the various MA packs I had with bad cells, one pack took 48hrs to balance out, then puffed one cell (the low cell).

General rule of thumb is that if your pack is getting out of balance during the run you either have some very cheap unmatched cells, or your setup is drawing too much current. Either way it is time for a better lipo.

should one always tell the charger that it has a lower mah than indicated on battery to be safe? Lets say you have a 5400mah battery and you tell the charger 5200 would that help from overloading the cells?

As long as the charger uses a CC/CV scheme, it will not overcharge the cells. You could do that, but the charger may shut off once it puts 5200mAh back in as a safety. Not need to do this IMO.

Since you are using a balancing charger you will be fine. The balancer communicates with the charger and will interrupt the charge if one cell goes under or over voltage during the charge. That is the main benefit to using a charge with a built in balancer (or using and external charge thru type balancer). This is mainly a safe guard to prevent lipo heat/fires from being over charged, or over discharged. You can set the charger to a lower mah, but you will find it will only charge the pack to that lower setting. If you have a 6000mah pack, and set your 6i to 3000mah for a 3 amp charge the charger will only put 3000mah back into the pack, so you will have a half charged lipo. That is one of the only problem with the cheaper hyperions, they do not have separate capacity and current settings. I used to use the 5i chargers alot, and if I desired a lower charge rate, I would just let the charger cycle once, the restart it again. To be honest, just use the correct mah setting and charge at 1c.

AHH..THX lincpimp...I didnt know if the charger has a sensor when to stop putting in mah like nimh they stop it basd on heat and other factors.

The Hyperion 610i does read off cell voltages in main options you'll need to press mode till it goes to balancer then it will give you the readings, its most likely that if a hyperion charger has the balance tap option built in it will offer all these features I may be wong though.

Yeah, I have a few hyperion chargers. I like the little cell meters cause they are handy for checking a few lipos in a short time..

The Hyperion voltage checking screen is how I always check mine. With the Hyperion Balancers (and I'm sure the chargers with integrated balancers) the balancer will basically send a signal to the charger telling it to stop charging if one cell's voltage gets too high and then it will continue to balance until the pack is balanced, then it turns itself off. I'm sure the chargers with an integrated balancers will slow or stop the charge to allow the cells to even out.

The in-line balancers do not "send a signal" to the charger, they simply just cut the circuit that allows the main leads of the pack to feed through into the charge ports of the charger, making the charger think the battery has been disconnected. If this happens with my charger, my charger will began sounding an alarm indicating an error has occurred.

However, if you have a Hyperion Charger, you can connect the Hyperion Balancers to them with a data link and then they function just as the chargers which have built in balancers, they will adjust current rate if one cell is already full while the others are not to allow the other cells to come back to balance.

It's not an actual signal, no, but it does serve it's purpose.

The french lipos have a little white flag that pops up to indicate that they have had enough (charge) and cant take anymore.

:rofl:

Neil you're going to piss off the Canadians..... :lol:

At least the French ones...

I haven't looked it up, but isn't most of Canada "French Canadian"?

PS- I hated geography class.

Hell no!But they do most of the complaining! :rofl:

Hahaha!

Complaining in French!! "Tu es bete American..." I can just hear it now, but luckily I would not understand much, my french is tres rusty...

That's a second hell no. Less than 10% is french-canadian.

Isn't the US like mostly Mexican immigrants? lol sry, I couldn't resist.

Actually, I just went to get my license updated now that I turned 16, and there was 4 asian immigrants trying to get licenses and they couldn't speak too much english... They all looked like jackie chan except for one old lady.

There was also a midget.:neutral:

I was there! And... that was no midget... :whistle:

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:mdr:

I'm married to one...

A midget or a french Canadian? Or a french Canadian midget?

lipos out of balance.....

Pretty much. I figure we'll just let all the illegals come up here to get their free underserved handouts, and when Mexico is eventually empty, we'll just move down there where it's warm all year around. Except this time, we can patrol the borders with orders to shoot on sight anything that moves. Yeah, we'll have to do some work (like install sewers), but it should be a nice place after a while.

Sorry if I sound a little bitter, but I'm getting tired of seeing my tax dollars go to supporting anyone who decides to come over here and spit out a kid.

LOL, we are useless.

Too bad landmines are banned by the Geneva convention, that would be an excellent way to keep illegal immigration down (except a lot of them enter legally but don't go back).

As for french-Canadians, I think they're mostly in Queerbec or whatever it's called :tongue: I've been to Canada many times and everyone I talked to spoke Canadian (kinda like English, but with a twist :whip:).

Lipos out of balance, just treat them like they're made of glass and don't push them too hard and they should last a while longer. When you're done it's up to you what to do to them. They make a lot of smoke if you shoot them, you should try it :wink:

Actually french spoken in Canada is a little different then whats spoken in France

I believe theirs french speaking people on the East coast (P.E.I.)

sorry for derailing the thread

Kinda like American and English. Being British myself I often find myself saying the wrong slang, or using the english word and then getting a bunch of bewildered looks from people. I also tend to use more 4 syllable words than most people, interspersed between the 4 letter words!

I can see you now linc: Wha- is this rather shabby bit on my brambles?
My new girlfriend is british though- I get a kick out of her sometimes.
And french-canadians (at least the ones Ive met) are weird.

Pics please (of the gf, not the weird FCs that you have met.)