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RC-Monster Mike 10.04.2009 10:19 PM

http://rc-monster.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcmmbx6tsckit

The battery tray dimesnions are in the listing - 51.5mm x 169mm inner tray dimensions. :)

jzemaxx 10.06.2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 324996)
http://rc-monster.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcmmbx6tsckit

The battery tray dimesnions are in the listing - 51.5mm x 169mm inner tray dimensions. :)

Just ordered the kit...thanks :party:

jzemaxx 10.12.2009 10:48 AM

Kit was installed from Mike and it was great. Fit perfect.....took the truck out the next day and TQ's and won the main. Great setup indeed.

mihael 10.20.2009 02:15 PM

how is the balance of teh rc monster conversion kit?
the esc and battery on the same side are much heavier then the motor and the servo only on the other side


mihael

jzemaxx 10.20.2009 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mihael (Post 328519)
how is the balance of teh rc monster conversion kit?
the esc and battery on the same side are much heavier then the motor and the servo only on the other side


mihael

Balance is good. No problems that I could feel with the truck going around the track.

RC-Monster Mike 10.20.2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mihael (Post 328519)
how is the balance of teh rc monster conversion kit?
the esc and battery on the same side are much heavier then the motor and the servo only on the other side


mihael

The Tekin ESC is almost identical weight as the servo(within 1/2 oz).
The motor is a little lighter than the battery(depends on the battery), but the center diff is also on the motor side(not centered in the chassis).

Actually, the Tekno kit is basically a mirror of mine from a weight balance perspective(Tekno has motor, diff and esc on one side with the battery and servo on the other - RC-Monster has motor, diff and servo on one side with battery and esc on the other). My kit centers the receiver, but the weight of either kit is similarly balanced, albeit on opposite sides of the chassis(swap esc for servo basically). As I said previously, there is not a very appreciable balance issue either way, especially on a truggy. A heavy battery will skew the weight balance with any setup - you could add weight to offset if you think it is necessary.

As a side note, my motor mount can also be used on the front side for a dual battery setup(motor next to steering servo in front left). Dual batteries could be placed on the rear(2s on motor side and 3s on other side perhaps).

There are many ways to skin the cat, as they say. Our kit is as well balanced as anything else out there, but you could go crazy with lead weights and a scale if you really want to get silly with it. Most folks wouldn't know the difference - in fact, a nitro car's balance changes with the fuel level, so if you don't notice this then it is unlikely that you would notice any imbalance on an electric converted car, which maintains a constant balance thoughout the run. :intello:

mihael 10.20.2009 05:08 PM

ok thank you. i bought the rc monster motor mount.
now i search a good place for the esc on my mugen. i would take it to the same place as on the picture

mihael

BrushlessRacer 10.21.2009 02:29 AM

Haven't tested my tekno kit because of my broken RX8. I recieved my esc yesterday and soon i'm going to the track to compare both setups. Position for ESC on my "RC monster style" setup was not bad. If you use a RX8 make shure you put some foam underneed it.

Ross 10.21.2009 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BrushlessRacer (Post 328651)
Haven't tested my tekno kit because of my broken RX8. I recieved my esc yesterday and soon i'm going to the track to compare both setups. Position for ESC on my "RC monster style" setup was not bad. If you use a RX8 make shure you put some foam underneed it.

Now i'm thinking about NOT getting a Tekin set up :oh:

Byte 10.21.2009 08:49 AM

Hi Brushlessracer,

I saw that you're racing 1:8 brushless set-ups, and that you live in Sittard. This event might interest you: http://www.rcbigscaleforum.nl/forum/...?f=27&p=208486
It's not that far away from Sittard... Hopefully I've got time left and I can go the 15th of November. (I'll only watch, as I haven't got transponder) And I'm planning to practice the 2nd of January there and maybe race on the 3rd of January. (If I get a transponder lol)

Well, I might see you/your car there!

- Patrick

BrushlessRacer 10.21.2009 10:16 AM

I'm busy testing setups on some other Tracks that time. There is also a winterchamp brushless comp comming up this winter. I don't know if I'm joining the winterbash from MBS. The guys from MBS have already count me in I saw :lol:
The biggest event is Nitromania In Beerse Belgium Jan 2010
Please Check www.no-nitro.nl so we can speak dutch:yes:

Byte 10.21.2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BrushlessRacer (Post 328673)
I'm busy testing setups on some other Tracks that time. There is also a winterchamp brushless comp comming up this winter. I don't know if I'm joining the winterbash from MBS. The guys from MBS have already count me in I saw :lol:
The biggest event is Nitromania In Beerse Belgium Jan 2010
Please Check www.no-nitro.nl so we can speak dutch:yes:

Hmm, looks good! Finally brushless races are coming here in the Netherlands/Belgium/Germany :yipi:

I didn't know that site, I'll look around on it. Do you maybe know some other sites which are brushless related and Dutch?


- Patrick

mihael 10.22.2009 01:45 PM

would there be anywhere a plastic spur gear avaiable?

a 46 plastic spur gear for the mugen mbx6/T center diff?

mihael

mihael 10.29.2009 04:04 PM

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hi there

can you tell me what diff oils you use in your brushless mugens

i have the mmm2200 combo and so much front balooning. i drive 20k 20k 5k in the diffs. this is waht i drive with the nitro powerde mugen to. with a littel changings this is a good set up for most tracks

mihael

jzemaxx 10.29.2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mihael (Post 330118)
hi there

can you tell me what diff oils you use in your brushless mugens

i have the mmm2200 combo and so much front balooning. i drive 20k 20k 5k in the diffs. this is waht i drive with the nitro powerde mugen to. with a littel changings this is a good set up for most tracks

mihael

I run 10/20/2.

RC-Monster Mike 10.29.2009 04:18 PM

You may try squeezing the throttle a little slower, too. I use 7/10/2 - if I grab instant full throttle the tires balloon, but when I drive in control, the setup works wonderfully. :)

jzemaxx 10.29.2009 04:19 PM

Yeah or turn punch control down some.

BrianG 10.29.2009 04:20 PM

In other words, make it act like a nitro. :lol:

jzemaxx 10.29.2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 330126)
In other words, make it act like a nitro. :lol:

Exactly.....neuter it. :lol:

tedo 10.29.2009 04:54 PM

I run 7/10/3. Works perfect with a concave throttle profile. Very little to no ballooning.

mihael 11.02.2009 07:24 AM

which gearing you guys drive with which Motor and how much S on the lipos?
now i am driving the MMM2200 combo with 5s hyperion and 13 pinion

the pinion is to small and the 5s lipo is too much for the mmm 2200 motor
i go next week with 4s lipo and 15 or 16 pinion i think

diff oils in the middel and front under 15 000 makes the car to unstable. its no mather if nitro or if brsuhless. here in germany and europe much pro drivers drives heavier oils. 20 - 50 k in the front and middel

RC-Monster Mike 11.02.2009 11:11 AM

5s on the 2200kv motor is extreme for sure. I use a 1700Kv or 1550kv motor on 5s.
I assume your tracks have super high bite/traction and a smooth surface - lower traction and rough surfaces generally require lighter diff oils for better stability - I wouldn't run heavier than 10k in the front and 20k in the center even on a smooth clay track.

mihael 11.02.2009 11:18 AM

hi there yes i know, 5s is too much. my 4s lipos are on the way.

i am looking for a sammler kv motor to use with higher voltage in my mugen for runtime and good temps

kneedeeppow 11.06.2009 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mihael (Post 328917)
would there be anywhere a plastic spur gear avaiable?

A 46 plastic spur gear for the mugen mbx6/t center diff?

Mihael

+1??

BrushlessRacer 11.06.2009 04:44 PM

Update of my thead:

Now finished with the Tekno Conversion

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL363.../377424328.jpg

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL363.../377424337.jpg

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL363.../377424340.jpg

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL363.../377424345.jpg

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL363.../377424353.jpg

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL363.../377424362.jpg

Also tested my recently repaired RX8 with this setup and it works great, even after a few batt's...:na:

Cain 11.06.2009 05:38 PM

are those 6.5mm bullets on the motor connection?

BrushlessRacer 11.06.2009 05:51 PM

Yes they are!

Just a test if they will hold on.

mihael 11.10.2009 04:44 AM

hi there

now i drive my mugen with 50k 10k 30k in the diffs. ist the fastest set up i have ever tried without loosing steering

steering is much more then before.
no mather if on a loose or an a high grip track
mihael

jzemaxx 11.11.2009 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mihael (Post 332118)
hi there

now i drive my mugen with 50k 10k 30k in the diffs. ist the fastest set up i have ever tried without loosing steering

steering is much more then before.
no mather if on a loose or an a high grip track
mihael

Wow that is thick oil. I am trying 10 10 2 this weekend to see if I get the results I'm looking for.

mihael 11.12.2009 03:33 AM

our gemran master drives these oils on his mugen an other peopless too on their jammins. its no mather if the track is loose or with more grip.

jzemaxx 11.15.2009 12:31 PM

Mike, does the kit for the 6T work on the 6 buggy as well? I just got the buggy.

RC-Monster Mike 11.15.2009 01:47 PM

We have a 6B kit listed as well - same basic kit, but a different battery tray fitted to the buggy. :)

jzemaxx 11.15.2009 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 333287)
We have a 6B kit listed as well - same basic kit, but a different battery tray fitted to the buggy. :)

Good. Be ordering tomm morning. Hopefully they are in stock :mdr:

jzemaxx 11.16.2009 02:18 PM

Just ordered....thanks!!!

mihael 11.18.2009 05:33 AM

hi there

i am building my second mbx6t brsuhless truggy. so i will tkae rc monster parts again i like the balance and the leightwight compare to the tekno kit

so my quation

woul the rc monster battery tray from the mbx6 buggy fit to the mbx6t truggy? i do neo need a big batterie tray, 140mm are more then enough for my lipos.

mihael

RC-Monster Mike 11.18.2009 11:25 AM

The buggy tray won't fit the truggy directly - the holes are slightly different. The truggy tray is significantly larger, but you can use the extra size to tune front/rear weight bias with a smaller pack. I line my trays with a thin foam(for traction and padding), which allows the battery to stay put during the run. Some use a small amount of velcro on the battery and tray to add positioning security. :)

mihael 11.18.2009 12:19 PM

ok thank you

if i drill new hiles, the buggy tray will fit?

Mihael

RC-Monster Mike 11.18.2009 01:21 PM

If you want to, you could make anything fit. The specific issue is the fact that I machine away the excess material under the tray for reduced weight and/or wire routing - so the tray has material where it attaches to its specific vehicle chasis, and no material elsewhere. If you used the rear holes on the buggy tray(same orientation as the truggy tray), you could install it onto the truggy by drilling and countersinking a single hole into the chassis. I also have 2 "prototype" buggy trays that don't have all the aggressive pocketing on the underside - this may allow more positioning oportunities at the expense of an extra ounce of weight. :)

SV6000 12.08.2009 03:03 AM

Mike, will you be doing a dual battery setup for the MBX6t, is an two trays one on each side and the battery in the top left??

RC-Monster Mike 12.08.2009 11:32 AM

I hadn't planned on it, but it is a fairly easy task to do if there is demand for this layout style. The existing motor mount should work fine, so it would only be a matter of making a couple battery trays (could be very easily done already simply by using a pair of our currently available battery trays and spacing the CD for spur clearance).


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