Ok, yeah the outer mounting holes are obviously used in very hi torque apps, and gives you lots of options, outrunners really are the shiz.

And I know the most common use for driving from the stator end is helis, but works great also for like what you did with your outrunner topshaft transmission (really liked that one as well as your DD Revo :yes: )

This is what I meant...

I hope I didn't butcher it too much! :neutral:

Thank you.

I have one of these that I want to do a HV E Revo with, but am waiting on Castle to release a good HV ESC.

8 Pole Heli Motor good for 10S Lipo

http://www.centuryheli.com/products/...&currentid=345

Gear it to the moon. :yes:

I'm really liking what I see, but my first thought was that this would be more feasible with a fifth scale. The size to weight ratio would seem to work more in your favor, at least with the motor choices currently available. I had the same idea actually ZP (sorry) but I was thinking about just going live axle, no diff.

Sikes the cogging issue is not what it was one or two years ago, correct? I know the startup algorithms have been improved quite a bit.

And "8 Pole Heli Motor good for 10S Lipo" I gotta say yikes... sikes!

I know you can pull it off...

What's Nitro, I know what you are saying with the support bearing there, but where do you get bearing that size? I have never seen any such bearing. :neutral:

Sike, I have not bought the motor yet, as I was unsure of which one to get, the HK, or the S model 4035. This flex issue really bothers me as well.



The perfect solution would be a high pole inrunner (12 pole or more), with a large hollow shaft with some sort of outer spline on it to connect to a gearbox (center diff), and one of the output shafts feed through the motor like this. That way, there is no flex issues, you have the cooling of an OUTER stator, the efficiency of an inrunner, and the the motor can be sealed. That is what I would like to see in R/C in the near future... no worrying about gear meshing either.

It's nice to see so much enthusiasm for this.

redshift, I don't understand what you mean by your idea of 'live axle' and no diff. If you mean just an outrunner in the place of a standard motor/diff, then that has been done before. :rules: I think the first time when I had the outrunner idea was back in '05 or something, and I was thinking one motor per wheel, no diffs at all, just 2 smaller outrunners placed at each differential location front and rear. THAT would be the ultimate, but we are years away from that kind of thing.

redshift, do you mean an outrunner at the rear axle, in place of the diff?

Not sure if the dimensions are correct, but they do exist ZPB. :p

http://www.bocabearings.com/main1.as...5&n=MR6806-2RS

Hey Sike I just checked out that century outrunner... YIKES is what I have to say as well. I can't see it holding 30krpm though, that just seems like too much, and it doesn't state how many poles there are.

Yeah, I got the 2 ideas going at once, sorry. And I know the outrunners don't have the nut for that.... yet.

But it seems like if it was to be tried it would work better on a 1/5. I don't think we're quite there yet. I also am tossing around doing either a single outrunner solid center like sike's, or a twin inline setup.

okay, beauty WN (can I call you that?) I figure if it's not the exact size, you can always make an insert for it to fit...

A question for everyone, does Neu have an 8mm shaft high pole motor that could have the shaft hollowed out for the same thing?

There are several places that comfirm it being 8 pole.

Here's one source that you may find useful with other things: :yes:

http://www.progressiverc.com/Brushless_Motor.html

It has 10 Magnets inside the rotating endbell instead of the conventional 14 as with a 12 pole outrunner. So it's a different "8 pole" wind also.

Make me an offer via pm if you're interested. I like to trade as I am in the market for several items of interest.

The motor shown is my own custom wind. If you prefer a factory wind in the 4120 series or the 4130 series, I'm sure I have that on hand as well. In fact, I believe I still have all the custom mounting hardware for the Direct Drive to Diff Revo Conversion.

This offer isn't exclusive to Redshift, but he has first dibs. Must be a reputable RCM Member.

Sorry ZPB, not trying to highjack your thread. I thought you might have interest in this as well. Since it is custom stuff that pertains to what you're doing.

PM only on this please.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...m/DSC07768.jpg

Well thank you sir. And you will have a pm!

I've been looking at this one guys, 400 kv, 8mm shaft http://hobbyking.com/hobbycity/store..._(Eq:_4030_AXi)

What are your thoughts on that on sikes?

Zp I wonder if 1mm wall is enough? Then again going to a motor with a 10mm shaft will bump up the weight and size significantly. Just thinking about 2mm would be better for a hollow shaft.

That's not a bad looking motor. A Much cheaper alternative. When you go cheaper, you make compromises though.

Hmmm.......the hollow shaft idea?

Take a look at the counter rotating double motor setups:

http://www.maxxprod.com/mpi/mpi-266.html

I'm sure we could get a hollow hardened shaft for one of these applications. Tried, tested and true, I'm sure. :yes:

No, 1mm prob isn't enough, but 1.5mm should do it, after all this is high carbon steel we are talking about here.

A 4.8mm shaft should do it to give a little tolerance play in the hollow shaft, me thinks?

If I stick with an outrunner, I will probably go with the Scorpion motors, I don't like to go cheap, I have learn my lesson after a Feigao motor...

Sike, what does the contra motor have to do with this? :lol::rules: j/k Good idea for the plane guys though!


I just emailed Neu Motors about making a special motor, so we shall see if they can make something, and if it's even feasible. I should just get Neu to custom make a special motor/gear box into one unit (replaceable gears obviously) and sell it under my own company. :mdr:

"Take a look at the counter rotating double motor setups:"

That was a bad, bad thing you just did lol.

ZP, yeah you would want to buy some hardened 8mm with the 6mm bore already there, not sure either where you'd find... but I'm sure it's available.

Another thing for the fifthers here (fitherz?) Ryu, aqwut and others, hows about an outrunner trannyless? I think what's nitro posted this some time ago- http://hobbyking.com/hobbycity/store...me=Turnigy_80-

7000 watts oughtta do pretty good, there's a 130kv and a 180kv.... for $150!

You know someones gotta do it :whistle:

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Sike, what does the contra motor have to do with this? :lol::rules: j/k Good idea for the plane guys though!

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The Contra Motors have alot to do with this.

In the area of diff cup flex!

Use a hollow hardened shaft from one of the Contra Motors, cut it off flush with end of the rotating endbell, then bolt on your diff cup.

This would support the endbell properly, eliminating flexing pressures from the cup. It would be hollow to allow your center drive shaft to go right back up through to the other end of the motor.

Make Sense?

How was that a bad thing? :lol:

I've been fascinated with outrunners for a long time now. There are lots of different designs.

ZP "I have learn my lesson after a Feigao motor..."

Aw.. hey I've been running a 9XL since August last year! They just need lots and lots of cold air lol... the F's are a dying breed for sure though.

I agree 1.5mm would do. Looks like a worthy endeavor...

I guess I'm just a little disappointed your project doesn't involve a Tesla Coil or a Faraday Cage or something:wink: