That is the 1406, not the 1410 that is included with the Sidewinder SCT combo. Same internal design and components, different length motor. We had to price them a bit higher than the current 36mm 2 pole slotted motors (MAP is $85.99) for standard 1/10th applications. You could use the 1410 in a regular 1/10th, but with only one kv option, your choices are limited and the motor is a bit torquey for a standard 1/10th.

Thomas Porfert
Castle Tech Support

Is the 1410 going to be available as a standalone motor and any idea on MAP?

Yes it will. Just not sure on when and how much as of right now. As soon as we have any more details, we'll get it posted as soon as possible.

Thomas Porfert
Castle Tech Support

So I have bought the combo for my Slash 4x4.3s I take it is ok?BTW how many amps is the SC Sidewinder rated for?

No IIRC they say its only good for 2s on slash 4x4 and that it has slightly less power handling than the orginal MM but better thermal protection.

Will this set be enough to properly push a SCRT10 on 2S around?
I know it is supposed to work in a Slash 4x4, but the SCRT10 is a bit heavier then the Slash.

I would say yes...

So yes 3s is ok... in something like a rustler... I will.:yes:

Yeah, can I put this in a rustler or 2wd slash on 3s?

Not really intended for 3s on the 2wd slash. ESC temps will get a little high along with motor temps. You would be very limited on gearing and may have to keep the run times under 5 minutes. The safest setup for a 3s on a 2wd Slash would be the soon to be released 1415/1Y 2400kv motor. With the extra length it will produce significantly more torque, handle higher wattage and increase efficiency. Much much lower motor temps and a lot more gearing options. You would need to run the Mamba Max or Mamba Max Pro.

Thomas Porfert
Castle Tech Support

I Realize you work for CC but I still think the motor will handle the 3s in a rustler or 2wd slash just fine. Considering the weak 2 pole VXL motor pushes my Full Aluminum Rustler with masher 2k's. Maybe the Speedo will run a bit warm but I dont see the motor needing cool down every 5 minutes

I have this system on the way. Since this motor has so much torque I'm wondering if it is going to present a problem for those of us running 2wd.

Does this ESC have a torque control setting?

If not, can torque control be added to to the firmware?

If torque control was available, could you set it up so that when Torque Control is enabled via Castle Link Software:
A) "Punch Control" is disabled
AND
B) Field Link could use the Punch Control adjustment to adjust the Torque Control?

Thanks,


Chris

OK, I downloaded the Castle Link software and it looks like Torque Control is available on the Sidewinders. It would be cool to be able to adjust it with the field link card in place of Punch control.

So the 1406 on 3s in a Rustler is a bad idea? I know my 1506 is a bit larger and likely more powerful but it motivates my Rustler with serious authority geared 15/56 and doesn't even hint at getting warm on 2s with ESC temps reaching as high as 110 degrees (GASP!). Running 3s my motor gets up to 160ish in the Summer and if I am really pushing it I can possibly thermal my MM but only after running the crap out of it for a good 30-40 minutes--if I stick to 1 battery or give it a short break between batteries I can run through 2 packs without heat issues. With the blower on the 1406 and being run somewhat intelligently I'd think it would be OK.

How are these 1410 motors compared to the say 1515 efficiency wise.

Whoa dude, btfu. Do you understand how much of a privilege it is to have the OWNER and CHIEF ENGINEER of Castle Creation Inc. comment on our forums? Please do not argue with anybody from Castle. Their word is gospel. All we ask is that you listen to their word as you would the word of God. Thank you. Seriously. Respect man.

It's a liability thing. They CANT say it's 3s capable, or they're liable for all 3s applications. Between you and I and the RCM family, yes, it is 3s capable. As far as Castle is concermed it is only 2s capable.

This motor is not anywhere near a 1515 powerwise and should not be considered for a 1515 replacement or alternative. That being said, all castle and neu motors are 90+% efficient and efficiency wise is quite comparitive or similar.

Honnestly guys 2s is plenty. I myself have always ran 3s in my 4x4 slash but since switching to the 4 pole 1406 I have found 2s is more than sufficient. I posted a while back on it and have another full race night on the setup. It really is amazing how much power this tiny motor makes. My truck is every bit as fast if not faster with the 2s 1406 setup than it was with a 3s 550. More noticably it is not as violent under heavy throttle input with the gearing I run. It has helped keep my lap times very consistant by not blowing out with excess power that can't be put down. I only race with my rigs so no bashing, I could see where excess power would be fun for that but I will have to agree with the cc crew. 2400 kv 1415 is going to be the best 3s motor for most. Not to say it can't be done with the other shorter higher kv cans, but the guys at cc know what time it is. That's quite alot of rpm and you had better be spot on with the gearing or bad things will happen and no one wants that. My guess is most will run it on 2s first and find out what I did. Dude these motors got serious rip throw a 2s at her with good gearing and watch your ride fly.

I raced with the 1410 3800kv in my MMP sc10 this last weekend in the open 2wd. It was a blast pulling away from the crowd down the straight. I ran a 3s 3000mah through it after the races with the same gearing and the motor temp shot all the way up to 130*F :mdr:. Thanks Castle for another great product,TQ and the win!

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What motors was "the croud" running?

ROFL!!!

Seriously dude... :lol:

The SCT would be fine in a 3S Rustler type setup AS LONG AS the gearing was setup appropriately.

That's the important thing -- gear it right.

Why some people STILL don't get this is beyond me...

I don't know? That would be a useful bit of info. I would say 10.5's or so, nothing 4-pole, yet.:party:

You don't need a 4-pole to pull away from 10.5's, any cm36 would easly outpower them.

I destroyed a Rustler trans with the 1410 on 2S in less than half a battery pack (still had plastic diff gear). I can't imagine what 3S, geared right, would do to the trans. Maybe a mushroom cloud?:oh:

Hey Patrick...can we get some specs on the sidewinder sct esc? Thx!

He said earlier in the thread that it is very close to the original Mamba Max. The MM was rated at 100 amps continuous. He has also said that it can handle 3s with some care.

How many minutes did you ran?(With the 3s battery)

About ten minutes.

I need some help here : http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28499

Could you make any video with the 2s and the 3s battery?
Also,what gearing did you had?(Top speed?)

I finally got around to installing mine this week in my Slash 4x4.

I had to re solder some 4mm bullets to the MMP, I sold the Sidewinder ESC at the track Saturday, so I never ran it with that ESC.

I started off with the gearing at 15/54
Start Power Medium
High timing
100% max fwd

Turnigy 5200mah, 30c 2s

WOW!!
This thing rips!
Way more balls off the bottom than the Velineon with the same gearing and ESC settings, had no trouble pulling the wheels up from dead stops or a slow roll...
ran about 15-20 minutes on the street in front of my house, few trips through mine and the neighbors yard chasing curious cats.
Motor temps at 119 and esc at 109, ambient temps around 70's

So...
I took it back to the lab, threw my 19t pinion in it, jacked the timing up to highest, and start power to high,
grabbed a fresh battery ( same specs) and then zip tied my GPS to it for a speed run.

These are the same specs I used with a 3200mah 3s battery to get 61.9 before on my Velineon, this setup on a 2s I got 49.8!

I cant wait to get the Deans connector soldered on my 3s, I used to use TRX connectors on everything, im in the process of getting all my batts switched over.

I think i'll break 70 with the 3s,
I wont get to run it on the track this weekend, as I have to work, but I should be able to get it out there sometime next week.

Bottom line, go buy one!
Throw the Velineon setup on eBay and buy this already!

Just remember this system not rated or intended to run in a 4x4 short course on 3s. Doing so runs the risk of burning up the motor and voiding the warranty. Please do so at your own risk. If you decide to go this route, just keep the run times short and keep a very close on the motor temps. Set the timing advance to lowest, start with a conservative gear ratio and run some torque limit to minimize amp draw and heat. Good luck, and glad to hear you like it!

Thomas Porfert
Castle Tech Support.

So, would it be safe to assume that the new Short Course Motor will be the one to use with 3s in a 4x4 SC?
I'll just keep this one on 2s for now...
Keep up the good work!

No the SCT motor is 2s in a 4x4 - They are saying use the 1415/12 IIRC for 3S.

I should've clairified, I meant the new motors, which I believe are the 1415/12 you mentioned.
Not the one that comes in the Sidewinder SCT Combo

Finally got to the track today, ran about 6 packs through it and it was awesome!
No trouble clearing a double to table top, plenty of straight away speed.
My handling was off a bit though, as I had a 2650 in it before, but once I made a few changes it was great.
After each pack I temp'd it 130-140.
I had it geared 15-50 running the center diff and Proline Caliber M4's
Great job CC!!!

Edit: I was geared 16/50

anyone having problems with this motor esc combo ?

heres my problem : (copied and posted this to a couple of places)

so i went out and bought one and put it in my hpi mini trophy. i ran it the 1st pack geared 14/87. truck was slow and every once in awhile it would cog and make a squeal noise and not move. i would have to get completely off the throttle to get it to go again. temps never got hot.could hold my finger on the motor for 10 + seconds.

so today i geared up 3 teeth. truck was faster but not omg faster.then it started doing the same thing, squealing noise and then i would have to get off the throttle to get it to go again. so after 5 minutes the truck stopped, no power, just steering. the esc thermaled and the motor was hot but i could still touch it (didnt temp it as i ran my other truck)...after the esc cooled i ran it again and it made the same noise but this time nothing got hot. i temped the motor after 4 minutes and it was 120.

i have to call castle to see whats going on, im not sure what that noise is. sounded like a seized bearing but this is only two runs, not even complete runs.

any one have nay ideas ?

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i talked to castle today and the tech said sounded like something was wrong with the motor. he told me they would send one out to me or if the local shop had another in stock they would send it to them so i didnt have to wait if the shop was ok with that and they were.

ill get this one in the truck and give it a whirl.

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well i got it together and went out today. 17/87 and it never got hot to where i couldnt touch it for more then 2-3 seconds and when i did temp it it never was above 120 degeress(motor) .the problem i have with temping mine is it takes so long to get the duratrax temp gauge in a place to read the motor temp it starts to cool down.with the cage and body its pia. so for now i am using the "touch" method.iam also not running the fan as there really is no room.(hpi mini trophey)

now for that noise...the squeal or chatter... i did hear it with this motor too but only twice and not as bad.

truck was faster with the same set up, gearing and battery just different systems (both cc sidewinder sc systems) so there was something wrong with the 1st one for sure...the second one with the same noise ? idk is this noise normal ?, is it a cogging noise ?(none like i heard before, coggin is usually a stuttering and a low ringing noise.this is a squeal.

on the truck i did notice the rear bearing on the gear box, the one that sits in the aluminum and is held in place by the top gear cover(its on the shaft with the spur and slipper) looks like it is spinning in the case, like the case isnt tight enough. the bearing isnt seized and i dont see how this can cause the truck to stop..

idk, its got me scratching my head. what your guys thoughts ?

Patric,
can you say a few words about timing guidelines for these 4 pole motors?
For example, how many degrees of timing will give maximal efficiancy?

Exactly right, the 1415/1Y that will be matched with a Mamba Max Pro is designed for 3 or 4s on a 4x4 Short course. More details will be available shortly, still waiting on the motors to come in from China. Expect them sometime before the end of the year.

Thomas Porfert
Tech Support
Castle Creations

RE: 1415/1Y
Is that production quantities coming in before year end, or test units?