How do you think these Motors will perform in a converted Ten-T? I'm currently running the MMM 2200kv combo on 4s and looking for similar power without the weight.

Seeing the Magic 1.0's allready:gasp:

whoooaaa!?!?!?! ran out of brake on the dyno? awesome! what voltage was this at? these new motors make some serious power in a 1/10 scale size package! I ran a few high speed passes with the 4600 today on 2s with the watt meter and was impressed to say the least. highest amp draw was 100 amps and peak watts was just shy of 760 watts!!! under this load it recorded the voltage droped to about 7.5 volts. dont know how incredibly accurate this turnigy meter is but it works well enough to get a real good idea of whats happening. great power output! next time i go to the track i will try it again in a race situation and then again with 3s to see what she does.

That would be nice. I just want to be able to go into solid 1.2s with something other than the Neu 1110/1D which is only legal in Extreme.

This bit of news about the 1406 is amazing to say the least. When I read PDC's post about the available motor selection, I almost had an accident in my pants, front side :oh:.... :rofl:

Patrick,

A while pack you posted some technical info on why the 15 series motors were slotted (lots of torque for heavy vehicles) and the CM36 (and CM20) were unslotted. I can't find the post right now or I would link to it.

I'm not complaining (the 1406 motors sound awesome and I already have a 1410 combo on order:yes:) but I'm curious why the change of heart regarding building a slotted motor in the 36MMX56MM size?

Is is just that we are wanting to run heavier cars with 36MM size motors?

2nd post down: http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14381

Pretty much -- cars are getting heavier and heavier, so more torque is necessary to keep pushing 'em to higher and higher speeds and acceleration.

While slotless motors rev faster, have less inductance (so respond faster) 4 pole motors have much more torque -- and with some of the software changes we've made to run the big 4 pole motors well (like the 1515) the differences between the motor designs have become smaller.

Note that I was talking about "light" 1/10th scale vehicles in that post -- but the trend recently have been to heavier, more robust 1/10th scale cars.

Also -- please note that we haven't discontinued the CM36 motors -- they will still be available. So, what we recommend is that for lightweight 1/10th scale vehicles where maximum acceleration is the most important aspect, the CM36 slotless motors are still best. For heavier cars, the 1406 four pole motors will be superior.

Thanks!

Patrick

Thank you, Patrick.

more awesome products.... like already said a sensored version of these babies would be the icing on the cake, and one below 2000kv would be the best brushless crawler motor ever.

Icing on the cake for us and an unfair advantage(the best kind!) over others who still think the green stuff is for bashing!

I remember this happening thick and heavy only a couple of years ago :rules: Brings a tear to my eye... how things have changed now :whip: :rofl:

Isn't it great?! I felt like the proverbial fox in the henhouse the other night at the track. When my buddies at the pit table saw I had this "puny castle motor" in my rig and I was running an uncharictoristic 2s they all laghed and asked if max power had gone soft! After the first qual I was the one laughing when I was hit with a million questions about what they all thought was a cm-36 motor and how the he'll was it so fast and not melting a hole in my rig.

^:lol:
That'll teach em :whip:
Sounds like a great motor.

Thats a good story, they never knew what hit them

So what is the motor Watts rating? And is there a 5mm rotor option?

1.21 jigawatts!

:lol: I would hate to see when you hit 85mph it will just be 2 flameing tracks and rc car will be gone.

Umm, that's 88 mph. :smile:

But thats only with the additional Flux Capacitor addition.

Awwwww crap I cant believe I put 85 I have only seen them about 50 times each .

my guess is 1000 watts pretty easily. mine was doin 750 pretty easily on 2s with mild gearing. but i guess we will have to wait for an official answer..

I don't know if we've run the numbers on these yet, but I'm guessing they are ~400-450 watts continuous, and ~800-900 watts surge. Looking at the specs on a Neu 1509, it is rated at 500 continuous and 1000 surge. So I doubt a shorter and smaller diameter motor can handle more power. Pat may have some data to back this up, as I am just assuming based on the 1509 specs.

Thomas Porfert
Castle Tech Support

Just claim 110% efficiency and 1000w looks pretty reasonable to me. :smile:

When can we buy these?I have a Slash that would love one of these.

Plenty o power! Thanks for the info. The 750 I got was just a max surge for the run. Close to enough to a 1509 With better wires and a castle price! I would say that in order to reach 110% efficiency they would need some flames on the can though....

When you guys say "~400-450 watts continuous", what does that mean?

a) You can run them with enough load so that they are putting out 400-450 watts for "X" minutes [fill in "X"]

b) You can run them with enough load so that they are putting out 400-450 watts until you dump the typical 5000-6000 mAHr 2S LiPo battery that fits in a 1/10th scale RC car at which point the motor is almost toasted

c) If you had a 6 ounce miniature nuclear reactor that fit in an RC car and put out 8.4V at 65 amps and would run 2 years between refueling, you could run it at the max load of the reactor (figuring 85% efficiency on the motor), stopping only to lubricate the bearings if/when needed, until the reactor needed refueling 2 years from the date you started the test (anyone remember the IB Infineon PDF sheet (joke) from a few years ago?)

d) [you fill in this alternative]

I'm just trying to get a feel for how long "continuous" is supposed to mean and under what conditions of temperature and cooling/heat sinking.

Also, how long can it run at the "surge" rating?

Well since I am not a sponsored driver , when can we buy them and how much $ unless I can get sponsored LOL.

On the nue web site the 1509 is rated at 750 watts continues and the 1506 is rated at 500 continues both surge double that. Are these motors based of the nue 1400 series?

My opinion is that we can't speak of continuous or surge watts for driving application... The setup you are driving requires a certain amount of power, and this amount fluctuates a lot.
For example if you put a 1509 in a 8 scale buggy it will consumme (approximately) the same watts than a 1520 in the same vehicle (geared for the same speed).
The watts given by NEU specs are IMO for air or boat application, where the current are pretty continuous and constantly heavy...
All this to say that, only the temperature of your motor (and not a number of watts written on the motor) defines its limits, if your motor get too hot and risk heat damage, that's mean you are pushing it to hard... Same thing for the ESC ^^

My motivation is efficiency, i know with some new products, they are making them more durable with thicker or denser materials. But i'm after efficiency, I love my stadium trucks, light, agile and very quick. Any motor will make them fast, even Novak, But i want cooler running and longer runtimes. If the 1406/4600 can pull a Slash 4x4 without problems, the 1410/3800 can pull my T4 all day without any trouble. With the 1406/4600 being as strong as it is, I believe the 1415/2400 might be a good 1/8 buggy/ 1/10 truggy motor on 3s. lipo


Hey Patrick, Will there be some smaller motors for the mini classes?

I understand that. I know from testing that I average 14 amps during a race running my Neu 1512 on 4S in my 1/8th scale buggy, for an average power consumption of 210 watts (far less than even the continuous rating of the Neu, let alone the peak). That's why the motor never gets over 130F.

I'm trying to find out what Castle means by a 400 watt rating. It is obviously not as simple as an average watts over 10 or 20 minutes, or that would say I could use a 1406 to power my 1/8th scale buggy which only uses 210 watts. I think we are all pretty sure that is not a reasonable scenario.

I was just pointing out that the nue 1509 is rated at 750 watts not 500 like the 1506 is. I think it is great to see castle building better motors for the 1/10 scale cars. Have not been happy with any of the 2 pole 1/10 scale motors thats why I run the medusa 3650 in all my 1/10 scale cars.

The answer is b, but with less motor heat... At the end of a 5000mah run, the motor should be at about 80C. Well within reasonable heat limits. Usually with a good setup, you should be able to run about 10000mah without putting the motor in any jeopardy...

Castle sent me a 1406-7700Kv to test Monday and decided to house it in my TF Funny Car. Was going to and test it this weekend, but work and rain kept me from following through. So the next chance I get will be at the Lonestar Nationals at Autorama 2010 in Houston. Will report to Patrick right after.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...40240Small.jpg

The best ET so far on this Funny Car has been 1.46 with 2-pole motors and I expect to see a lot of improvements there with the 1406-7700.

In case you're wondering, those are 8mm bullets on the ESC :intello: So far, they've helped me get a 1.320 pass in my TF Dragster.

:O

what batteries are you using to power that beast!!

My default is a 3S 40C/80C 4200mAH Thunder Power pack, but something tells me that I should be able to get away with a 40C/8C 5000mAH pack with this motor if the track can hold the power.

Edit: FYI, here's all the batteries I get to play with at any given race (their's another 3S 4200 40C pack in my dragster that I didn't take out for the photo). I run three classes if possible so I need to have these options for best results.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...40242Small.jpg

Wow dude sweet rig! Like the cf sticker on the motor can! Can't wait to see how this 4 poler whips your funny car down the track. I've raced with my 1406 4600 a couple more times since my last post and it totally dominates on the track. Currently set up for 3s but I haven't had a chance to run it yet cause we just had my baby boy on Thursday. Will get a vid up of some testing.

Thanks Slim. I like my rigs neat, helps between rounds when fine tuning.

David M has a 1406-7700Kv in his dragster and he says it's very smooth which will work well in a short wheelbase car. I expect the Funny Car to be very manageable and fast. David had a best ET of 1.38 in his dragster with it, so I imaging that should also be possible with my Funny Car.

And congrats on the baby!

Coolbeans Sunny. I'm going to try to make it Saturday at the autorama and check your ride out, along with Jason's and his brother carbon fiber rails.

Thnx Sunny good luck with your new mill! Hopefully you can best the 1.38 4 pole style! Let us know how it turns out. On a side note got any use for a new style cm36 9000? Had it nib for a while with nothing to run it in. You seem to like to go fast or maybee sombody you know?