I'd be interested to see how long the rotor lasts. Reminds me of the first Traxxas VXL Motors, they had a habit of cracking rotors too.

You could probably do a carbon or kevlar wrap without too much hassle. You can get the kevlar thread online and then just need some dope or epoxy to affix it to the rotor. As long as you make sure there is enough clearance for the extra thickness of the thread.

And you have to make sure the rotor is still balanced. I imagine even a teeny tiny bit of imbalance could cause "issues" at 30k+ rpm.

Personally, if I were running a business of similar caliber to RCM, I would just refuse to ship to China. It really wouldn't surprise me if they buy stuff just to reverse engineer it over there and make their own. Don't ship to China, and now it's just a bit harder for them to get their hands on such products.

what the hell do you think castle invented brush less motor and ESC they have been around for more than 50 yrs now....and you dont think USA still crap from other places and do the same thing ever heard of the VCR, walkman and DVD playes do your history before you all start ripping into china and other places like it........i love the USA but i don't have a bighead about it products

Just picked up one of these speedies to test so will do a review, initial thought is it's fairly big tho. To keep it fair, and at the same price point as the MMP (for my comparison) I bought two, so one is NIP as a spare.

On a side note, it has no trouble powering my LED's that the MMP simply refused to, and it too has a Switching BEC.


...China ESC 1, Castle 0.

It would only make it only somewhat "slightly" (Very slightly) harder for the cloners to get their hands on them. People sell used/new stuff on ebay, and you can't make all of them refuse to ship to China as well. It would be pointless for a business to refuse to ship to China. It would just lose money I imagine.

Pretty stupid comment... you are comparing the BEC (stolen from the Mamba Monster design) to the BEC on the Mamba Pro. They are different circuits, with different capability. I'm sure if you tried your LEDs on a Mamba Monster, they would work EXACTLY the same as the BEC on this cloned and stolen design.

Patrick

BTW -- this "clone" has a copy of the V2 MMM BEC circuit. So beware.

Also, they are using NTMFS4833 MOSFETs, which are cheap, but are much less capable than the NTMFS4901 MOSFETs used by Castle.

And yes, I am in a pissy mood. :whip::whip::whip::whip: :lol:

Pat, go get yourself a nice coffee and donut/bagel. Better yet, send an employee out to get them since it's probably snowing as much if not more than it is here a couple hours north of you. :smile:

What is it about the 4833 that makes them less capable? IIRC, a while back you mentioned something about switching losses but not sure.

Well, a couple of things.

The 4833 has a poor gate-drain/gate-source charge ratio. This means they can't be switched very hard without shoot-through. This also means they ring more, which causes more switching losses.

They also have about 30% higher RDSon, which means higher i^2R losses. (1.5 millohms for the 4901, 2.0 milliohm for the 4833)

So, in short, they run much hotter at the same current than the 4901. But they are quite a bit cheaper, and more available.

I love it, and you wonder why it costs less. Stolen r and d and crummy componets sounds like china stuff to me. Who needs headlights on their RC at the track anywho? Buy it right and buy it once it's cc for me!

I think I remember some of that when we were talking about the 4933 the MMPro was using.

I believe Tekin still uses the 4833 in their RX8 ESC. I have only one of those ESCs in a smallish vehicle (Losi Ten-T) so it's not working hard enough to judge it properly, but I've been running without the fan forever and it never gets warm. This makes me want to try it in my XT8 truggy to see if it heats up any more than the MMM I'm using, just for giggles.

Yes - -the 4901 is a 4933 that has been customized for Castle. The 4933 is the "next generation" FET from Onsemi that fixed a lot of the issues with the 4833. -- and it's lower RDSon

The way I see these clones they need to be cheaper so I can just throw them away when they crap out. That is what they are, throw aways. No customer support and certainly no CC style warranty.

I will stick to CC cause their stuff works, they have great customer service, and Pdel is one of us!!!!

Well Said! :yes:

i know castle loves getting their balls stroked here...........lol i am a fan of what works and does not break the bank and yes i do have castle motor and escs

I am very happy with my MMM. They are very reliable and recommendable.
Buy a Chinese combo failure. Is on the way to the warranty. I hope to have answers from the manufacturer.
Here where I live, there are no representatives of Castle. It is difficult to access the products in Argentina.
My combo MMM I imported it, but I pay $ 440 (crazy).
The Chinese combo comes to my house for $ 150. (early failure).
I always like to buy Castle. I hope that someone representing the brand in my country. It is becoming quite popular electric cars here.
Greetings.

Least he has some; from all your posts, you seem like a Castle hating troll who cant back up any of your silly claims and statements so just goes quiet instead when people rubbish what you have said.

i don't get buying the esc clones. Castle has the best warranty available.

imo the warranty is worth the extra few bucks and the customer service.

for your info my hobbywing setup in my 8th scale on road has been clocked at 92 mph ......so bite me

well my ezrun 9t has been clocked at 120...

:|

dont claim a speed without a video to back it up... just makes you look like a little kid in a park....

I took the bait and ordered on of thoes leopard 540 4 poles... only to have it arrive and turn out to be a 2 pole... the shop refunded quickly... but if a manufacturer cant even list its motors correctly god help them....

Service is what we pay for... service is what we get...

the xerun setup is practically the same price as the castle... why would you cheap out?

only problem with living in the uk is too many people and not enough MMM's to go around... any idea when more are shipping to the distributor?

3 died at the last bash (all in one car, killed 2 before we realised the motor was causing it :S)

this has lost all the fun out of it.....my brand is better than yours i really don't care anymore...i don't make a living running rc cars i do it because i love it always has and always will...not here too get any company any richer than they are......

Ignorance is bliss I guess. If speed is the way you judge quality look at what esc Nick case runs. Doesn't make sense though you can gear up with any setup. Everyone is entitled to run what they want/like but don't bash cc here dude. They have been a fixture on this forum providing direct support to their customers. Let's see your company do that, oh wait they already have your money so their done with you. Sorry dude facts are facts cc is the best hands down for alot of reasons.

Intellectual property theft is SOP in China.

Obviously I have stirred up a hornets nest here, to be clear, I have used heaps of Castle ESC's , I had an E-Savage with a Medusa 36-60-3300 motor and Mamba Max ESC on 3s Lipo, No BEC, and that was the most solid truck, 3 yrs on it's still chiming away flawlessly. I have been vocal about issues I have had with MMM, MMP and Sidewinder SCT speedies, but a lot of that is frustration, the 3900kv Motor I have in my SCRT10 (Shortcourse motor) is a beast, brilliant item. However I don't believe in "blind love" either, if I have an esc with an issue, I'll say so, obviously sometimes a tad too bluntly.

Anyway, hooked up this Toro copy esc, it's big, go to calibrate it, identical calibration sequence to the Castle products (sus?) unlike Castle ESC's where you can adjust the neutral range when some radios won't calibrate, this doesn't, so that gremlin has been copied over as well. It will calibrate with my 4PL, but not my DX3R, and no way to get around it either. At this stage, I'll call this ESC a Castle Clone despite the different body etc. Capability wise, I think it may land short of the MMP, but the large case makes it bigger than the MMM so it's hard to position in the car.

Will be running it in my Hyper 10SC with a Leopard 36-65-2100kv motor on 4s Lipo, so will do back to back tests with this ESC and the MMP both with and without a BEC. Will be focusing on Amp draw and Durability (lots of heavy starts and stops)

Progress Score:

Castle MMP 1, China ESC, 1

Tried these on the bench last night, no BEC, both seemed fine on 2s Lipo, the Toro clone struggled on 4s Lipo though wheras the MMP performed the same. Anyone running either ESC with a strong servo (ie DS1015, SC1267MG etc) really needs an external BEC, but as far as the internal BEC, it seems the MMP is more reliable.

Castle MMP 2, China ESC 1

Wow, a thread with fastbaja bashing on cc, like we haven't seen that before.......

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Sorry, you can't compare a company that clones others work, doesn't back their product, and has no passion for the hobby against one who does. It's stupid, period. Not to mention Mike doesn't sell any of this crap on here which should tell you something too.

Why are we even giving any credit to these thieves, other than to point out they are thieves and liars who cheaped-out and crapified (Chinafied IOW) a great, innovative and original American product?

I know fastbaja isn't American, but I don't really care how good or bad it is (nice to see they f'd it up tho) because its a stolen design made by thieves. If you buy it, you are supporting theivery. Doesn't excuse it no matter how cheap or good it is.

Hey Americans do the same thing as well. Stealing each other designs. Here at work we call it competitive analysis.

Performance of Toro 1/8 Combo
 

Hi,

Anyone try this combo and how about the performance ?

Thanks

Hmmm...........I wonder if this rotor would work for a Pletty?

I do have a pletty that needs a rotor.


Edit! Ooops nevermind! Plettys are 4 pole motors. Won't work.

Yea the Pletty has 12 magnets on the rotor.

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With conductings :)

Probably pair of paths hasn't held.

http://www.offroad-cult.org/Board/to...,start,30.html
http://s51.radikal.ru/i134/1102/c0/fc9e98a3ec26.jpg
http://forum.rcdesign.ru/f71/thread210667-6.html

Also I wait the Track star has got stuck on post.

I just fitted a couple of these to two of my friends RC. In fact they both went into XTM Rails. As I started reading the instructions before I fitted the first one I almost fell off the chair laughing my ass off. You know what, you can just read the Castle instructions instead as they are pretty much the same thing. Also this ESC can run brushed motors and the two wiring options for that are exactly the same as they are for the MMM.

Anyway me being me and always curious I took the first ESC apart to have a looksy inside. Lucky I did. There was a loose piece of solder in there and if it went anywhere near the board while powered on it could have been disastrous. That pretty much tells you at what kind of quality you are dealing with and total absence of QC. Also some of the tracks on the boards looked a little iffy. To me they looked like they were thinner in some places. Not sure if you guys get what I mean?

Anyway calibrated it as per Castle instructions :lol: and then it was ready to go. Put my friends Rail on the ground and gave it a slight throttle and it rolled away smoothly. It even has the same excellent low throttle speed that you get from the MMM. Also the throttle feels very smooth. Much better than most China made ESCs. Everything about this ESC screams MMM except the build quality. I mean they are still running fine a week later in both cars but it's plain to see that it's only due to them ripping off a good design.

What is worth mentioning is that while MMMs fan is thermostatically controlled the one on this ESC is always on. Just thought I would throw that in there.

What was interesting to note is the BEC. With a powerful servo, two fans on the motor, one fan on the ESC and 8 LEDs it still functioned properly. Pretty good in that regard.

I have to say that while the two knock offs are working fine it's hard to recommend them or even give them a good review. They are based on someone else intellectual property so if anything kudos to Castle for making such a good product that others have tried to copy. If you want to use one then go for it but just remember that it is a throw away if something was to happen to it.

"Japan/Korea/Taiwan copies of everything", that's not true either.. :intello: I would agree with China.
But, as the saying goes, "You get what you pay for".

Just threw one of these in my Summit over the weekend, not the smoothest on low speed (using a Leopard 36-65-2100kv 4 Pole motor), was expecting that though, I figure the motor would struggle pushing a heavy Summit around but it didn't, no temps over 50c anywhere so that was a good thing. Did have some servo glitching but as I changed from the TRX radio to my 4pl at the same time, and it could have been the 2075 Traxxas servos deciding to give out at that time, note to self, don't attempt full speed with locked diffs in 2nd gear! Keeping an eye on it, but ripped the Traxxas servos out in favour of a single MG996 which seems to push it around ok. Will need to do more testing and keep an eye on it, may need an external BEC (unlike Big Block, I found the internal BEC to be weaker than that on the EVX2) , Lipo LVC worked a treat though. So right now, it's still testing, intention is to upgrade the steering, and maybe motor if required, as well as put in an external BEC if it's needed.

at reno911
thats a bull shit statement about hobbywing stuff i have there stuff and never had a problem with any of them i seen friends burn up castle esc's and motors.

:) I have seen numerous hobbywing stuff burns... And no warranty... My friend have sent them his ESC under warranty and then he gets replay that it is not warranty case and he should pay for repair and shipping. So what?

If you love HW, use it. If someone likes CC or Tekin they use them.

Bear in mind - CC or Tekin always will be one or two steps ahead of clones and copies. So if you are in competition with your clone or copy - you are one or two seconds behind :).

If you are basher - that is different story. Use what ever suits you :).

Peace!