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LOK AT THE PIC! it looks like tis charging that way, is that the way it should be?

OK I'LL LOK AT THE PIC! lol...Anyway, how many did you order? 1 or 2? If one, you need to make an adapter to balance them both at the same time or just charge both to about 90% capacity and then do them individually to 100% with the balancer (if you need 100% capacity). If two, then just charge the packs through the Deans with the charge and hook the taps of the batteries up to the balancers and don't worry about the input. That balancer is made to charge/balance inline. Or, since you will only be charge at 2.5 amps, simply charge both packs at the same time using a Y adapter on the charger going into the two balancers (if you got two like you implied) and then the taps of the batteries going into each charger so they are being charged at the same time but being balanced by 2 difference balancers. Understand? Basically just tell me whether you have 1 or 2 balancers...

i have one ballencer, though do i CHARGE teh way they do in teh pic? with teh charge wire from apache, connecitn to balencer?

IS THAT the way i should charge? Also, the pins never lined up so i moved it so it does, but now it says "ERROR CHARGE" on the apache

or is it supposte to be setup up like this, or this

PLEASE SOME1 HELP! i have a race tom and i need these packs running! it teh only race i will be in for teh whole year!!

SERUM! SQUEE! i see u there

Ok..First off, CHILL. You CAN just charge them to like 85% capacity together and then just finish the charge individually with the balancer...Move the pins back were they were and take another picture. You shouldn't have any problems if your using the 2S balancer...

which piccture should i do? Its on pg 3

I explained it STEP-BY-STEP....

If the wires don't match up the balancer won't work.

i did match them up buy it said ERROR

cool, squee! get on aim! I think i'll charge them to 90% capacity and just not balence them. but how do you know they are at 90%?

It looks like you got two differ kinds of plugs. I not sure if they will work together or not. hard to tell from pics.

they aint working bout they STILL FIT! woulnt they still work as long as they complete the flow?

OK nbaz, I understand your pain, but you're gonna have to relax. If you're of drinking age, have a beer to calm down. ;)

Until you understand the wiring, I would charge/balance each battery seperately. It will take longer but will be much simpler.

That balancer looks like a Hyperion LBA6 clone. It's not the exact same, but the connectors sure are. Attached is the LBA6 manual in PDF format. Skip to the diagrams at the end and study them carefully to see how the balancer wires are hooked up. Understanding how it works is key to hooking them up right. There is no magic here, it all makes logical sense when you think about it.

If your pack's balance connector wires do not match up to the balancer, it won't work. You may have to move a wire or two on the balancer adaptor so each wire on your pack goes to the correct wire on the pack connector. You just have to make sure the wires are in the correct order if/when you move them.

doestn help much with that funky connecter that i have on the apogee lipos

http://www.pfmdistribution.com/
heres a link, how should i wire the setup up?

OK, take a clear picture of the pack balance connector and post it. I'll whip up a picture for you.

I looked at some of your other posts and found a picture that was good enough. Look at the attachment. See the pink arrow? Follow that wire to the other side of the connector. There's no matching wire there! Move the wire noted by the pink arrow to the slot denoted by the green line.

EDIT forgot to attach the pic. :dft001:

AH! yes! tahts exactly what i did! and it still said error

OH GREAT! now mY PS shuts off every 5 seconds! WT!!?!?

OK, then maybe the black wires are out of order. Do you have a voltmeter? If so, I'd like you to measure the voltage on each cell.

Put the red voltmeter lead on the red balancer wire. Put the black meter lead on the black balancer wire right next to it. The meter should read something like 3.7 volts give or take.

Then, put the red vmeter lead on the black balancer wire right next to the red wire. Put the black meter lead on the last black balancer wire. It should read ~3.7v.

Post results...

The PS shutting off is known as cycling and usually the result of a current overload or something like that. Make sure none of your wires are shorting!

intresting, i get 3.7v for teh first black, and when i mvoe to 2nd i get 7.4v. same with both bats.

Ah ha! There's your problem; the last two black wires are reversed.

If possible, switch the two black wires in the battery balance connector so they are "correct". This will make them at least a standard layout. BE CAREFUL NOT TO SHORT THE WIRES WHEN YOU REMOVE THEM!

[EDIT] HOLD on a minute....

Actually, it sounds like none of the wires are right. Both measurements should have been 3.7v. What do you get when you measure from the red wire to the last black wire? I bet you'll get 3.7v

i got 7.2v, lemme get the pick to diagram

Oh ok, they're right then. None of those values are negative right?

nope all are positive, so what do i do now to get them working?

no1???? curse IT! how am i suppose to keep up with nitro with sh$tty gp3300s that only last 10 minutes!

I really don't know what the error is about then. The connector on the pack is right, the balance adaptor connector is right, maybe the balancer is bad?

Disconnect the balance adaptor cable from the balancer and check the battery voltages there. Maybe there is a break in connection somewhere.

If it's just one more race, maybe you can just charge your packs without balancing. While you probably don't want to do this all the time, at least your packs will be charged for the race. This will give you some time to find the cause of the problem and/or get a replacement balancer.

how can i charge it at about 90% on apache 25? i do not want to overcharge any cells. Also, can i still charge even though there is an eror in the balencer? There is no error sign in the apache 25, so does that mean its charging? I do not have time to solder, i actually gotta sleep rigth now and gotta wake up early tom, with my crap gp3300s.

The apache 25 charger is a lithium charger. As such, it will charge at your desired current until the pack reaches 8.4v, then it will switch over to constant-voltage charge until the charge current drops to a small value. The only bad thing is the charger doesn't know if one cell is at 4.25 and the other is at 4.15. It just "sees" 8.4v. The balancer's job is to make sure that each cell is equal. Since your pack is new, the cells should be very close to each other and all should be OK. I say "should" because there is always a chance for error and I want to make sure you understand the risks, however small.

I have a question for you: Are you sure you are having an error? I just looked at the description of the balancer and saw these two last bullet points:

- LED of the lowest voltage cell: Off. LED of higher voltage cells: Flashes.
- Err/Check LED will flash, if you choose unmatched adaptor.

It sounds like the error light flashes if there is an error. A solid LED might just be a "power on" indicator. When you have it hooked up in your error condition, does the charger still charge or does the charger display an error of some kind?

ohhhh, it doesnt flash and it doesnt show an error on charger, but how do i know its charging?

Isn't there something on the charger display which shows the charge voltage, current, and/or mAh put in?

nope, but i think i got teh charger working, the red light was on! BUT! they said that the error/chk will be green when fully ballanced and charge. which is what happened on the balencer. The apahce on the other hand still says its charging... Odd thing is that the the direction where it said its full charged, is right before the direction which says, than connect to teh charger and begin charge..... So i dont know if it means my pack was balenced and was still in middle of charge or that it was balanced and charged. charge time was about an hour or so if i went by the balencer.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention teh race. I did SH***TTY! it was horrible. I spent so much time working on teh batts/limn that i forgot abouty chaning my e-revo to racing setup, i forgot i still had long travels on ethem... Not good for racing! First round...my battery strapps failed on me and my packs got dragged until the batt bars broke off, never got to finish. 2nd one, my friend used the revo for his qualifier but the pack's punch ended at about 1min before the qualifier was over. 3rd time it was driven was when i tore up my rear centerdrifshaft and i never got to finish. I literally twisted it off and there was clicking noises which i found out was a chewed up rear diff. My nitro revo didnt do so much better either. WHen practincing before the race, i drove reverse back towards the pit area and get slammed by a buggy. Funny thing is that i walled away with a bent lunsford turnbuckle. The bugy on the other hand was compeltely messed up, im talking about shock towers, shocks, a=arms, hinge pin. lol, i think my ti-skid plate saved my a$$. I was dead last in the b-main and i had to use my nitro revo. Guess what! it crapped out on me. I spent 3 minutes trying to start taht POS up and it wouldnt go! So then my friend said to use his nitro revo. BUT! guess WHAT! it didnt start up either. So i ended up not even being able to participate. Funny thign is that the top 2 racers get bumpped up to teh A-main. ANd there was only 3 racers in the b-main including me! So i had a pretty good shot at going into the a-main. This same exact thign happened last year. I never was able to get into an a-main, EVER. So it ended up me not being able to FINISH any of the qualifiers or the main.

Maybe some here who uses that charger and balancer combo can shed some light on how it works and the idiosyncrasies specific to that charger. From the sounds of it, the balancer is working ok, it's just not doing anything since the pack is balanced.

Sorry to hear about the results from your races! I don't think I've ever heard of that many problems with that many trucks from one person! Did you walk under any ladders, break any mirrors, or cross the path of any black cats? ;)

About your runtime, I'd try to change gearing a little to maybe squeeze a bit more runtime. If your top speed is more than you need, maybe you can gear down a tad and take some load off the motor. That will pull less current on acceleration and hopefully make the batteries last longer. You could also try lightening up wherever possible.

hmmm, i did eat a couple of black cats yesterday. MmMMMmmm, they wer3e deliscious.

Interesting, cats eh? I heard dog makes a fine meal! But cats? ICK!
Anyways, sorry to hear about your troubles. Have you figured it out yet?

oh, just foudn out there wanst a drop of filter oil in mmy filter at all. Not good....