Go to products under electric. All brushless rustler, pede, bandit!!

Edit: Beat me to it.

here it is.http://www.traxxas.com/products/elec...x_stampede.htm

The V stands for Velineon???

Booooooo! We waited how long to find out it's a freakin BL Rustler/Bandit/Stampede product? I'm supremely disappointed in Traxxas for dragging that crap out.

Ok, now that I've gotten that out of my system. I want to find out how much they'll be so I can buy one to bash the *&$% out of. :D

its pretty cool actually it has the potental to go 70+ with a 3s lipo. That is almost as good or better than the castle motors. also it has metal trans, ball bearings, cool wheels body, and deans. not much extra, yes, but for someone that is going to buy a rusty this could be very good. But lets see the price if it is under 250 then it is pretty cool car, but if it is pretty expensive its not really worth it.

Yes, keeping the price right on it will mean the world to sales for these things. When most folks buy them and do 30+ out of the box with the XL-5 and Titan...the price better be darn good.

I just saw the V for the first time tonight, so I guess I wasn't expecting anything to be let down. At least it has wheels :027:

Did you happen to see the new transmission, new bushless motor/esc, tire, and wheels? It's not just traxxas sticking a brushless system in an existing vehicle, they created more options for other things as well (which gives the consumer more options).


I look forward to seeing pricing for these new options.

Im incredibly disappointed with Traxxas. They have revamped the rustler/stampede/bandit once already, why do it again? I was hoping for at least a revamped emaxx.

But look on the bright side, this may just pave the way for an factory electric revo with a BL system. Now with a RTR BL stadium truck made by a well known company, BL technology will become more mainstream.

Also, I wonder how the BL system performs and how it'll hold up in the long run

They don't come with deans. Its a different Traxxas plug.

Don't forget that Losi has had the XXX-T sport with a Novak 4300 BL in it for some time now. I don't think they sell all that well at their $380 price tag either. IMO, Traxxas needs to stick it below that price point by $50-80 and they should do well. I'd like to see a street price on it of $299 or so and I'd probably buy one.

Bah, humbug. Im assuming that Traxxas will be bringing out a 4/5s capable esc, and a wider selection of motors. Those little things will burn up under harsh driving with a big bad Lipo providing power. As for the connectors... nothing some wire cutters & solder cant replace. Not all that impressed really.

The tranny looks to be nothing more than the original with the steel top gear, AL idler and a new AL diff.

The BL motor/ESC is nothing special...a $180 Mamba Max combo does all that and then some.

The tires are the same as on the XL-5, just on black chrome versions of the same wheels.

So, basically, not much difference. However, the metal turnbuckles and higher torque servo are nice additions. I just don't see anything more with this release than a prettied up version of the XL-5 that was new last year.

If its cheap enough, I'll buy it just to mess around. I was expecting an e-revo or new e-maxx though...

Sensored & sensorless..... give me that in a bigger esc and I'll be a happy man- I could run all kinds of weird * wonderful BL motors..... A few redemming features then but I want a higher voltage model still- hurry up Traxxas. Right, now Im going to bed before me eyes drop out.

the mods kept saying it was something we have never seen, only thing i never seen before was traxxas rehashing a couple month old truck, that usually takes 15 years for them to do that;) On the nicer side, if the esc delivers, it is ground breaking

I have a gut feeling this is the beginning and that the higher volt system will indeed hit the market. The rusty/pede platform is the least expensive way for Traxxas to get it's feet wet. I think it's a great move and a definate step in the right direction.

I am just really suprised that Traxxas released a BL system that is much more potent and capable than the Novak ones.

If Traxxas makes one for MT's, I suspect it will be 5S or 6S capable.

It better be more capable...you've seen the MSRP on it, right? $300 for the BL system alone

I certainly hope the VLX vehicles are priced under $400 or sales could be slow. It's far too easy to put a MM in an XL-5 Rusty/Pede/Bandit and keep it under $300.

After looking at this system a little closer I don't think they did a bad job here. No the esc doesn't have the programmability of the Mamba Max, but the target for this esc is different than the MM. Its pretty much brushless for dummies with some really nice foolproof features. Like the setup to run sensored or sensorless motors. (cool feature that I haven't seen anywhere else) Makes it a possible esc for legal racing and a high powered basher all in one. A 200Amp constant rating with a nice size heatsink and a water resistant case. The water resistance is huge IMO. 2 of the 3 ESC's I have fried was due to water. Once a huge puddle in the grass I didn't see and once some left over dew on the grass. Water resistance make it a posible good candidate for a winter snow basher too. They are offering a "clip on" fan with a port for plugging it directly into the esc. Thats a sweet feature IMO. Sounds to me like they know in the extreme mode with the 3s battery that they will have thermal problems. But they fact that they rate it for 3s and a "optional" (probably oversize) pinion is great. It shows that there is headroom on the esc when running in a more normal useful range of speed. They probably should just include the fan though, people are stupid and wont even realize they need it. Even the new traxxas plugs looks to be a pretty solid design. As good as deans from a connection stand point. Just wondering how they will hold up over time, and they dont look to be reusable like a deans that you can unsolder and resolder if you want. Once you solder it and snap the connector into the case its on there and to get it out you need to rip the barbs that hold the gold bar in place out, probably ruining it. And the price is a little high at $4 a set. I can see this being one of those things that gets cut off IMMEDIATELY! But some interesting concepts in the design none the less.

All in all it looks like they did a pretty nice job designing a brushless system for the casual hobbyist.

As far as the price, if you drill down into the ESC pages at the bottom it says suggested retail for the esc is $300, which probably puts it at around $225-250 street price. Thats a little steep for a 3s esc. But it is 200A rated so if it delivers it could be a really nice little system for the 1/10 market. It sure looks like it delivers more power and flexibility than the Novak stuff. The mamba is rock solid though in 1/10 applications so its gonna have a tough time carving out a place at those prices IMO.

Downsides I see from my perspective is the software built in over voltage detection will prevent us from really testing what it can do unless its "hackable". No settings at all other than reverse or no reverse. The trainer mode is useless IMO unless you are buying this for a 8 year old in which case save your money and get the XL5 version.

Now we just need to see if the system delivers in the real world what it shows on paper. If it delivers and they sold a 5s or 6s version of this I'd give it a whirl and see what it could do. I dont care if the esc is made by traxxas, CC, Quark, or whoever as long as it delivers what it says it is supposed to deliver. I'd die laughing if Traxxas beat CC to the punch on the MMM.:D

Cant wait to see one of these in real life. I'm sure that someone around here will get one just to "see what its made of".:007:

Is it the BL system that $300? I read it as the ESC was $300.

After looking at the transmission i finally know where to get the parts for my SRT to toughen up the tranny, I'll keep the ball diff bit the metal top and idler gears will be in my SRT. BTW they should have brought back the SRT as a legends model and put the brushless in it;))

I also thought the esc and motor together was $300. I would also laugh my head off if Traxxas beat Team Tekin or Castle Creations in making a capable ESC for mt's capable of 5s/6s.

I agree, but i think they will have to get to 200.00 for the system in order to shake the walls of castle. What would be really funny is if someone uses the traxxas esc with a novak motor and wins the nationals with it

This has given me a whole new shopping list of goodies for my rusty which is just entering the beginning stages of it's plan, that now needs to be replanned!

I just hope that they hit the right price point with the RTR and it's a success. It will only drive them to further their BL development!

RTR BL 4tecs, jato's, revo's and maxxes as the quick easy fix, and silence the masses over on the Traxxas forums. With the possibilty of new designed bl based products in the future.

It can only do good for the RTR industry. How long until companies like HPI and Tamiya take the plunge? I like the idea of a 60+ mph rtr bl baja5b :D

Also with a major rtr manufacturer making this kind of power with out mods can only give compnies like castle, quark, what have you a swift kick in the ass to stay the "top dogs"!

This is great news lads;

A huge player (if not the biggest player) on the market that is now shipping a brushless setup..

Only a matter of time before the e-maxx/e-truggy/e-revo comes brushless

So when does this little bugger hit the stores? Nothing listed on Tower yet and they are usually one of the first to get any new traxxas products.

It also looks like the case has screws. This measn it'll be easyt to see whats under the hood on this thing.

Hmmm...I must admit, I'm a little disappointed with this. After all the hype (and given that the E-Maxx is pretty much the only truck that Traxxas haven't updated yet) I really was expecting something much bigger along the lines of a new electric truck.

Still...it's a decent looking piece of kit and it certainly can't hurt the brushless scene! Good work Traxxas. Not as good as I'd hoped lol, but still good work.

Too bad, that with all the updates, they still couldn't give it a metal motorplate

That actually made me happy since i just bought my FLM tranny case form Mike! I do want the gears, camber links, and a few other goodies from it however,

On the one hand, I'm happy that something Electric rec'd SO much hype on the Traxxas forum. You know all the nitro guys are fuming mad for wasting so much time on a 60+ page thread.

However I continue to be totally dissapointed by Traxxas and their lack of support to the E-MT crowd. The E-Maxx goes unchanged and the Rustler gets it's second refresh in 6 months? I wanted a new Electric Monster from Traxxas.

DM

"The Velineon Brushless Power System is made up of the following:


Velineon VXL-3s Electronic Speed Control
Velineon 3500 Brushless Motor
Traxxas High-Current Connector
Maxx Cable 12-Gauge Wire"

That's what they have listed for a $300 MSRP.

I agree totally. And I think this will really help the BL market. I'm sure some people view BL as a complicated and confusing topic. The fat that a very reputable RTR company is doing this is very nice.

With the advertised speeds, I wonder how long it is before nitro is the niche and BL is the norm? :)

Traxxas is starting small with the 1/10 size stuff, getting people into the BL frame of mind, and then I think they will eventually release larger systems. After all, BL is the future.

I am only wondering one thing; is this made by novak? i highly doubt that. (If it is a novak, it would be the first sensorless brushless novak. this would open a different can..)

if it's not a novak, that means the market is open for a real brushless setup producer for the stock maxxes. So far i like what i see on the traxxas BL.. reasonable kv values, looks like a decent setup to me.

I had heard that the Brushless program and manufacturing was being done by Traxxas "in house".

I wonder who the guy worked for then..

Good question.

Can you think of any Castle guys who might have recently "defected"??? :dft012:

Hey everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster.

I've got a brushless rustler with numerous upgrades/hop-ups, and after seeing this release, I definitely think Traxxas responded to the mass direction. I'm an active member on the Traxxas rustler/bandit board, and all the upgrades Traxxas put in are the standard ones that everyone on that board recommends. As far as brushless systems, every other post is about what MM system to buy, so it made complete sense for Traxxas to get in on that market.

I'll admit I was fully hoping for an e-revo. However, looking at this and what's been put into it, if I was new to the rc scene and was looking to get a rustler, I'd definitely look at buying this brushless one. I'm sure the price point will come out at much less than what I spent on buying all the upgrades/hop-ups separately.

A couple things I think Traxxas missed is lack of programmability (may not be a big deal to the target audience), what looks like a lack of kingpins instead of the awful stock one-sided screws suspension screws, and better stub axles (these bend all the time with the stock and a brushless set-up). Otherwise, looks like a pretty sweet ride.

I'll still holdout for a brushless e-revo until fall, and then it'll become a winter project!

Chris

Welcome to the forums Chris! Glad you joined us.

I think it's a good thing that traxxas has come out with this system, it may not affect me dirrectly yet since I don't have any true 1/10th cars (e-maxx doesn't count, because it can't use this system) and I don't intend to get any, but I do think it will help brushless/electric in general. People looking to get into rc will go to the hobby shop and when they ask what's the fastest car I can get out of the box that can drive on dirt and grass? Now they won't be told a 65mph Jato is the fastest, but a 70mph electric (not sure how reliable it will be when it's run like that though), and I think that will make people look at electric a lot differently, which can only be good for electric in general.
Most people that don't know much about rc, don't even know that brushless or lipo's exsist, so they still think electric is slow, so then they end up buying some nitro car to bash with (and maybe start racing after a while), because it can do 45mph or whatever out of the box and never even consider electric as an option. So when they're told the can do 70mph with an electric there's a chance they'll want that, and to do 70mph with the new traxxas's they going buy lipo's and have a car with brushless from the start, which is when electric starts to get really good.
So then more people are going to realise what a good electric can do, meaning more brushless and lipo customers, more products coming out for these customers to buy, and hopefully more quality stuff, at more competitive prices. Meaning electric 1/8th's out of the box will have to end up happening whether nitro guys like it or not.
I don't know how long it will take to change the way people look at electric compared to nitro (mainly people that have always assumed nitro is faster, from lack of experience with brushless and/or lipo), but if these cars and velineon system do what traxxas says, then it can only be a good thing for electric rc.

@procharged; yeah, i was thinking in that direction.. :p

Welcome to the forum Ecoli.

I am also worried about the tupperware drivetrain.

The steel idler/diff/diff internals are a very, very good thing though.