The term that I would probably use is "knock-off"... :026:

Thanks for the welcome.

Hey - Traxxas...Brushless...70mph...RTR...sounds good to me!

Too bad my Rustler would still whoop them. :027:

@novaktwo;

Are you working at novak? if yes; what is it that you do?

Yeah, that plastic mount is a concern though;

Perpaps someone can make an inlay aluminum plate

Yeah, it looks like it just might get worn out from the screws in there. Plus there is not heat sinking action, the motor might run a little hotter than it could have with an alum plate. It does look generally rigid though, with the thick plastic ribbing on it.

Sweet!... so it's not plastic gears... that is awesome.. Sorry I have problems reading... I've been hit my RC cars too many times..

I am actually sorta retired from Novak. But, in mulling over the question "what is it that you do?", I've settled on the title of Senior Strategist to describe my current position.

I have been reading this forum for several years--ever since Novak introduced its first BL products. Reading this, and other electric forums, allows insight into what users want in their BL equipment and how customers use the products.

Novak is currently in the prototype phase of its design for new High Voltage items, both BL and brushed. I often e-mail interesting comments to Novak's design engineers that I read on the various forums.

Many of Novak's recent products and updates come from users' inputs---Spectrum version GTB, 4-Cell GTB, built-in Lipo circuitry, bonded version EX motors (some tracks do not allow sintered rotors), the new rmf repair/exchange program. Higher wind motors are also being tested for spec Oval racing.

So many forums, so little time....

Wow, now 4 companies are battling to see who will come out with a nice HV brushless system: Traxxas, Novak, Castle Creations, and Tekin.... this will be interesting. :)

I agree... Great news to hear yet another company working in the right direction Can I sugest that when/if Novak does realase a HV system targeted toward the MT and 1/8 market that they use a full suze 540 diameter rotor in the motor. What exact;y does Novak consider HV. They currently refer to their 12 cell setup as HV. The folks around here are more inclined to think of 6s as the begining of a HV setup.. Usually more.

Oh yea... And welcome to the forums!

I consider 5s as being HV, only because there are no good controllers that do over 6s. :mad:1

Novak released its first HV system in late '04, so it is definitely in need of an overhaul. The existing products were designed before lipo cells were widely adopted and last year we started including a lipo (Smart Stop) module with each systems. The systems are currently rated for up to 14 cells, and the new versions will certainly exceed that (or, why bother?)

i hope the new one doesnt run at 70k rpm because that's BS.
need around 35k in a 1/8th.
i always tought novak's motor were hacker build?

All brushless motors sold by Novak have been designed and made---hand wound---here in Irvine.

My home town. If I had a good arm, I could have hit Novak, Associated, Mugen, Ofna, Hpi, Yokomo, and now Kyosho with a rock. Well maybe a short drive.

Novaktwo, welcome and please keep us updated. I have actually come full circle having started with the original SS, transitioned to the high power sensorless, and now I want to return to sensored.

But novak completely misses the point in terms of KV; and they get hot due to that as well, so i think we can call that 'lesson learned' and a more reserved kv value will be used by novak as from now?

I do hope so Serum. I was comparing the specs of the HV range of motors:
6.5 = 3100kv = 44640 rpm = 14.4v = 500 watts
4400 = 4400kv (original one I have) = 63360 rpm = 14.4v = 375 watts
4.5 = 4800kv = 69120 rpm = 14.4v = 800 watts

Those figures are way too high on the HV4400 & HV4.5, no wonder they get so hot and suck the life out of my poor cheapo batteries. The 6.5 has potential though- 45,000 rpms isnt too bad on 14.4v, and it has much more power output in terms of torque due to the newer sintered rotor. There is a video or 2 on youtube of someone running their Emaxx on 16.8v with the 6.5, and it is rather quick. I know sensorless is way better and cheaper by-and-large, but if I could get a 6.5 motor for fairly cheap somewhere, I reckon it would make and ideal upgrade having more torque, lower kv and cooler temps as a result. Food for thought, seeing as I am a 'casual' user rather than hardcore racer/basher.

http://www.traxxas.com/products/elec...peed_chart.jpg


Woah, I wish I could do 70mph in my T4, I have a 5700kv motor and 20C 11.1v Liopos but it just won't get there like the diagram says, lol...

I think the 45 would be a nice out of box set up to run.
I think a nice step to brushless being more popular and more options.

Novak two, I started with a HV 4400 and loved it. While i have moved on to more powerful systems i think the 6.5 and 4.5 are good starter systems. There are two types of people here that i can see, Type 1, the one who has to have the latest and most powerful and willing to do what it takes to get it. Type 2, those (like me) that prefer baby steps and like to change as little as possible at one time (call it baby steps). I started with novak, because it programmed the same as my dually and EVX.

n/m...been drinking too much beer,, enjoy your holiday :)

I suspect that you could get there if you were only gearing it for speed runs. I'm guessing that the reason the new traxxas stuff doesnt come geared like that right out of the box is cuz it wont run like that constantly either. Speed runs are entertaining, but you certainly cant set them up to run that all the time.

Dude. When it comes to brushless RC trucks, this is the forum that counts most.

I agree with the others that Novak products are for the most part too high KV. This new traxxas motor looks interesting too me because it is only 3400kv which is right on par with what I've found actually works well on a 2 or 3 cell pede. Traxxas's first brushless and already they got the KV correct right out of the gate. I think this says alot for Traxxas. In fact.....I'd say they are the first one's to actually get the KV even close too correct on a RTR RC. I would like to buy one of these motors and try running it with my MambaMax ESC. Lower KV motors with 1/8th shafts are rare as gold these days. This might turn out to be the perfect motor for rusty/pede regardless of which speed controller you are using.

Is traxxas going to finally ship the pede with wheel bearings? I don't see how they can run brushless and keep the bushings.

You mean to tell me they use bushings in the Pede!? :020: :032:

Yup and to add to the cold front through hades, they will be 5x11, No more RPM upgrades needed

Nice. The only bad thing I can see in all of this is that all of our custom brushless pedes and rustys are now worth half of whatever they were worth a week ago LOL. OH well. Just glad to see Traxxas kicking butt on the brushless side of things.

Same thing will happen to the E-Maxx and converted Revos if/when they release new electric versions.

You're right. It will be good for the hobby as a whole but some of use will take a big hit in value......however, if we keep our stuuf and keep running it it won't really matter!

FYI...tower has updated prices on the VXL vehicles now:

LXSDB5** Traxxas Bandit VXL RTR 324.99
LXSDB6** Traxxas Stampede VXL RTR 339.99
LXSDB7** Traxxas Rustler VXL RTR 329.99

NOT bad priced IMO!!

quite a nice price indeed.....!

The prices are fantastic in my opinion!

Consider the cost of buying the standard one and upgrading to a Mamba maxx! Not to mention all the other upgrades Traxxas throws in!

Yeah, at that price, I'm probably going to pre-order one while I have a $30 off coupon code. Then if I get a better coupon code in before they come in stock, I'll cancel and reorder it. :D

Yep, couldn't resist. Just pre-ordered a VXL Rustler with a final price of $299.99 shipped. :D

I'm tempted as well. 5x11 bearings, brushless with lipo cutoff, outside of buying a spectrum, these things are truly ready to run. Of coarse, that is assuming these brushless systems run well. Only time will tell. I'm thinking I'll buy one, if I don't like it, then I can ebay it for $250 and call it a $50 lesson learned.

I think they will run well. Most products that come from Traxxas do, at least in my experience with the Revo 3.3, E-Maxx, T-Maxx, and Stampede.

I got a thunder tech chassis w/cage waiting on one

That will be a nice project! Looking forward to checking that one out!

all the parts other than the chassis and cage are buggered up ( i bought it used). Along with that, I got planned the truck traxxas wouldn't build, The Crazyjr SRT Velineon Edition, it will have all the modern updates and will be raced hard. For those who don't know what an SRT is, http://www.traxxas.com/products/elec...rt/trx_srt.htm there you go. Think a true racing version of the rustler