Let me (us) know if you find out, I have already made a post about this, I was guessing they might be made by the same factory that do the KB45XL or Tekin motor ? But there is no name, no website :/ http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10640
Don't worry about the different Io, Castle probably do have asked for different wire gauge and quality to fit there specs

I do have too much stuff, but I almost prefer to find my own favorites, but always base my choices on others experience.

All I can say is that I tried a brand new vxl rustler, ran it on 3s 4000mah lipo, and a 6000mah 2s lipo. It ran hot on the 2s, like 160f on stock gearing. Nothing was wrong with the truck, no binding or other issues. On 3s it drained the pack in about 20mins. It was fast and powerful, but the motor was hot, and so was the esc. Battery temps did not get out of hand, so I did not think it was poor batteries causing the heat.

Same batteries went into my pede. It had a 12s feigao (3000kv), MM and 15/54 gearing. The 2s pack was slow, but about the same speed as the vxl, maybe a little faster. The overall gearing on the pede is higher than the vxl stock gearing. So the pede should be faster, even with the lower kv motor, and it was. On 3s 4000 lipo I could get 40-45mins runtime, and temps never went over 140 on the motor. I radared the truck at 46 mph. The rustler was not that fast.

Now I did not bother with changing the gearing. The velineon system did not run smoother than my castle/feigao system, so I sold the truck.

Main point for me is that the traxxas setup has no adjustability, 3s max input, and worse temps. The only benifit is that the motor is 3500kv. If castle had a 3500 kv motor I would see no benifit in the traxxas system. The MM is a far superior esc, and the feigao motor performs better than the traxxs did in my testing.

Heres a few shots inside the traxxas motor and a mm motor:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...p/DSCF1376.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...p/DSCF1375.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...p/DSCF1374.jpg

Note the difference in rotor construction and spacer usage. The cc motor is not a feiago, where the traxxas looks just like a feiago, save for the solder plate. Now the recently released sensored feigao motors have a solder plate.

After all of this we are debating a 10th scale 2wd motor. The motor is designed to be used that way. You will not get 40+mph out of this motor in a heavy vehicle, not going to happen. Tons of heat and lots of draw thru the esc.

Im not going to get into this

But I agree 100% with what linc has to say, he has rc cars flowing out his behind, look at his motor sales, he sells like bulk lmao! He had atleast 10 motors in one sale, same with lipos, he has tons of cars that all are in running condition, and im sure he uses all them, he for sure doesnt build shelf queens!

When he says what he does, he means it, I dont think he is biased at all, he just uses what works........

LinC is a walking motor reference guide. Bought 4 motors from him not to long ago. Bor is not kidding with his Bulk offerings on motors.

Thanks guys, I have owned most of the lower priced motors. I have not owned a neu, or run one, but I do have quite a few aveox motors. I also like the hacker motors, the best of which appear to be the c50 series. They preform like lehner motors, and sell for a lot less used.

I am not biased, and have bought quite a few cheaper motors hoping that they would be good. Like the sv27 motor, tons of power, but it realy needs the water cooling it gets in the boat! However it seems to be you get what you pay for. I would like to try mega motors to see how they perform.

On a side note, does anyone know how similar the aveox motors are to neu motors? I have about 7 of them in various sizes and winds, and they seem to be very wel made, and put out plenty of power for their size. I know that steve neu worked for aveox, was he the designer? I am guessing his motors are comparable in design to the aveox, but are they better built? Just wondering...

To calarify to anyone who read that the 45mm motor that feigao are buidling is the mmm that is not true.

The motor is a propietry feigaio motor.

As far as I know from feigao and cc there is no connection between the companies.

Thanks for explaining Chris.

I know who is making the MMM motors, but I can't tell you guys. :D The two pole Castle motors will also be made by a different factory in the future as well.

Sneaky

Do you know if the cc 36 motors will be of better quality/design?

The design will stay the same. The Quality may go up, it may not change. They are trying to bump the efficiencies up a few points though. Until production units are made no real predictions can be made really.

Linc any chance of lining up an s can too?

:lol:Linc- I'm in MN, right next to WI if you want me to go and thump takedown:lol:

:diablo:nobody likes wheelchair tracks on their face!:no:

Hey, I already said I didnt want to start anything with anyone. I just have a personal opinion that happens to be a little diff than your opinions. Hey, linc could you snap a few pics of the diameter difference of the two motors. The seem to have the same rotor length about but from what I hear and from what Ive seen the rotor on the velineon is a little wider. Thanks.

Paralyzed, funny, I had a guy roll over my foot once in a wheelchair, and he was no lightweight. It almost broke my toes! My fault as I was in his way!

No need to find takedown, he just has a differnt opinion.

My main issue is that I can't stand arguments that have no factual basis. I am sure that the traxxas motor is great when you compare it to any brushed 540 sized motor. I had a feigao 6s 540, and it took an emaxx to 65mph on 3s. It also almost puffed a maxamps 10000 3s and would overdraw a MM easily. It did not get very hot, but had about 2mins max run out of it before everything else heated up.

The thing is that the traxxas setup is great in its intended application. It is also priced well, and will get people into brushless. It will run acceptably on nimh cells, and offers simple, easy to use features. However, I just see it as a small motor, coupled with an esc that offers no programability, with a 3s max input.

It is a great beginner system, that is about it. I am a traxxas fan myself, have at least 12 traxxas vehicles at the moment. However they are new to brushless, and the esc cannot compare with the mm. My tests were not overly thorough, but I decided that the lack of programability was enough to move away from it. The poor performance, heat and runtime just showed up its other faults.

The motor is like any other s can feigao, capable of making alot of power, but will draw alot if loaded heavily. It will also heat up, due to design and material usage. It is not a smoking deal, as you can get a vaiety of s can feigao winds for 50 bucks. One of those motors and a mm come very close to the price of the vxl system and and offer much more to the end user. Please try to debate that last sentence with me.

I do not have any s can motors at the moment. The vxl rotor is the same length as a s can. The windings are shorter to allow the solder plate to be fitted. This may cause the motor to produce less power than the feigao, much like the cc motors do (they have less wire and shorter rotors).

Now this will really add some fuel to the fire. A sv27 motor is the same length as a feigao s can, has 6 poles and a 5mm shaft. It can pull an emaxx to 35mph. It can also pull a 4wd smaller vehicle like a crt.5, or a Ls10 to 40mph or more. Now in a pede on 4s it would easily be capable of waxing the velineon motor. It has tons of torque. I may have to throw it in my vxl pede roller that I just acquired and see how it does!

Hey linc did you get my pm? I have to say that the VXL when i ran it on the same setups always ran cooler than the mamba. But this is just my experience. I am looking to hit 60mph this summer with my rustler and I sorta need your help. I am running a 5s Flightpower 30c lipo setup and I need to know if a Feigao 8xl will propel me towards 60mph and beyond with proper gearing? I know its going to be very hard to keep on the ground but that doesnt worry me. Im just trying to surpas my old speed record which is 52mph set with a brushless MI2. You think it can be done?

takedown- it's just jokes, i'm a joker, that's why I had the:lol: smilie. This forum is real friendly compared to most, we just all prefer tested facts over an opinion of something someone isn't familiar with, after all, r/c takes up alot of all our lives, and we all learn from one another. And arguing with Linc is like wrestling with a pig, after awhile, you realize the pig enjoys it:lol: no offense Linc, just bustin' your chops!:lol:

Ya I guess... It just to me it seems like everyone looks down apon me like a newb. Ive been in r/c the majority of my life and I dont know if you guys have noticed but when my opinion is opposed I take it seriously. I just dont like it when people on here treat me like I just got into r/c and im 8 years old or something, It really reflects what the rest of the forum will be like. Thankfully I havent given up on this one because their are some forums out their were all the top dogs hate every new member no matter the experience I dont know why but Im the kinda guy who always likes to end up on top and will not give up until I get their. Sorry if Ive been such a snot to some of you guys but thats just how I am.

takedown- although I just bought an flm rustler tranny to fit a 540c 8xl on my rustler, It's total overkill, and too much power for the drivetrain. An s can geared tall will do 70 on 3s, but run hot. An l can is overkill, but will easily power you to 70 on 5s, as you intend to run. Get the l can that will turn 35,000 rpm on 5s, and use BrianG's speed calculator to gear for whatever speed you want, although you'll need a better speed control for 5s.............speed calculator is the first sticky in the brushless forum

I see no reason that the 8xl will not push the ruslter to 60 and beyond. What mah is the flightpower battery? The increased battery weight will help the rusty stay on all fours.

Paralyzed, are you trying to say that I am fat? Not nice, I will come up there and push you out of your chair! Meanie!:party:

That said, I do like a good debate, especially when the facts and popular opinion are on my side. That is almost as much fun as when there are no facts and I am going against the unwashed masses' stupidity!

Paralyzed, I have the full VXL tranny so tranny strength wont be an issue. I am looking into getting jato driveshafts also for added strength. My 5s is a 3200mah 30c-60c Flightpower. Im thinkin it wil do the trick.

a 13l will spin close to 35,000 (sweet spot of feigao motors) on 5s, on 5s even with a vxl tranny, the diff internals(spiders) don't hold up, I run silicone diff lock inside mine

:lol:LOL:lol:

The 8xl spins at aroun 38k rpms on 5s. Thats still in the sweet spot range. Just alot more torque.

Hey, we do not look down on you, just have some facts to back up your claims. When I did the redcat with the direct to diff, I made sure that I had plenty of info about how it worked. If I had not done that I can imaging the "big dogs" would have been all over me! Hell, they give me a hard enough time as it is!

I have done rc for about 2 years now. Started with a pede with the xl1, and tried a few brushed motors. Luckily the mm was released, and then lipos got cheaper. So I kind of bypassed the nimh and brushed phase of electrics (pun intended).

So I am a relative newb myself. But I do learn fast, (I can even tune a nitro!) and learn from my mistakes (do not buy a nitro). That is why I find this forum so useful, and trust the opinions of other members here. We are all here to help each other!

And paralyzed is right. A l can feigao, like a 12l will easily get you to your goal. I though you already had the 8xl. Any 2000kv motor will work well on 5s, but the longer can lengths will help keep heat down and produce more torque. Plus you can drive them for a while before they heat up too much.

Ya, I think that the 5s is my ticket to speed.

have you a 5s speed control?

Yep, I have a Hacker Master Car Sport that will run up to 6s from what I hear with a ubec.

I'll sell you my schulze timebomb

Lol no thanks. I worry about schulze esc's...

master car sport is only good for 14.4volts 12nimh or 3slipo

With the internal bec. I will be running a ubec and disabling the internal bec. Im pretty sure it doesnt even have one. I think its the opto version...

I had one, there is no bec, hacker told me not to run 4s, it was designed for c50 motor on 12 cells, like an e-maxx

He can give it a try. I would think that motor rpm and load would be more of an issue. The c50 maxx motors are very powerful, and good on 4s lipo. 12 cells nimh are about the same as 4s.

Takedown, I would keep the motor rpm under 40k. That may keep the controller happy. And try lower gearing for your inital tests. Keep an eye on temps, and then go up gradually with the gearing. That should ensure that you do not roast the esc on the first run!

Will do linc... Still worried on if I should even run it? I would like to sell it but would have no idea what I would get for it? Its basically brand new. Has only 3 runs on it.

This is why I like linc's posts as compared to others who just try something a couple of times, don't really test it throughly. then claim how great it is. (the others part is mainly referring to people on other boards, no this one)

This is one of those sites I read about 1000 times more than I ever post. There is always a lot of information on here, and a lot of detail. This is actually one of the few sites that doesn't constantly flame people.

As far as trying to get 60 takedown, is there a specific reason you are using the 8xl.

I got my pede (full FLM widened and lengthened, MM, 5700kv, 3s) up to 60. I think it was geared like 19/86. The nice thing about the MM is a controlled the punch and modified the throttle curve to help keep the front end on the ground and didn't have to use weights. It still wants to try and fly though. However, I have since grown bored with it and it is on it's way out the door although I will keep the MM ESC and sell everything else.

If you are still on the plastic drive shafts don't worry, mine held up fine.

Edit: oh yeah and that was proline street hawg tires.

I agree this has been a very good read. I knew that the VXL wasn't made by Traxxas, but I wasn't really sure until I ran it, which it ran like my old feigao. Pretty powerful but still lacked. It has been a great car for me so far (3rd brushless believe it or not, thought I would know a thing or two by now :P) but I wouldn't mind going a bit more. The one thing I like about it though is the fact it has flexible wires, unlike my last feigao. Do Hacker motors have a similair wire? As the solid wires on my last Feigao were a pain. I guess my questions are a bit noobish, but i've been away from the brushless talk for a while now.
Thanks
Matt

You may be able to get 80 bucks or more for it. Try the guys on the traxxas board, and tell them it is better than the vxl!

Thanks for the kind words! I try to give as much info as possible, although most of it is seat of the pants feel. I figure that temps and top speed are handy in comparing, but the intangible feeling of power and controlability are more difficult to describe.

Hey Matt, the hacker motors are much like the feigao in that the wire that exits the can is part of the internal windings. The thickness of wire and the fact it is still varnished makes it difficult to bend. That is one thing I like about the traxas motor, the slolder plate is good for the rear mounted position in the pedes and rustys. Plus the end cap helps with damage. I may even buy one of these motors, and test in on 4s. That way I can run it on a mm and get a decent comparision to my 12s motor. Try to remove as many variables as I can!

Here is a video of one on a 4S lipo, 82mph is pretty impressive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62HDydrje_A