Originally Posted by Duster_360 (Post 243817)

I've got a SM, a UE Lightning and Dace Predator in pieces (haven't built it yet). I got duped on these whatever you want to call them setbacks - his ad had a line in about "you know UE and you know its the best" or something like that. His ad was such that you wouldn't have questioned that he was selling UE parts.

My purchase was long enough ago (July) that the ad is no longer available. I wished it were cause I was totally sure I was buying UE setbacks, otherwise I'd never paid $185 for a single pr of arms that I can assure you. The rarity of certain UE items make enable them to command pretty high prices which is what got this fake or counterfeit mess started I believe.

Billy has told me he will take the arms back subject to his return conditions and thats getting started so I don't know how thats going to come out. If I get my money back, for me its over. I'll view Billy in a different light, however, cause minimum, he knew those arms were not UE. I don't care if he made them or caused them to be made, he sold them as UE knowing they were not. Find someone who bought a pr at $185 (BIN) like I did that can still get to the ebay ad and its going to be obvious they were sold as UE.

It would be great if UE would crank out parts again, even if its just set back and high impacts, I'd be there, in line, pre-ordering like a lot of others. I've been on UE forums long enough to know that not everything that gets talked about over there happens though, so we'll have to wait and see. If Robin does make some new pieces, I will send a note of thanks to the ebay bidder who outbid me on a set of real UE set backs (they weren't Billy's) in the last minute. He won a single pr of NIP UE arms with his $345 bid, lol!! I don't know if I could ever run them having paid that kind of cash for them. Course its all relative and depends on what kind of money you make, doesn't it??

Originally Posted by shizzon (Post 243820)

I don't care what Billy has said regarding the legality of what happened, what he did was wrong morally. He mislead buyers into thinking they were buying top of the line UE stuff, and even if the parts he sold were 7075 AL, there is a lot more that goes into the strength of a product that the material choice. It is quite obvious from the pictures shown on this thread that these pieces were a far cry from the quality machining that UE is known for, and that will affect strength. If Billy makes good on his guarantee then it is a step in the right direction for him, I however would not buy from him in the future knowing know about his apparent lack of moral values and trustworthiness.