That's the main reason I can't be a Navy recruiter. I was told I was too honest and upfront that the Navy might run out of money for the sign-up bonuses, schools, and advance training my recruits will get :lol::intello::lol:.


I joined the Navy in the Philippines when the Navy base was still open. It was a hard process compared to what recruiting is in the US. Out of the 1500 who took the initial exam, only 18 of us made it to San Diego for bootcamp. I was already in college at the time so the ASVAB was a joke. It was for high school kids. Nonetheless, I scored a 98 but can't go into Nuclear school, officer programs or advanced technical fields because I was not a US citizen.

I don't regret anything though. I'm happy that I reached my goals while in the Navy. Free education and the ability to have my kids use my G.I. Bill entitlements is a very big plus. Besides, the Navy gave me the opportunity to get another college degree for the cost of my books.

My two cents.. :whistle:

There was article I was reading a few days ago about recruiters, it involves extremely long hours (10-15hrs a day), you get beat up by the parents and have your boss's yell at you for not be able to recruit / meat your quota when we are in what 2-3 wars now:neutral:

It’s a HIGH suicide rate job :surprised:(PLEASE DONT DO IT)... :no: in the last few months more than (5) recruiters took their own life!???

AGAIN DONT DO IT!..

I need to read everything here and I know Jerry wrote somthing up, I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say!.. he's the MAN, He's been in for the last 25+ years (i think).. ASK HIM!!! he'll tell you the truth (good or BAD)..

just admit it Shaun youre scared to get a cap in the belly. Its cool I admitted it lol I see one homie drop and its on though

Go navy
 

Yea there have been a lot of laws and rules that prevented people from doing what they wanted to do in teh military. When I joined in 1977 there was a federal law in place that stated juvenile court records had to be destroyed in order to protect their adult future and give them a second chance so to speak. That was the only reason that I was able to get in. Now with kids doing things like murder, and armed robbery they have to keep those records open for gaging future career criminal behavior. Some of the rules protecting military entrance seem foolish, but most are there to protect our nations security.

Yea they wanted me to be a recruiter as well, but I can not tell people lies just to sell them on a life altering decision because of reaching quotas. I believe in Americans supporting our country by serving in some sort of goverment service as a stepping stone. Here in Korea it was manditory when you turned 18 to serve in either one of the military srevices or the police force for two years as a means of proving your allegence to the country. It helps the young people appreciate the law from the perspective that they are there to protect not only their country's interests, but their families well being. This in turn keeps families less likely to engage in criminal activities,because everyones child must serve. That is why Korea has one of the lowest crime rates in the world considering the size of it's population and space available. The compulary laws have been suspended for now due to governmental changes.

I know hearing some of the crapp kids are doing these days that I believe in everyone serving at age 18 or enrolling in college. Either way they will be doing something productive while trying to figure out what to do with their lives.

Here you GO.. Bottom lined from JERRY for you!.. :whistle:

Best of luck in what ever you decide sir!..

P.s.
Jay, you can shoot a nat ass at 300 yards haaa..:whistle::lol:


That's impressive!.. :intello: I'm your freind rite :rofl::rofl:

I can tell BS from a mile away man thats why I was in sales, can't sell a seller. After 911 though I was like what can I do. Im in Manhattan getting possibly murdered and they told me im too old and fat LOL ...SO I moved to long Island

Id never shoot any of you....unless the money was right

Noooo I'm 41 years old now :gasp: :lol:, my glory days are all far behind me :yes:.. but I'll back anyone who stands for the (truth, justice and the American way) :angel:

:na::na: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

lol mee too I can sit infront of a soldier and probably take 45 rounds as a death dummy while they do their job, guess me and my beer did theirs

You guys crack me up. Shoot the wings of a nat's ass at 300m, sounds about right. As for me being a recruiter, never, I learned the facts because I am still in. If I had known before I got in, I would have made a different choice and gone to college, then the Army.

Such is life.

I am currently serving stateside, Army, that's why I know so much now. I tell all my little soldiers to go OCS or Green to Gold, or Warrant. I want to help these young kids succeed like crazy. Some of them are dumb as rocks and they love the Army for it. They don't need to think. Do what someone else tells you all day long and your fine. (The funny part is, that's the gist of real life to, just we do it in uniform.)

I still know the bad side of Military service, the stuff that no one talks about, I just haven't had to deal with it, yet. Deployment, not that bad. Having your wife cheat on you while you are 12k miles away, bad. Getting moved every couple of years, not that bad. Watching your kids lose all their friends every couple of years because you are changing duty stations, bad. Getting killed while fighting for your country's freedom, not that bad, kinda good actually. Getting killed in a training accident because some dumb 22 year old officer thought he knew better than you and you've been in for 10 years, bad.

For the most part the military is not that bad, not that much different than real life, just a little harder. But you get what you put in, and what ever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Just remember that real life is hard, no matter what job you have, Army, Navy, Mechanic, Doctor, Lawyer, Account. You just get one big perk in the military, the people you work with will die for you. Do you think the guy at Arby's will take a bullet for you? Well? Do ya?

One other thing about the services is that you don't necessarily need a college degree or have to go the officer route. There are many technical jobs that translate well to the civilian/federal sector. My military experience was directly responsible for all my employment post military and I'm only a high school grad. Concerning recruiters, get any promises in writing if you can.

Pros & cons.
 

You guys are correct again. There are many pros & cons to every job military or civilian. I have had a lot of both in my lifetime. I was in the Navy for just over 20 years and loved it, and I have now had more than 10 years since in the civilian sector. Yes the officer programs are a great tool for those who can excel in those areas, but just graduating from high school and being one of the guys who moves up through the ranks "The hard way" also has its merits. I have been really disapointed working in the civilian sector due to the lack of loyalty from employers. Wheather you go military or not it is my experience that working for the US Goverment in general is the safest route for job security,especially with an economy like the one we are facing right now.

I now work for the US Gov whenever I can find an opening. Due to my wifes career choice working for the US State Department I get to travel with her now and find jobs wherever we go in the world. After serving in the Navy I love traveling around the world on your tax dimes. The benefits we receive from the Foreign Service are second to none from my experience. Solid competitive pay, free housing & utilities, gov retirement, and 401K, great medical, and tons of family assistnace. My kids are going to DOD school here in Korea that the goverment is paying $15K each for. This and any other goverment service is a great job to move on to after serving in the military for follow on emplyment.

I already receive nearly $2K a month, and will soon accumulate enough time to draw a second penssion from this and will combine the two for one penssion received immediately upon retirement, plus Social Security upon turning 67. So my life is pretty much set financially although I might not get rich I will be just fine making somewhere in the neighborhood $4K to $5K a month until I die(hopefully in my 80's or 90's). So if you have managed to keep your nose clean as a juvi eveyone has the same opportunity if you just do your research and make good choices. 4 of our 8 kids are now working for the Gov and acquiring college degrees for increased earning potential. 3 are still living with us (10,12,& 13), and one is trying to find her way through the working sector the hard way. To each their own.

Sounds like we have a lot of guys here who are for the military...

Not that I am against it, but I have a feeling that some angles to your querry were not addressed.

How good of a student are you? Are you dumb as a box of rocks, or do you ace every test? Have you taken any of the SAT or ACT tests? Do you qualify for TOPS, or whatever it is called these days? Depending on your grades and social situation you can get all sorts of grants, scolarships and other assistance. Student loans are for the dummies that can't work the system, financial aid is there and quite a bit of it is free/no need to pay back.

I did good in HS, graduated with a 3.85 gpa, 30 on the act and got a 99 on the asvab. I had some really high ranking officers (3 of them) come to the school and specifically talk to me. They wanted me to be an air traffic controller, said it was the highest paying job they could offer me... Sounded good, but I had a free ride to college, room and board paid to (cause of the grades, and some slick essay I wrote)...

Point of all that is that college was not for me, so I dropped out, bought my dad's business and make it happen (life) every day. A good buddy of mine was in ROTC in HS, did the rotc thing in college (all paid for) and was the leader of the training platoon at ft polk in northern LA. He is in iraq right now, doing some sort of special ops training thing with a bunch of special forces guys. From what he said it was the best deal for being deployed, only about 4 months and not on the front lines. He is a smart guy (but he had the cheating wife issue) and a great friend. Hope he makes it home safely. He decided to make a carreer out of the army and then plans to get into the fbi or something like that. From what I can tell there are alot of oportunities with other branches of the government for retired armed forces guys.

All I can say is explore all of your possiblities before you do anything. The armed forces look like a great way to get some real world experience, learn some humility, and make friends/colleagues that will help you thru life. As long as you take it seriously (this is the hard part) you will learn alot.

The armed forces was not for me (gimpy from car accidents) and neither was college (too many stupid teachers on power trips). So I work for a living, but I call the shots so I guess that I have it made...

Best of luck, and I am sure that nobody goes into the armed forces expecting to get shot...

Truly
 

James is right. Truly the best way to go is to get a college education up front if that is for you, and use that as your stepping stone to a better paying career, wheather that be military or civilian. Having a degree will lead you to higher paying jobs no matter what field you choose. We all have to follow our own dreams and just do the best that we can. I still see even today some of these young punks complaining about how rough they have it, because they do not have the right opportunities to jumpstart their carrer dreams, but that is just plain lazyness on their part plain and simple.

There are litterally thousands of opportunities that can make you rich or propel you into financial security if you do your homework and make the effort to do something productive with your life. I grew up in the projects and I could not wait to get out of that environment and make something out of my life. Most of the guys I grew up with from that place in my childhood have either ended up in jail and have either died from AIDs, or have been killed due to bad choices of their own. Life will give you what you put into it. Sure there are stumbling blocks that will fall in your path stopping you or slowing you down. but it is up to you to overcome them and move forward. there are occasional freak exceptions to the rule, but THERE ARE NO FREE RIDES IN LIFE, SO STOP HOPING FOR ONE. The Lottery is usually a 4million to 1 chance for financial freedom. Ed Mcman is not knocking on your door. So get off of your butt and get moving. No one is going to make your furtune for you. Have a great life and work hard for what you get. In the end all you will have is your own dignity and pride for what you have done in your life.

lots of replys since ive logged on... where to start..

ill just adress the points that i remember.

someone said that i need to start doing something with my life or something about i should be in college and i just wanna say that i am enrolled in my community college taking 5 classes so even though i am not sure how i am paying for college... i am going!

secondly... i talked to my mom about it for a couple minutes this morning and she really doesnt like the idea of me being in the military, but that is pretty typical.

i am going to look into talking with a couple recruiters in the next couple weeks and see how that works.

do they pay for my room and board while im at colllege? is it a FULLLL ride or do they dish out a couple thousand a year? if i go with the ROTC

i know the recruiters will tell me all this but id like to have some type of knowledge so they cant BS the crap out of me.

sorry if i didnt adress all the thoughts you guys had but its time for school!

have a good one and thanks alot