Well, unfortunately, it turned into a "He Said - She Said" debate instead of a data comparison between the two types of packs. Both "sides" were somewhat guilty of turning it into that.

If you had several MA Lipos that failed, it really has no bearing on the quality or validity of these particular packs. He did make a good point on pricing - if you don't like it, don't buy it. Their pricing is compatible with A123's pricing, and I have yet to see many forums filled with A123 bashing due to the pricing.

I for one have no doubt that the Asian built packs are factory rejects. Does that mean that they wont perform as well, maybe not - maybe so. Until there is long term testing, no one will know. Even if you were to have both packs brand new, they may perform as well right off the bat, but a factory "second" could start to show its deficiency down the road as it may "age" faster....

I am not a MA fan, and choose to not pay for what I percieve to be a product that is not as good as equivelently priced packs. But, I also wont tell someone that they wasted their money on them.

If MA couldn't show proof like Castle did of their factory, then how do we pay for what they say? It sounds like MA is just a chop shop that buys the packs assembled from Asia. They claim they build the packs here, but where's the proof. My Dodge RAM 1500 4.9L used to get 50mpg city and 100mpg highway. I have more money than Warren Buffett and Bill Gates combined. I'm not from Brasil. I have a Atomic Battery and a few vehicles have been left on full throttle for months now running a super test, the motors are spinning at 3,000,000rpm and the ESC is putting out 1000A in a tiny packs half the size of a Tekin R1/RS ESC. Speed is unknown, but it looks like 2,000mph. Awesome stuff you know. My teeth were pulled out in favor of diamond ones and I can bite through basically anything. I also have a cure for all the darn viruses and diseases. I'm a great speller without the need of a spelling tool. Also, 1+1=11.

lol, pretty big claims there. Some could be true I suppose. Speed could be 2000mph...in space. The spelling part could easily be true. But 1+1=10 (in binary). :smile:

lol. Forgot that part, yes, the vehicles are in a vaccum (Edit: did I spell veccum correct, darn spelling program just ran out of my laptop) chamber I made out of clear paper, strong stuff. Got some crazy things going here, so here's a link..........>>>>>>>>>>right here>>>>>>>>>>>see it>>>>>>>>>>>>>it's there I tell you>>>>>>>>>>click here.

lol, it's "vacuum". And no, I don't use spell-checkers. :wink:

Cool, thanks for the correction. Did you see the stuff in the link. Everything I said is true :yes:. I'm wearing my spec ops super strong suit now and will test if by standing in front of a tank's barrel. This paper thin material will stop anything and is supper flexible. I was also able to make a device that stops light and I should be able to make a light saber soon. I have been chewing a gum for the past few months now and it supplies me with everything needed to maintain a balanced diet. Have you seen the hair thin wire that pushes unlimited AMPs through it? Crap, my car just floated away, I forgot to turn the anti gravity module off.

You must in marketing. :smile:

This is not lutach, this is his clone. He made a few of us fairly easy. He should be back soon. He said he went to get blasted by his home made tank. Cool tank btw, it turns into a back pack for great mobility.

Ooohhhh! Our very own walking talking 15 axis NC machine....!

Good stuff and true :lol:.

You guys are not :lol: going to believe this.....I just finished talking with Albert Einstein....Yep, he thinks I'm a genius. I can't :lol: believe it myself. Awesome MA day.

Did you steal the atomic battery idea from him? Or was it the other way around?

[/SIZE]That wasn't my idea, it was MA's idea, can you believe that :lol:. Hold on......Mr. Tesla just told me I'm a genius too....I can't :lol: believe it. This day is going great (Tiger style).

lutach, by any chance, are you posting all this via a proxy typist from within a nice cushiony room wearing a special restrictive jacket?

Good one, but no. My laptop reads my mind, I am sitting in my magnetically levitation cushioned chair that lifts me using the iron in my blood and I got on now my UnObtanium super invisible MA style ThermalHydroElectro Dynamic jeans. My clones are walking around naked though. You won't :lol: believe what I just found out. My little super set up is running at 99.999% efficiency, but when I put a never ending torch to the motor and heated to 1000C, the efficiency went up to 200%.