It was in response to the suggestion that because it's BP (British Petroleum) the UK should clean it up. As I understand it, there have been several offers to assist batted away...

Sometimes those countries "in need" may have preferred the US didn't come and "help" :lol:

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Good stuff Red.

However, I do agree that Alex Jones speaks alot of truth, I don't fully trust him anymore just from things he has said and done... I feel suspicious of him. For instance, how on earth did he get into Bohemian Grove without the security catching him? :neutral:

I don't neccessarily trust any of them. But I did try to give a small cross section of varying perspectives and persuasions. I must have watched 50 videos yesterday (no RC- weather was crap!) and we have people from across the board saying more or less the same thing, that's the frightening thing. Knowing there are simple methods available to abate this mess, (such as the hay method you posted, and oil-eating microbes, etc.) it's hard to draw any other conclusion than they are letting this happen.

Another spectacular example for the world of our "disaster response" capabilities. They say now that around 10,000 barrels are being corraled with the cap. That doesn't change the fact that hundreds of millions of gallons (or much more) have already made it into the ecosystem and that only a percentage of it will ever be cleaned up. If you are inclined, you can fnd lots more info about how Obama has been one of BP's major recipients, how SWAT teams were sent to rigs in the area, how other nation's offers for help have been refused, and so on.

Absolutely sickening.

Comming out.
 

Some of the truth is slowly leaking out, and according to actual estimates the real level of the disaster is much worse than first reported(SURPRIZE). Considering that now BP is estimating that 500,000 to 1,000,000 gallons of oil has been leaking from the well each day. Multiply that average by what, 40 days there is already 20 to 40 million gallons of oil floating somewhere in the Gulf, that will eventually come a shore.

The only real solution for even begining to clean this mess up is to skim it off the top of the surface as it shows up with huge skimmer ships, and burn what is left. AND until they get this leak stopped it will do very little to stop the damage because we can not keep up with the amount of oil being released every day.

The real kicker here is that this dispersant that they have been spraying all over the oil only does one thing. It helps to sink the oil below the surface. What does that mean? Well if you have been watching the news they keep mentioning that there are plumes floating just below the surface. The dispersant does just that. It keeps it out of sight for a while and then eventually it comes back to the surface at a later date, giving everyone the ellusion that it is not all that bad up front. You can try an experiment in your own sink. Put some oil in a sink full of water, and squirt some Dawn onto the surface. Leave it and watch what happens.

I haven't seen all the news coverage on this and I haven't heard all the proposed ideas that have been deemed unlikely to work. So I don't know just how possible this idea is or why they haven't tried it yet. I know they can weld underwater as well as cut metal. I'm aware they have cut the pipe back so I would hope they cut back to a good solid piece so that any further repairs would be strong. Why can't they slide a pice over the pipe, new piece would have an ID just slightly larger than the OD of the current pipe. The new larger diameter piece could be pre-fitted with a valve that is left open for the time being, this way the preasure of the oil wouldn't prevent the pice from being slid over it. With the new piece slid over and the valve open, weld the pieces together. Once they are certain that the weld is solid, close the valve and then put a permanent cap on it!

To me this seems logical and should work.

Keep in mind
 

Keep in mind that this is about 5,000 feet down under great pressure where no diver can go, and that the pressure of the oil and natural gas are also leaking out under greater pressure. There is no easy way to fix this.

Pressure is the problem. Not sure the exact depth, but it's around 5000 feet. The pressure at that depth is over 2200 psi.

I don't know what effect an arc would have on combustible sludge, even without air oxygen present. Also the shape of the severed tube is not one you could just slip another pipe over, there are extraneous fittings, tubes, etc. I'm sure there are other logistical problems they are dealing with that don't get media discussion as well.

This is why wellheads are supposed to have the acoustic switch/ blowout preventers that DICK Cheney helped the industry bypass, this should have never happened.

Forgot that part!

From a news story- "Smith estimated the oil was gushing out at a rate of 10,000 pounds per square inch, with the aim of the operation being to apply enough pressure to force "it back down into the reservoir" far below the seabed."

I'm not too sure of what to think of this, or what to say. It's a catastrophe right now but it seems the worst is yet to come. I don't know what to think anymore or what to believe from all the lies and half truths given by government officials or the billions of dollar profits company head honchos. Who is to blame? Seems like a lot of organizations and industries are at fault. Government officials for allowing deep water drilling and not making the acoustic switch mandatory, BP for their greed and not giving a damn for the world in general, Haliburton for bad cementing and so on...

I don't know who to blame for the fact that this hasn't been fixed yet. Everything gets pretty complicated a mile down under water. We have the technology to make an awful mess but we're still not smart enough to know how to clean it up.

If you haven't seen...
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And from today- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37573643...er_in_the_gulf




Nobody really knows.

Hate to admit it.
 

I hate to admit it, but I have serious doubts about them even being able to get this fixed to a point of zero leakage. Without being able to completely cover the entire well head and the surrounding plumming systems there for sure will be some level of leakage going on for many months or even years until the level of oil/gas pressure drains below that of the ocean/water pressure being exerted upon it now. Once the pressure equalizes between the oil/gas & the water then BP will be able to force the oil back into the well and seal it. Who knows how long it may take for that equalization to happen, but with the pressure escaping from that well head right now it looks like it may be quite some time before any of us sees that.

Who is at fault? We are. We all are.... It is our need for that oil that is driving the entire oil industry to do the things they are doing. That uncludes taking short cuts and overlooking saftey issues to keep the oil flowing so you and I and everyone else can drive our cars, use plastics, and purchase all of the other products that come from this crude oil. Until we as a spiecies stop depending on this oil in the many ways that we do this will not stop. We truly do need to focus our attention and resources on alternative power.

Think about this? It took our planet literally thousands of years to compress and create this fosil fuel from organic matter, and we have gone through a great % of it in just 100 years. We have already used up the easy to get to oil, and now we are digging deeaper and deeper into the planet to retrieve what is left, and at what cost? Many lives will be lost, and who knows how many other disasters we will create if we keep moving in this direction. We as human beings need to really push for more solar, wind, and hydor electric power sources to be used, before we do even more damage to our delicate eco system and create an atmosphere that is uninhabitable by whoever is left here by that time to sustain even a simpe life of survival. This disaster is much much bigger than the terrible pictures that the media are sharing with us. The size of this calamity is only just getting started, and the depth of the real disaster is going to be so great that we may not be able to undue what has been done to our surrounding oceans. Once this escapes the Gulf waters it will spread around the world faster than we can possible move to stop it.

Has to be said with all the pumping capacity I'm not sure what ther can't create negative pressure and pull water into the feeder pipe vs letting oil leak...

I can only assume that this would cause issues of separation later or the cynics could say reduced profits.

Not a bad idea. The big hurdle being getting pumps large enough for that kind of flowrate, as well as the even larger containment vessel needed to capture all of that liquid.

Its my understanding there is a fair amt of water in extracted oil anyway, so not something terribly new.

Only futher thought I had was that with the added water hydrates could form again blocking the pipe...