Actually, the only ROAR requirements I remember (that the motors we use don't meet) are that they don't have the company name stamped into the endbell and, I think but I'm not sure, solder tabs like the Novaks.

There's more than that. For one thing, the Mamba Max motors are 540-sized (the rotors). Novak/LRP rotors are 400-sized, which is what they need to be to be ROAR legal. Also, the winding pattern of the Mamba Max motors might not be right.

But hey, why should ROAR not allow these new motors/controllers? They're better AND cheaper (and the prices will continue to drop) than the Novak/LRP motors/controlers, which means they're easier to obtain for the normal person. At my local track I'll see if they'll let me race with a Mamba Max setup and 2s Lipo - wish me luck! (it's SoCal RC Raceway, and they're not the type that would normally stray from ROAR rules)

Good luck! My track doesn't really have a problem with LiPo, brushless, ect. Well...except for the fact that they make fun of the 2 electric ST's when they go down the straight....I actually found it kinda funny when they did the nitro sounds for them :005: Anywho, Quark has a system, I believe, that just came out or is coming out that is sensorless and ROAR legal :D

Yeah, there is that Quark setup (Hacker motor). It should work well, but I'll bet you can't get it for $220 when it first comes out :dft002:.

I'm sure you could get the motor for $220 if you found a good deal :p.

Just the motor or both? The Mamba Max ESC is only $135 by itself... And prices haven't even had time to drop yet. The Quark 80amp is $200 (and can't be lowered because Quark said so).

The GTB has been out for a while already, and the cheapest (non-coupon) price is about $210. That means that the Mamba Max has a very high value relative to other systems out there!

The Hacker motor that Quark recomends is only $180 then another $200 for the speedo. So I'm going to stick with getting a Mamba Max. But I'll wait for the price to come down, thanks for tell us that metalman.

Can I guarantee the quality and performance?
I've used the Pheonix 60 controller and it was really good.

anyone been able to find the estimated power output? i thought i saw somewhere that is was 1000 watts for these motors which converts to like 1.3hp

CC says 1000watts. But, that's limited by your batteries. You'll need about 10cells to get consistant 1000watt output.

The Mamba Max is very high quality. The public has known about the existance of this system for two years, which shows that CC has been working for a long time on it to get it right (and this is the reason why the Monster version still isn't out).

How many cells Will the Monster version handle?

2 or 3 more id imagine

16 cells.

What is the deal with low cell counts? I like to see some one come out with a higher cell count controllers.

Well how many people are running 16 cells in a 1/10 scale car. Then I haven't seen too many MT's with more than 16 cells.