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e-mikey 09.29.2008 10:50 PM

lol... I can't be the only one he told that the beeps may have caused a "minor issue"

DRIFT_BUGGY 09.29.2008 10:51 PM

I wouldn't mind if the new MMM case didn't have a Fan cover. Just cut that part of the case off and screw a fan into the headsink instead similar to the Losi 1/8 ESC

http://i33.tinypic.com/29q0h39.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2nqwbrd.jpg

BrianG 09.29.2008 11:17 PM

That MMM looks familiar. :wink:

Christophe 09.30.2008 03:45 AM

Hello, any news about a potential V3 serie?
It seems there is problems when we use the BEC of the controller, with Ubec or RX pack it seems it doesn't burn.

DRIFT_BUGGY 09.30.2008 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 217450)
That MMM looks familiar. :wink:

Yeah, can't remember where I got it from :wink:

Dafni 09.30.2008 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christophe (Post 217489)
Hello, any news about a potential V3 serie?
It seems there is problems when we use the BEC of the controller, with Ubec or RX pack it seems it doesn't burn.


Oh, here we go again!
Told ya guys before, we can't stop here, THIS IS BAT COUNTRY!

:lol:

(sorry, couldn't resist... another member has a Hunter Tompson avatar too)

as for your question, sadly there have been cases where UBEC equipped MMM died... but fortunately very few so far.

Christophe 09.30.2008 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dafni (Post 217495)
Oh, here we go again!
Told ya guys before, we can't stop here, THIS IS BAT COUNTRY!

:lol:

(sorry, couldn't resist... another member has a Hunter Tompson avatar too)

as for your question, sadly there have been cases where UBEC equipped MMM died... but fortunately very few so far.


Hello,

:lol:Yes it's a bad country, too much bat !! Here we go :intello:.

Thanks for your reply about the burnt MMM even with Ubec, I wasn't 100% sure ... :intello:There is a little problem with this MMM, I think it's a good thing for me to have a delayed order ...I'll probably wait a litlle before placing my order, I let C/C some months to reply to my e mails ....

GT35R 09.30.2008 09:18 AM

Haha thats rich - "the setups are damaging the controller"

more like the controller is damaging peoples setups! :gasp:

My setup has worked with 4 different ESC's, the MMM was the only one that
didn't like it.

At least they have sent me a $0 invoice for my modded failed MMM, so I'll call it even
for the servos the MMM took with it. :smile:

coolrunnings 09.30.2008 09:59 AM

I think 6s set ups are damaging the controller....everyone still thinks its ok to run 6s neu 1515 1y combo's with the thing. Everyone wants the worls fastest e revo and only wants to spend 150.00 for their esc...lol.

BrianG 09.30.2008 10:09 AM

I personally think there are a few issues:

1: People running 6s setups AND high KV motors AND geared too high. That combination pulls too much current on startup.

2: The BEC is too prone to problems. While they're designing it, they should also add some catastrophic failure circuit to the BEC output. Would still cause the ESC to fail, but at least your servo(s) and receiver would be saved.

3: Case is a poor design. IC/parts contact the bottom, throttle/switch wires could be chafed on the case, and (on V2) the bullet connectors are much too close to the heatsink. Also, if they insist on leaving the fan, allow it to be replaced without having to take the case apart.

RBMike 09.30.2008 10:52 AM

I'm running 5S & a 1700Kv Nue in a RC8, Far from an extreem set up. No way my set-up killed 4 MMM bec's & not the other 2 (these 2 have the fan grills removed & the fan connector removed from the bottom board). Sure is a weird thing. 4 MMM's die in stock configuration but the 2 I broke the fan connectors off of and removed the fan grill from are working like a charm. I feel a large % of the problems are mechanical (not including the bad chip on V1's).

lucias 09.30.2008 11:24 AM

I am excited to hear about V3.. My V2 died after 3 battery packs and my V1 died last night.. the fan had quite a while ago but I had put a fan on top of it I was running at my track when all of sudden it just quit...

killjoyken 09.30.2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 217544)
2: The BEC is too prone to problems. While they're designing it, they should also add some catastrophic failure circuit to the BEC output. Would still cause the ESC to fail, but at least your servo(s) and receiver would be saved.

3: Case is a poor design. IC/parts contact the bottom, throttle/switch wires could be chafed on the case, and (on V2) the bullet connectors are much too close to the heatsink. Also, if they insist on leaving the fan, allow it to be replaced without having to take the case apart.

These have been problems since V1 that should have been addressed on the V2. I really wish they could get the int bec working right. Since I've had to add a ccbec I've once again had to plug it into the bat/bind plug on my 3100 rec and now I'm losing bind when I shut it off.

All of this is taking the fun out of the hobby for me. I just want to run my Savage.....is that too much to ask? :tongue:

e-mikey 09.30.2008 05:28 PM

jay what's your email?

Dagger Thrasher 09.30.2008 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolrunnings (Post 217542)
I think 6s set ups are damaging the controller....everyone still thinks its ok to run 6s neu 1515 1y combo's with the thing. Everyone wants the worls fastest e revo and only wants to spend 150.00 for their esc...lol.

Respectfully, I disagree (not trying to bash you here:wink:). Castle *recommend* 6S with the 1515 1Y, and will have designed the controller to take the current with that kind of voltage. I don't think anyone's even managed to thermal a Monster yet, anyway...most of the catastrophic failures (flames) have been fairly random. They could even be a minor software glitch; maybe, for whatever reason, something's confusing the software momentarily, causing it to send incorrect commands to the FET controllers (or whatever controls the FETs), and poof; flames. They did say they're releasing a new software revision, afterall.

It's all just speculation right now, but I can't see that just running the controller perfectly within spec is causing the issues. 6 months ago it would have been expensive to get this kind of reliable power (assuming the MMM will be reliable with V3), but technology just becomes cheaper.

hemiblas 09.30.2008 06:52 PM

Now that I am remembering back to my run, It had done a single cartwheel before it stopped working. I have read about a couple peoples MMM that stopped working after a landing or being jolted somehow. Then it stopped and I reset it. Worked for 10 seconds then shut down. I got the same blinking lights then fading some people have posted. I dont think my setup of 4S and a 7XL had anything to do with it.

My only concern on the 6S setups is that some people are not taking into account the amperage spikes that could be occuring. On 6S and geared high there could be voltage spikes in the hundreds of amps. A lot of these people are running 5000mah cells in 3S config series for 6S total. I dont think most 5000mah cells are up to the task of providing the current needed. I not an expert on ripple currents or anything like that, but I am not sure how the speed controllers react to asking for 200 amps of spike, but only getting 100 in return from the battery.

My 7XL setup geared for 39mph sees spikes of about 80A. For every mph over that I'm sure there is a huge increase with motor inrush currents and its not a linear factor.

pullinteef 09.30.2008 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killjoyken (Post 217644)
These have been problems since V1 that should have been addressed on the V2. I really wish they could get the int bec working right. Since I've had to add a ccbec I've once again had to plug it into the bat/bind plug on my 3100 rec and now I'm losing bind when I shut it off.

All of this is taking the fun out of the hobby for me. I just want to run my Savage.....is that too much to ask? :tongue:

I think if you switch the CCBEC plug from the bat/bind slot to the aux slot it might fix the problem with having to re-bind. it did for me, and is listed on castle's CCBEC page.

e-mikey 09.30.2008 09:28 PM

I'd like my apology.. ;)

jayjay283 09.30.2008 09:35 PM

I, Jason, apologize to E-mikey for calling him out, on what was said. I was wrong, he was right. Though you are still a MMM burning up n00b :intello: good ?

slimthelineman 09.30.2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemiblas (Post 217733)
Now that I am remembering back to my run, It had done a single cartwheel before it stopped working. I have read about a couple peoples MMM that stopped working after a landing or being jolted somehow. Then it stopped and I reset it. Worked for 10 seconds then shut down. I got the same blinking lights then fading some people have posted. I dont think my setup of 4S and a 7XL had anything to do with it.

My only concern on the 6S setups is that some people are not taking into account the amperage spikes that could be occuring. On 6S and geared high there could be voltage spikes in the hundreds of amps. A lot of these people are running 5000mah cells in 3S config series for 6S total. I dont think most 5000mah cells are up to the task of providing the current needed. I not an expert on ripple currents or anything like that, but I am not sure how the speed controllers react to asking for 200 amps of spike, but only getting 100 in return from the battery.

My 7XL setup geared for 39mph sees spikes of about 80A. For every mph over that I'm sure there is a huge increase with motor inrush currents and its not a linear factor.

Your 80A was math or measured amps? just wondering. i would hope that castle would not recomended 75A cont. rating for your cells and sell it with a 1515 1y. i run on 6s 1512 1700kv and have had a total of 4 stop working. 1- died in calibration 2- worked for ten laps then stopped 3- turned on blipped throttle to check ok turn it off put on tires go outside turn on nothing 4-worked for 5-6 mins driving in dirt lot at work pulled car up to check temp, died. was running mech. brakes too. castle approved of the setup i chose as well. not a speed run car i like to race, dont like to drive unless at the track but couldnt help it that morning. people were starting to think i was crazy cause i had been telling them i would bring it when it was done for like 3 months. when it ran it was FAST(15/46== 38mph)and nothing was above ambient temp.(75*) i would think if it was spiking in the hundreds of amps something would at least warm up.

it is indeed a mystery to what is really happening and cant wait for my v3 to arrive so i can get a full pack in :mdr:

hemiblas 09.30.2008 10:43 PM

The 80A was a measured peak on my wattmeter. I run about 42A continous at top speed on 4S on a stock emaxx geared 20/68. If you are running 6S and you are geared for 38mph your amp peaks would be even less than mine. I think some of it might be people that are geared for 45mph on 4S and then decide to throw in some 6S lipos on the same gearing to see what happens. Again thats a small percentage. I think most failures have been BEC related if you look at the data on the failure posts. Something to think about is that most emaxxes have 2 servos. Maybe they are pulling to much current for the BEC?

Christophe 10.01.2008 02:19 AM

Hi all, do you think we can expect a reply by e mail from C/C or do they definitively stopped reply? :(

jayjay283 10.01.2008 03:15 AM

Patrick will answer, you dont seem to have a question for him though

Christophe 10.01.2008 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayjay283 (Post 217857)
Patrick will answer, you dont seem to have a question for him though

Hello, my question is : Can I have a reply to all my e mails? (I'll resend once again today ...)
I just wanted to place an order, I'm C/C reseller for France and it seems impossible to buy anything :no:.

Pdelcast 10.01.2008 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christophe (Post 217863)
Hello, my question is : Can I have a reply to all my e mails? (I'll resend once again today ...)
I just wanted to place an order, I'm C/C reseller for France and it seems impossible to buy anything :no:.

Who are you trying to contact? (and what email address are you using?)

Thanx!

killjoyken 10.01.2008 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pullinteef (Post 217745)
I think if you switch the CCBEC plug from the bat/bind slot to the aux slot it might fix the problem with having to re-bind. it did for me, and is listed on castle's CCBEC page.

I can't. I'm using mechanical brakes and have to use the aux slot for my brake servo. I think I'm just going to ditch the CCBEC for a receiver pack, and I hate receiver packs! It's either that or order the SportBEC from Mike. I love how you can plug the esc into the bec!

Arct1k 10.01.2008 02:56 PM

If you have set the voltage on the BEC you can just "remove" the orange wire on the bec lead - It is this what causes the issue (IIRC the signal wire looks like ground on startup and hence the rx thinks it needs to rebind) OR CC IIRC will swap the bec for a newer model which doesn't have this issue OR you can use a Y adapter on one of the other channels.

Christophe 10.01.2008 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 217965)
Who are you trying to contact? (and what email address are you using?)

Thanx!

Hi !

My e mail : cbracingmodelisme@gmail.com

I just want to place an order for some products : MMM and Neu motors ...

I resend my e mail to all the adresses I found on your website.

suicideneil 10.01.2008 06:12 PM

Huh?

You dont need to contact Castle via any special channels to place an order- go to their website, and order your motor from this page:

http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...motors/nm.html

They arent selling any MMMs at the moment since they are being re-worked, but you can still buy the V2 model from Rc-monster or a few other places, like ImpaktRc and Amainhobbies etc.

Arct1k 10.01.2008 06:13 PM

I think he's a local french dealer - so is after dealer prices...

Christophe 10.01.2008 06:19 PM

Yes I'm a reseller but it seems difficult to work with C/C :(, I can easily understand they are very busy at this moment.

Arct1k 10.01.2008 06:22 PM

I would do like Mike does and work through a volume distributer...

suicideneil 10.01.2008 06:25 PM

Ah, fair-dos.

E-fanatic 10.01.2008 10:12 PM

Any chance that the new combos will be out this month? I see all the webstores say mid Oct??? Will the v3 be done in time? I cant wait but have no choice.

commando 10.02.2008 02:12 AM

I would say it'd be highly unlikely that the combos willbe out by Mid Oct. As far as I know, the V3 is still getting worked on and will ship in about 2 weeks. 2 weeks = Mid Oct!

Also, we havnt received any word on the Castle Neus... Im thinking they are dedicating more man hours towards fixing the MMM's than the motors :D

This is all speculation.... who knows. They might start shipping before Mid Oct!

Ive got my combo on pre-order so hopefully when they're released Ill be one of the first to get one shipped out to me!

e-mikey 10.02.2008 09:39 AM

History tells us that they wont ship until Dec. Just my opinion.

E-fanatic 10.02.2008 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-mikey (Post 218341)
History tells us that they wont ship until Dec. Just my opinion.

NICE:lol:

badassrevo 10.06.2008 12:26 PM

My V1 is still running fine with a small fan mod and case mod. I would really like to see the V3 roll out soon.
it will really help open up 1/8th electric when there is a plug and play ESC and motor combo.

Christophe 10.07.2008 12:15 PM

Hello,
Castle creations still don't reply to my e mails, I sent to all the e mails I could find on their website... is there any other adress?
Thanks.

Sower 10.07.2008 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christophe (Post 220244)
Hello,
Castle creations still don't reply to my e mails, I sent to all the e mails I could find on their website... is there any other adress?
Thanks.

Hey Christophe . . . are you sure you are ok to post a link to your store selling brushless stuff? I realize it's not in the U.S., but I still thought that wasn't allowed on this site as it takes potential business away from Mike. Not trying to bash or anything, just an observation.


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