Tempted, how is this truck a failure on Traxxas' part? If they set out to build a comp crawler, then yes they failed. They didn't set out to build a comp crawler. They just wanted to make a version of the Revo that was more capable on a trail, and they appear to have succeeded in my opinion.

Also, where have you seen that this isn't a metal geared tranny? It appears to me to be the regular metal E-maxx/Revo tranny with the metal 2-speed option in it. While we won't know until they're tested, I am optimistic that these drivelines will hold up just fine.

I do agree though that even metal gears will likely not hold up to switching the gears or locking the diffs on full throttle.

I understand that you harbor a lot of bad feelings toward Traxxas, but please don't let that tint your glasses the wrong color toward their products until they're actually tested.

Tempted the e-maxx and e-revo have the same plastic geared tranny and many of us have gone on to install the 2 speed with a brushless with no issues? Why would the summit be any different?. I have the e-revo and I can tell you this I will get the summit b/c it does what the e-revo cant. Its for a different perpose. Also if you are going to try to slam the lockers in on this thing at high speeds you deserve it to be broken.

exactly:yipi:

I'd be surprised if they didn't use the optidrive to disable locking unless stationary...

The Revo and Maxx have plastic geared trannies..... Also, the Revo and Maxx don't have the ridiculous gearing this has. I'm not saying it is a bad thing, but it will put huge amounts of torque down which will stress the gears. And we(not everyone) break gears all the time in the Maxx trucks without this gear reduction. Think of all of our diff failures, and that is normally with tall gearing. This will more than double the torque to the ground which more than doubles the stress on the parts. As for Traxxas, I still enjoy some of their products. I feel the Summit and brushless Revos are fails. They gave us no, zero, zip more options than we already had. The Revo features a system that is easily purchased and that most already have. They just stick it on there and "introduce" an all new brushless Revo. There was no R&D, no development and no Traxxas badged large scale system. I love that they introduced the E-Revo and Slash/Slayer trucks. I love the brushless ready E-Maxx and Revo drivelines. The Summit is a slow, lumbering truck that won't handle and doesn't seem to be able to crawl. Everyone has their own opinions, mine is that this truck is a terrible idea. Kids who want lights and an exo-cage will buy it.

I not a kid(Heck I have 3 of my own) and dont care about the lights or body(thats not what attracted me). Its different. All my rc trucks have been for speed and handleing. I think that the summet will be something to just sit back and have a little slow speed fun with and I will have a spare parts for it from the e-revo if needed.

I had a brushless lst2 and in its low range it was really slow but didnt have the lockable diffs and it handled so well it was uneventful at slow speed. So it was only fun at 50mph. I think this will be a nice change.

The thing is Traxxas has always had a low speed, all-terrain truck. Its the E-Maxx. You can gear down in 1st gear and have all the low end torque you need. The Revo suspension isn't going to help this truck. This truck obviously isn't intended to handle well and that is where the Revo's suspension works best. The Revo isn't going to share anything but the suspension design, the trucks are completely different. The diffs, driveshafts, bulks, arms, turnbuckles and pretty much everything else are all different. I don't buy the "have spare parts from my Revo" argument that many are holding. We could always throw a spool in our Maxx trucks and have the same traction. And it would work just the same as the lockers in the Summit. Honestly, how much time is going to be spent on the road in the Summit? A dismal top speed of less than 20mph in stock trim is going to be flat out boring on the road. So if all your doing is off road, slow driving then a spooled out Maxx will work just as well, maybe better because of the taller second gear. The truck just doesn't make sense to me.

-I stand corrected on the tranny. It has steel components and plastic gears.
-All our diff failures? I've never had one on the new E-maxx or E-Revo with brushless systems and I'm pretty hard on them.
-No new options? A new low-gear tranny, remote-locking diffs, new 7" tires, and their 4-channel 2.4GHz transmitters are all brand spanking new.
-When I first had my E-maxx several years ago, I would often have to change the diffs out to go from spools to open diffs. It was an annoying and time consuming process. I used to dream about being able to do that on the fly. This vehicle is exactly what me and four of my brothers have been waiting for, assuming its durability lives up to the current Revo platform.

Its crawling ability, handling, and durability cannot possibly be known right now so it's not appropriate to have an opinion on them. You can guess that they might not work, but we will not know until they're tested.

Implying that only kids will buy them is ridiculous and potentially offensive. Many members on this forum are adults and will buy them and enjoy them.

Valid opinions are more than welcome here. Once the truck is out and tested, then you can tell everybody how horrible it is. But if it's better than you expected, I fully expect you to acknowledge that as well.

Currently, your negativity and pessimism about something not even out yet isn't helping anyone.

Your statements can be seen just as biased as mine. You are defending a truck harder than I am disagreeing with it. If you re-read my post, I said nothing new about the Revo. Obviously the handling ability, or lack there of, is going to be a downfall to a truck with such a high CG and large tires. An E-Maxx with spools, a 72/10 spur/pinion and the wide ratio option will essentially be this truck. If you do much research you will find that even the reinforced 3905 diffs often fail because of the plastic cup. I have personally had many fail on me. As for a 4 channel 2.4ghz Tx, where? I know there is a 2.4ghz 2 channel and a new TQ4. Even those look like old TQ radios of the past. While I have my opinion and you have yours, there is no need to point fingers and say I'm wrong when we don't know what right is. I was just pointing out why I think the truck will fail and why an E-Maxx can do the same thing for much less money.

So what happened with traxxas that has you so down on them? You make a lot of good points in your thread, but you do have a pretty negative view on a truck that no one has yet tested.

I am not happy with the Traxxas forum, I am not biased against their products. If it were Losi who made the truck, I would feel the same about it. We wanted a Traxxas crawler and this is what we got. We already had a low speed off-road truck in the Maxx and didn't really need another one. I was just pointing out what I felt needed improvement and someone thought I was thrashing the company. That just isn't so. I love some Traxxas products. The E-Revo, the Maxx trucks, the Rusty and Bandit VXLs and the best starter truck of all time, the Stampede. I own many Traxxas vehicles. I just really wanted to see a crawler from them, not a jacked up Revo.

Ya I think a lot of people were expecting a crawler. It will be interesting to try in on the rocks and see how it does, but the weight distribution is all wrong for a crawler. I think traxxas looks at the big picture, which means that as much as crawling is getting popular its still not popular enough and wont get them enough sales. Selectable lockers are a nice feature, but real crawlers dont need them.
This truck will appeal to the masses. I personally think my emaxx 3905 is just a bit too low in terms of ground clearance, but its the perfect combo between speed and stability. This truck will bridge that gap.
I will agree that I think that a single 775 motor is not going to be stellar, but I'm hoping that my 970 will fit. I wanted to go brushless but I dont think thats going to work for that truck.

I saw one of the members mod an e-revo and as soon as I saw it I thought I had to have one. Here are some pics. The thing is just a monster. I was looking to build something like this, but then the summit came out. So do you think I would be better off just modding an emaxx, locking the rear diffs? Are there extended arms for the emaxx that would give it the wider/taller stance? or are those arms just for the e-revo?

I am looking at putting a dewalt 12volt motor in mine (I seen a pic of someone doing it in there e-revo) Now that motor will have huge amounts of torque and still git up ang go when need be. Hope with the low gearing and a huge motor it doesnt trash the drivetrain to bad.

The problem with jacking up a Revo or Maxx, or any other independent suspension vehicle, is the angle of the drivelines. A CV joint just can't handle the angles of super high trucks, exactly like the real thing. Think of a Chevy Z71. At high lift, the front driveshafts snap like twigs and throw the geometry off. Anyone who builds a Z71 will almost always do a solid axle swap. It preserves the geometry under any amount of lift or flex. All you need to jack a Maxx up are longer shocks and turnbuckles. But the lift will cause broken shafts and funky handling.

That makes sense. So you think the Summit is going to have the same problem then? Might be why they are limiting the speed on that thing.

I think if the Summit gets any more power than stock then yes, there will be driveline failures. I don't know if they are going to fail stock, I can only assume they will. They did, however, redesign the shafts and added a better CV joint to accomodate the increased angle. They have tried this on full size trucks which failed horribly and that is the reason I believe these will fail as well. I am almost positive they will crumble under any more power, and brushless will most certainly kill them.

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I like the wheels and tires. One more issue I see is all those servos. There is a known problem with the Traxxas units stripping the plastic gears, I can only wonder what kind of nightmare those will pose unless they are some metal geared pieces. I'm less impressed now that I was before. I do like the lights built into the bumpers.

lol, it was easy enough to strip the gears in the Stampede let alone something this big

Well I can tell you from experience.
You put a spool in the emaxx or lock any other trucks diff solid.
They really start turning like crap.
As far as locking the diffs in at speed.
As long as the tires are spinning at same speed.
There should be no issues.
I haven't seen where they posted a speed of the truck.
I would guess it should still be close to 30 mph.
The 775 motors was more powerful and faster then 2 550s.
Suspension is revo design with hi travel rockers and higher rate springs to accomendate.
It is not a rock crawler. It is not a racer. I don't do either so to me.
This FREAKING THING ROCKS!!!
The trans has a gear ratio of like 1.8 to 1 hi
4.0 + in low to one.
Where else can you get a truck to run 25 mph (not sure of top speed)
Then go hill climbing or woods bashing.
I see my next RC truck.

This could be cool.

I would love to have one! My e-revo would be for racing and the summit for the bashing. It truely is a perfect world

man. you are just a hater. :no:

How? You don't see faults in everything I listed? True, I hate the idea of the truck but that doesn't make me a hater. It doesn't make sense. Punching the numbers in this truck will run less than 20mph on 14 cells. So any bashing done at speed would be just boring. Think of the oringinal E-Maxx's first gear. Very boring, eh? This truck will be miserably boring to drive anywhere with any flat ground. It shouldn't crawl over rocks any better than a spooled Maxx truck with the same size tires. As for the 775 motor, how do you know they make more power than 2 Titans? I haven't seen any specs on them. You gear a Maxx down to 20mph in second gear and you have a truck with insane torque. And I don't know if you guys really get how slow 20mph is in one of these trucks. It is slower than most dogs running speeds. And the drivelines are still too steep of an angle. The will break under much power or tire binding. This truck will not be brushless capable.

5 servos...... 5 servos????? 5 servos!!!!! That truck is a nightmare to repair having to remove and re-set that many servos. How hard is it to just get 2 E-Maxx steering servos synced up? And how "strong" are those gears? We break those servos in STAMPEDES, they are going to fail miserably off road under any light crawling. You guys be the test rats, and if I'm wrong I will say it but I am willing to bet that as soon as these hit the streets we get complaints rolling in.

it just seems that you cant look at any of the good points on this truck.

i realize it doesnt serve too much of a purpose for some(not a pro basher or crawler) but it does have a bunch of cool features to it.

if you throw a brushless system in there i bet you can get a good 35-40 in there in hi mode. put in a single nice servo and now your down to 4:oh:
lower it a little and the angle will not be a problem.

you know that at first glance you thought it looked baddass with the tires-rims-and body. sure it will have its faults but most of it can be taken care of with a few tweakings.

i may be wrong about the truck too but we will all find out when it comes out

Tempted- you are a hater of the worst kind! An imaginary hater, living in a pretend world where your assumptions about the summit are reality. You really show your youth and ignorance when talking with such conviction about something that doesn't exist yet. Now on to your rants: Bashing at 20mph may be boring to you, but there is all kinds of bashing and all kinds of people. It will crawl much better than a spooled maxx truck, thanks to it's low gearing, high torque motor, and phenomenal articulation of the revo suspension. (ever gauge RTI, or ramp travel index, the good crawlers have, articulation helps) And have you watched the summit videos? It crawls quite well. Maybe you haven't seen specs on a 775 motor, but many of us have seen specs on almost every motor we can find. It's not a "traxxas" motor with hidden specs, it's a 775 sized motor with easy to find specs with a "traxxas" sticker on it, and according to how many watts of power produced, one 775 has more torque than two 550's. I don't know if you know how fast 20mph is. Not many dogs can run 20mph. A man walking is 3-4 mph, 7 mph is a slight jog. 20mph in a small yard is petty fast. Most racers are geared below 40, and bashing in a yard they get nowhere near top speed. You might want to get a radar gun andsee some actual speeds and familiarize yourself with them before talking or writing to forums, you really make yourself sound foolish. Nobody knows about the diffs, but the rest of the truck is brushless capable, as proven in the e-revo. 5 servos. Cool! Since 3 of the 5 are for shifting they won't see any load and won't break. The steering servfos are the new metal geared digital servos, so those won't break. You have a hard time synching two e-maxx servos? That's day one stuff, if that's too hard for you, you may want to get out of r/c and check out the forums at www.legosforkiddies.com Their toys are much more user friendly.

:lol::whip:

Tempted - you'd better watch out. _paralyzed_ has one bad ass chair......

Keep in mind that if you look into the final drive ratios 25:1 and 75:1 you will see that they coordinate almost perfectly to the stock 3905maxx/erevo tranny with the standard gears and the wide ratio 1st gear set. The tranny/gears are well proven to handle brushless just fine.

I am sure that the diffs are based off the highly successful diffs in the e-maxx and e-revo so I really wouldn't worry there. I have had no diff issues in either my 3905 maxx or my erevo.

:lol::yes:

Thank you, JTheissen, that made my day! And tempted- I agree with you on some parts, I just felt like playing the devil's advocate and stirring the pot a little. It's nowhere near as capable as a purpose built crawler or as racy as a pimped out brushless e-maxx, but I for one cannot wait to get stuck in the mud with a summit, lock in the diffs and drive my way out. I will drive it in a manner that is sensible for a bone stock traxxas vehicle and I beleive it will be fun. It may only top out at 20, but sometimes spinning your wheels and getting no where are the best times in life! L8R!

i have the older wide maxx for about 4years with the bomb proof torpedo chassis and its done it all from nasty brushless powered mud truck with f/r spools, to all out racer, i am glad to see these locking diffs i hate changing out those spools for diffs, and anything you put a brushless in your gonna have issues somewhere along the lines in drivetrain i know i have, ring and pinions mostly, over all i think its a good move for traxxas alot of people are into this type of driving style, spools put a ton of stress on everything and it sucks when you have to choose either or depending on how you want to drive that day

i saw that venom racing has a new toy, a 2.2 crawler with optional locking diffs which looks sick

Actually I am very familiar with 20mph speeds in MTs and it is mind numbingly boring. Dogs can run at 45mph by the way. Sorry if yours is slow, guess you need a brushless motor. So how many watts does the 775 make? Why would it crawl better than a spooled Maxx truck? You can gear down on a Maxx truck and have all the torque you will ever want or need to crawl. I am willing to bet you right here and now that as soon as it sees a real MT sized brushless system the truck will fail imdiately. The drive angles are too steep, the gears are too low meaning too much torque to the gimmicky lockers and the ride height is too tall paired with the soft suspension meaning it will roll at any speeds above 15 or so MPH. So your telling me the E-Maxx has no steering servo problems? Your telling me it isn't a pain in the ass having to set them every time you take a big jump? And then adjusting the shifting and locker servos is gonna be great fun. So I'm foolishly asking you to answer questions you foolishly think you know. I'm stating facts about the machine, your saying that it looks cool on the video. On papaer this truck is terrible. Kids who like the looks and want lights will enjoy it.

Come on now.

I would love be one of those KIDS that get to beat the mess out of one. It looks OK (I like a racer style myself) but as I said before all my trucks have been all about speed and handleing. The only issue is that at slower speeds they are no fun b/c they handle way too well. They also dont crawl over stuff very well b/c (again) they are set up for racing. So this truck would be something different. I can see myself playing at the sand pit, the concrete plant, and running it threw a mud hole. I wouldnt dare go put my e-revo or the lst2 threw a mud hole(heck I wouldnt take them to the concrete plant either) So again its something different than the normal and I wouldnt mind(b/c its slower) letting my kids play with it too. (its scary giving a 6 year old the controls of a 50mph 14 pound E-lst2)

Tempted- I was once young and headstrong myself. I would argue a point till no end. The fault with that logic is that you close your mind to the facts, and the argument becomes about winning, rather than coming to an amicable conclusion about the original question. If 20mph is too slow for you, I suggest not buying a traxxas summit. And, you got me, a highly trained racing greyhound can acheive 45mph, I too can google. I don't recall the exact numbers of the 775 motor, but traxxas states that the 775 has more torque than the two 550's, and they aren't in to false advertising, and you can see the same statement at kershaw designs about the very similar 820 sized motor conversion. There is a lot more to crawling than just torque. I explained in my earlier post that articulation plays a huge part in crawling, making the summit, with the phenomenal revo suspension, a much more capable crawler than any maxx truck. Apparently your reading comprehension leaves a little to be desired. About your bet: the gears have been proven. The shafts are even stronger than the well proven 3.3 shafts. Although race trucks don't sit at the same stance as a summit, that is simply ride height. While racing a truck will see full compression and full droop, going through the complete articulation of the suspension, so the steep angles you keep referring to have already been experienced and handled by traxxas slider shafts. And, back to the gearing, it's been proven. Of course a monster truck setup for crawling will roll if you try to carve a turn at 15-20 mph. No surprise there. Any experienced r/c'er knows to back off before turning to keep her on all fours. Stick around, I could teach you alot. I don't have any servo problems with my e-maxxes. If I did I would upgrade the part that is repeatedly failing, as simply repairing it and hoping for a different outcome is, by definition, insanity. Adjusting shifting servos is actually quite easy, not for you it seems, but it is a very simple procedure. Furthermore, the servos come preset, so why are you so worried about adjusting them? In fact, shifting servos are the easiest of servos to set as they only have two positions and don't need to be centered. You are not saying facts about the machine. You assume the drive line angle is too steep and will fail. You assume the gears will strip. All assumption and no fact. I don't say it looked cool on the video, I say that on the video it actually crawled over rocks that I don't think any of my maxxes could have. Thats fact. You say on paper the truck looks terrible. Maybe you should ask your mom for the big box of crayons with the sharpener on the back, so when you draw trucks on paper they won't look so terrible. If you want to talk crap about anything, upcoming or present, take it elsewhere. Nobody here likes negativity,and bashing on something just because you don't like it isn't tolerated, which is the real reason I wasted the time it took to write this response. If you have constructive criticism about something that may be sub-par, then by all means, share, but if all you want to do is say that sux, tell your mom as she tucks you in. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.:mdr:

Ahhhhh! It's a linguistic tsunami!!!!!!! :lol: Pwnt.

anybody notice how i said alot of not nice things and then ended with, "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all"???? I'm such a hypocrite............:lol:

It was self-defense. :rofl:

Sounds to me like your getting quite defensive. I'm thinking you need to spend a little less time trying to come up with big words and quizitive remarks and look at the truck as a whole, rather than just arguing to be argumentative which you are so clearly doing. Your wasting your time and mine by trying to negate my logic and insert your own. Revo suspension is great in a RACE TRUCK. Maybe you should ask your mommy to read you a copy of RC Action to explain why independant suspension sucks when you try to crawl with it while she is tucking you in. Oh and those gears you talk about, explain how you know they are strong? Because I know that large tires, low gearing and plastic parts equal breakage. If you are scared that I might hurt someones feelings about a truck then maybe its you who shouldn't be posting on a forum; what do you think a forum is all about? I, too, took english class and can phrase anything into a much more complicated argument than it should be. Tell ya what, get you a Summit, throw a brushless system of your choice on it and video the first run. If I'm wrong, I admit my mistake. My bet is that you won't post the video of your driveline exploding once those tires bind and the brushless motor puts the torque to ALL THE PLASTIC DRIVELINE COMPONENTS. You seem to be hell bent on a sub-par truck when you admit it does nothing well. I've shreaded more Maxx diffs than you can count with a "weak" dual VXL truck. The torque kills the soft plastic cups. If you think these cups are going to hold up to even more torque, larger tires and more weight maybe you should spend some time online. Oh and by the way, I didn't have to google dog speeds. I seem to be able to remember things without having to do a search every time a question may arise. I won't argue with you since it is so apparent you only intend to argue. You don't seem to be going anywhere other than trying to prove me wrong. Chill out, sit in your rocking chair and watch the sunset. I don't argue for arguments sake. I try to prove my point and get out, but it seems others like to try and disprove my comments. Lets not let this get out of hand.

why dont you just drop it.

both of you.

i havent seen so much arguing ever in this forum and i dont want this shit to start.