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KaztheMinotaur 07.07.2009 12:12 PM

Whats the link for that brake kit?

BL_RV0 07.07.2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaztheMinotaur (Post 302421)
Whats the link for that brake kit?

http://integy.com/st_prod.html?p_pro...94&p_catid=126

KaztheMinotaur 07.07.2009 12:26 PM

:wink:

I thought we stay away from Integy?

Overdriven 07.07.2009 12:37 PM

A recent rcca issue used an integy kit on a project 5t, that was "modified". But they would not elaborate on the modifications. I'm sure someone else makes a kit for the baja.

Baja kits aren't the only option for this application, there's also a couple different kits for the FG. The main concern is mounting the caliper, all will require new discs if the stock redcat hex is to be used.

BL_RV0 07.07.2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KaztheMinotaur (Post 302431)
:wink:

I thought we stay away from Integy?

"We" usually do. For certain items, sometimes it's ok.

Unsullied_Spy 07.07.2009 01:40 PM

The Integy kit is a cheap knock-off of another product, go figure. Pretty sure Baja Skunkworks made the original one. One problem I know for sure about the Integy ones is they have bad cables. Check the HPIBajaForum for more information about them before you spend (more like waste) your money.

Ryu James 07.08.2009 03:00 PM

thanks for all the discussion and ideas guys. i have been thinking all of these same things when it comes to the brake setup.

so first off i would love to run these 4 wheel disc brakes by AMS.

http://largescalerc.com/index.asp?Pa...OD&ProdID=2356

the redat hex is 22mm and the baja is 24mm but as already noted they make adaptors available so i could get those and just run baja wheels also. or i could make 22mm discs. they main obstacle with running the disc brake kits is being able to mount the calipers to the hub or wherever it is they mount. i talked with LSRC and they said a custom hub would have to be made for this to work.

so the other option is to run the brakes off the center diff outdrives just like a 1/8 buggy. this will be much easier and will be an easier custom part to make than the hubs would be. then all i have to do is grind down each side of the outdrive a bit and make 2 brake discs. i already have all the components i need to make this work. plus this route will be much cheaper than the AMS set and custom parts.

both options are still up for consideration as i wont know how "easy" it will actually be until i start on it. right now i am working on the motor mount. my pinion and spur gears should be getting here tomorrow.

i have been looking for a free CAD type drawing software online. if anyone knows of anything please let me know. right now i have just been drawing with MS Paint which is a joke. but its good enough for my machinist to work from but i would like to just design everything so its ready for the CNC.

here is a rough draft of the motor mount. i havent put in any dimensions yet but you get the idea. i will post some pics of all the brake components and setup i think i will run soon.

<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=2215motormount.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/2215motormount.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

BL_RV0 07.08.2009 03:03 PM

Looks like a solid design. Holy crap those brakes are EXPENSIVE!

Bondonutz 07.08.2009 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BL_RV0 (Post 302778)
Looks like a solid design. Holy crap those brakes are EXPENSIVE!

4 wheel hydraulic, how super cool is that ? Very !

The progress and plans you have are top notch, looking forward to seeing this monster in action !

Unsullied_Spy 07.08.2009 03:56 PM

If you go with Baja wheels and tires Hostile makes some very good ones. If you're not a patient person I'd pay someone to put them on for you though! I'm in the process of installing my new Nightmare MXes for my Baja and I'm taking a stress break because they're such a PITA (Hard compound doesn't help at all!)

Ryu James 07.08.2009 03:58 PM

thanks guys. i cant wait to get it finished.

just a heads up on rampage stuff. dont order from rampagehopups.com

i ordered 3 weeks ago and i just keep getting excuse after excuse and i dont even believe the guy anymore. I had heard good things about the owner Rob but he will never get my business again. largescalerc.com on the other hand has been top notch and gets me my parts fast and communicates well. just stay away from rampagehopups.com

guys like that piss me off! he just keeps jerking me around.

Ryu James 07.08.2009 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 302795)
If you go with Baja wheels and tires Hostile makes some very good ones. If you're not a patient person I'd pay someone to put them on for you though! I'm in the process of installing my new Nightmare MXes for my Baja and I'm taking a stress break because they're such a PITA (Hard compound doesn't help at all!)

do you have a link for these Hostiles? are they aluminum?

Ryu James 07.08.2009 04:17 PM

so i got this new 4mm blue carbon today. it is 4mm 1k fineweave which is super tough and an outer layer of blue texalium on each side. texalium is an aluminum cloth and the stuff used for fishing rods and other sports equip.

i got this stuff cuz it became apparent that i had to move the front chassis brace to the right side of the drive shaft so the motor mount could sit where it needs to. since i had to move the chassis brace i decided to make a new front top plate. and i most likely will have to make a new center top plate if i go with the mech. brakes off the center diff outdrives. so this blue carbon should be tuff enough and looks cool too.

<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=bluecarbon.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/bluecarbon.jpg" border="0" alt="bluecarbon"></a>
<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01223.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01223.jpg" border="0" alt="bluecarbon3"></a>

you can see in this pic where i had to take off the chassis brace. so the new top plate will just mount the brace to the other side.


<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01192.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01192.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat20"></a>

BL_RV0 07.08.2009 04:27 PM

Looks very nice... Damn that carbon must have been pricey. Sorry if I missed this, but what esc are you going to use.

Unsullied_Spy 07.08.2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryu James (Post 302797)
do you have a link for these Hostiles? are they aluminum?

Daves Motors (DDM, davesmotors.com) is pretty much THE place for large scale stuff. Them and TGN have just about everything you could want.

http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.88...t.A/id.3414/.f

These are the tires I just installed, they're pricey but well worth it. You can go with ProLine 40 series, but they are a ton thinner than these and you'll most likely tear the tire before you wear it out. These things last forever and you won't tear them.

Ryu James 07.08.2009 08:26 PM

not a bad little custom brushless baja 5b on ebay. probably the cleanest job i have seen outside of the one mike is doing for masterblaster.

http://cgi.ebay.com/hpi-baja-5b-brus...3A1%7C294%3A50

blanchjd 07.09.2009 10:24 AM

If you are looking for a free CAD program, Google Sketchup works pretty well, but the free version won't export to any kind of file format that your machinist can work with. My vote? Go download a torrent of Solidworks and start learning real CAD software. It makes the design process so much easier.

Ryu James 07.09.2009 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blanchjd (Post 303002)
If you are looking for a free CAD program, Google Sketchup works pretty well, but the free version won't export to any kind of file format that your machinist can work with. My vote? Go download a torrent of Solidworks and start learning real CAD software. It makes the design process so much easier.

yeah Solidworks. i was trying to remember that last night. the guy that helps me with my chassis' uses SW. what do you mean download a torrent though? i would like to get Solidworks but its pretty pricey aint it? i'm really not up to spending a cuople grand on software right now. do you know of any demos or trial downloads?

Jabe 07.09.2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryu James (Post 302800)
so i got this new 4mm blue carbon today. it is 4mm 1k fineweave which is super tough and an outer layer of blue texalium on each side. texalium is an aluminum cloth and the stuff used for fishing rods and other sports equip.

i got this stuff cuz it became apparent that i had to move the front chassis brace to the right side of the drive shaft so the motor mount could sit where it needs to. since i had to move the chassis brace i decided to make a new front top plate. and i most likely will have to make a new center top plate if i go with the mech. brakes off the center diff outdrives. so this blue carbon should be tuff enough and looks cool too.


you can see in this pic where i had to take off the chassis brace. so the new top plate will just mount the brace to the other side.


<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01192.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01192.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat20"></a>

Cant you just flip front top plate upsidedown? And use different bolts or countersunk washers? Wouldnt it fit then?
So that front brace mounting hole goes to right side of chassis?

Ryu James 07.09.2009 03:09 PM

that could be done but it wouldnt be very clean. all the holes on the top plate are countersunk so flipping it over would put the countersink on the wrong side.

the carbon setup is going to work beautifully and look stellar too. i actually should have the carbon parts done today. i will post pics soon.

just got my pinion gears today. just waiting on spur gear.

the castle hydra 240hv comes next week.

KaztheMinotaur 07.09.2009 04:37 PM

Thats unfortunate. I've always had great luck with rampagehopups.com

You don't need adapters. The Rampge axles are the same diameter at Baja axles. You just need to buy (4) Baja rear hexes. I'm running the Dark Soul extended rears.

Ryu James 07.09.2009 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaztheMinotaur (Post 303092)
Thats unfortunate. I've always had great luck with rampagehopups.com

You don't need adapters. The Rampge axles are the same diameter at Baja axles. You just need to buy (4) Baja rear hexes. I'm running the Dark Soul extended rears.

i know the brakes can fit. its being able to mount them that is the issue. the AMS brakes have 2 screws that mount right up to the hubs/spindles....at least that is what it looks like in pics that i can see. with the rampage there just isnt anywhere to mount the calipers without doing some custom work.

idk for sure without seeing all the parts in person what i could do though. do you have a 5b also? or just the rampage.

btw, check out all these parts i picked up on ebay from the same guy selling that 5b brushless i posted. i will end up selling alot of it but there were some items that i wanted that i havent been able to find anywhere on the 1/5 sites.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260442856653

KaztheMinotaur 07.09.2009 10:41 PM

Just my Rampage.

You deffinately got a lot of nice parts with that.

You can use a piece of 5/32 drill bit as a temp dog bone pin...fits nearly perfect.

Ryu James 07.10.2009 03:25 AM

so here is some work from today.

installed stainless screw kit.
a few aluminum hop ups.
hpi aluminum nuts
made carbon front top plate
installed MT front bumper. i know its a truggy but this thing needs more protection than a small buggy bumper.
bad horsie shock covers

upcoming:

installing HPI baja swaybar kit
carbon rear top deck large enough to mount speed control on
mount battery trays
custom mud guards




<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01233.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01233.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat27"></a>
<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01234.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01234.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat26"></a>
<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01235.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01235.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat25"></a>
<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01236.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01236.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat24"></a>
<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01237.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01237.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat23"></a>
<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01238.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01238.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat22"></a>
<a href="http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/?action=view&current=DSC01239.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/ryujames/DSC01239.jpg" border="0" alt="redcat21"></a>

KaztheMinotaur 07.10.2009 06:20 AM

I like the front CF brace you made.

You can wire brush that copper color off of the rar hub carriers if you don't like it. I did that to come of my copper stuff.

The stock shock shafts are very thin and bend easily. I am running the Baja front VVC heavy safts. They are a little long but you can take that extra lenght up with some tubing under the piston.

Bondonutz 07.10.2009 09:54 AM

Lookin' SHWEET !
Carbon top plate came out nice,good job.
Q; will you install a brace where the cut out is on the right side of the chassis ?

KaztheMinotaur 07.10.2009 11:29 AM

Would the 2215 2Y be too much on 12S?

Ryu James 07.10.2009 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaztheMinotaur (Post 303231)
I like the front CF brace you made.

You can wire brush that copper color off of the rar hub carriers if you don't like it. I did that to come of my copper stuff.

The stock shock shafts are very thin and bend easily. I am running the Baja front VVC heavy safts. They are a little long but you can take that extra lenght up with some tubing under the piston.

that was the main reason i bought that parts lot on ebay. it has a set of shocks with the 6mm phatdad shafts already on them. i will just end up using those. i did also already buy a set of front VVC shocks though that i was gonna use but then found that i couldnt really mount them up. if you switch the shaft do you need to switch the parts at the bottom of the shock case that provide the seal around the shaft?

Ryu James 07.10.2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bondonutz (Post 303244)
Lookin' SHWEET !
Carbon top plate came out nice,good job.
Q; will you install a brace where the cut out is on the right side of the chassis ?

a brace? i dont like how the side parts of this chassis have all the cutouts. that will just let dirt in. so i already have a fix for this. i found some huge mudguards from another 1/5 kit that match up sweet. i will be mounting those up soon. i want to keep the inside of this thing as clean and dry as i can being as it will have $1k worth of motor and esc in it. lol.

KaztheMinotaur 07.10.2009 11:59 AM

Yep, you need the VVC bottom caps also.

Ryu James 07.10.2009 12:17 PM

hey kaz,
do you know if the baja 5t body fits well on the rampage? i love the 5t body and it looks a lot more like a truggy body but i dont want to drop $180 if it doesnt fit very well. mainly i want the sides of the body to extend at least down to the chassis. i have my body posts lowered all the way and the rampage MT shell comes down all the way. just wondering if you have tried the 5t body?

btw, the 2215 can handle 12s i believe but that pretty much maxes out the rpm capability if i recall. anyway, i will be running 10s and just use gearing to get the desired speed. i used the rc calc just the other day and it estimated this thing at around 60mph with what i put in. that will be insane. i am thinking its gonna be in the 50mph range. which is fine by me. my buggy does 55mph and it is so insane already. i cant imagine this huge beast doing more than that.

Matthew_Armeni 07.10.2009 12:30 PM

If you're still considering 1/4 scale servos, here's one from Hitec for $40, puts out 343oz in .14sec at 6v.

KaztheMinotaur 07.10.2009 12:42 PM

Don't know about the 5B body. I know some FG bodies fit on though.

If I were buying new servos I would get ones from the new HV line from JR or HiTec.

nitrostarter 07.10.2009 01:04 PM

That 805 is nice servo. We use them in gas boats all the time. The only downfall is the Nylon gears...

aqwut 07.10.2009 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaztheMinotaur (Post 303255)
Would the 2215 2Y be too much on 12S?

There's never too much power...

Ryu James 07.10.2009 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrostarter (Post 303279)
That 805 is nice servo. We use them in gas boats all the time. The only downfall is the Nylon gears...

dude, i love your avatar!

so i have been looking at servos non stop the last day or two and having a tuff time deciding. i have looked at that hitec one but i wont get a servo with nylon gears no matter what they say it is rated at. just a thing. i got to have metal gears. so here is what i have found. i already bought one servo that i thought was a 1/4 servo but it turns out its regular size. just got it yesterday. its the futaba s9157 rated at 425oz so i will just keep it for the brakes.

i think i want to stick with either futaba or the hpi servo though cuz that way i can use the HD HPI servo arm.

one option is to get the HPI sfl 10 and then get the metal gear upgrade here.

http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.88...t.A/id.5654/.f

there is still one plastic gear this route but its good for over 300oz at peak torque.

then there is the new sfl 30 which is good for 250oz thru the entire sweep of the servo arm. http://largescalerc.com/index.asp?Pa...l=&strCompare=

then there is this homemade servo on ebay that is all metal gears and 310oz
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=200342803691

but whats a "programmable servo" and is the spektrum dx3r a analog or digital radio? what is the difference between digital and analog servos?

and here are the futaba servos i am considering:

http://largescalerc.com/index.asp?Pa...l=&strCompare=

http://www.servocity.com/html/s5301_...hi-torque.html

http://www.servocity.com/html/s5302_..._hi-speed.html


here is what i dont get though. how come the standard size servos put out way more torque than the large scale ones? also, when it comes to the large scale servos the nylon gear ones offer mor torque than the metal gear servos. why is this?

why cant hitec just offer a 1/4 scale titanium gear 480oz servo like their new standard size servo? that would be sweet!

i am pretty sure i am gonna get the either the futaba s5050 or the s5301. i just need to know whether i need a digital or analog servo and what difference does it make.

so many questions.


oh, and check this out! wish this would have been on ebay 2 weeks ago.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260442287849

blanchjd 07.10.2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryu James (Post 303061)
yeah Solidworks. i was trying to remember that last night. the guy that helps me with my chassis' uses SW. what do you mean download a torrent though? i would like to get Solidworks but its pretty pricey aint it? i'm really not up to spending a cuople grand on software right now. do you know of any demos or trial downloads?

Torrents - as in Bittorrent - a popular method of downloading software or media content through a peer to peer network. If you are willing to use an unlicensed and cracked version of the software then it is available for free. I'm not advocating, just making aware of options.

I use a fully licensed version at work, but at home to mess around with on various personal projects, I use the unlicensed version I downloaded. And yes it is a few thousand to purchase.

-Jeff

Overdriven 07.10.2009 10:57 PM

The 5T body has a longer wheelbase than the Rampage. The Proline 5b/5t "conversion" body might work though as it has a slightly shorter wheelbase.

I'd go with the S5301 if you're sticking with futaba. FYI the Hitec I purchased for my FG came with a heavy duty aluminum servo arm, not sure if they all do or not. As far as digital goes, it depends on your radio. Some radios can't use analog servos because of the module in them. Thats all I know, maybe someone else can shed more light on this subject.

As far as programming servos, unless its a track vehicle and your that picky or some highly specialized application (robotics come to mind) its not something most would mess with. Most high end radios have enough adjustments (epa, subtrim, etc) to not need the feature.

Ryu James 07.11.2009 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overdriven (Post 303360)
The 5T body has a longer wheelbase than the Rampage. The Proline 5b/5t "conversion" body might work though as it has a slightly shorter wheelbase.

I'd go with the S5301 if you're sticking with futaba. FYI the Hitec I purchased for my FG came with a heavy duty aluminum servo arm, not sure if they all do or not. As far as digital goes, it depends on your radio. Some radios can't use analog servos because of the module in them. Thats all I know, maybe someone else can shed more light on this subject.

As far as programming servos, unless its a track vehicle and your that picky or some highly specialized application (robotics come to mind) its not something most would mess with. Most high end radios have enough adjustments (epa, subtrim, etc) to not need the feature.


cool. thanks. i did find an article today that explained the difference between digital and analog. i am gonna get the s5050 after reading this article.

i wish i had a 5t body i could check to see how it fit. i love how that 5t body looks.

here is the article: http://www.futaba-rc.com/servos/digitalservos.pdf

brushlessboy16 07.11.2009 01:42 AM

DOh!
I just got done dismantling a perfectly good s5050, you should have been about a week earlier :(


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