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MetalMan 09.01.2006 07:02 PM

It's the tranny ratio, and the only other gear ratio is the spur/pinion, so I didn't list tranny/diff ratio. I think it might be better put under the diff ratio, and then you could put a note to select "Direct spur/pinion drive" under tranny ratio.

BrianG 09.01.2006 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MetalMan
It's the tranny ratio, and the only other gear ratio is the spur/pinion, so I didn't list tranny/diff ratio. I think it might be better put under the diff ratio, and then you could put a note to select "Direct spur/pinion drive" under tranny ratio.

I just took a look at the Stampede blow-up diagram and see what you are talking about now. I'll put the ratio under the tranny with a note. It's kinda built like the Jato tranny in that way except there isn't an extra ratio; just an input gear, and idler, and an output gear (diff).

One last question; my program actually requires me to use the actual gear tooth counts, not just a ratio. This lets me keep the precision as high as possible to avoid rounding errors. So, from buytraxxas.com, it lists the top gear as 22T. Does that mean the diff gear is 60T? I just want to verify because those tooth counts create a 2.727272:1 ratio. I can ignore the idler gear since it isn't doing any reduction.

MetalMan 09.02.2006 07:47 PM

If you were to use the 60t as the input, it shouldn't cause any problems. From your calculation it's definitely close enough.

BrianG 09.02.2006 08:18 PM

OK, the updated version is up...

[Edit]: Hey, it's my 1,000th post! :dft003:

MetalMan 09.03.2006 11:18 AM

MUCH better :). IMO I think this is the final version. The only problem now is that the theoretical speed of my Rustler is 73mph even though when running it it's only going about 50mph.

Mike.L 09.03.2006 11:30 AM

this is good for the noobies, great job brian:) really thoughtfull.:)

nieles 09.07.2006 09:40 AM

i found a little mistake a BK wanderer 9L is not 2212 but 2418
look at this

neweuser 09.07.2006 09:43 AM

Are you sure they are not listing the kv "without load"?

nieles 09.07.2006 09:45 AM

when you look at the 10L that motor is 2212 so its just a mistake

Serum 09.07.2006 12:17 PM

Indeed, the BK wanderer motors are rated under load. the 9L is 2418 rpm/v

The feigao motors are rated unloaded. if that was the mistake, the number should be higher, instead of lower.

BrianG 09.07.2006 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MetalMan
MUCH better :). IMO I think this is the final version. The only problem now is that the theoretical speed of my Rustler is 73mph even though when running it it's only going about 50mph.

Yeah, I forgot to add a note that after around 50ish mph that the top speed will probably be less than the calculated value. I'm sure wind resistance becomes a major factor. I also think terrian is more of a factor at higher speeds as well. Gentle terrain at 30mph becomes rough terrain at 50+ and the resulting jarring affects speed I'm sure.

As to the motor kv values. For the Wanderers, I list the loaded values found in the store. For any Feigao that does not have a Wanderer equivalent, I list the advertised kv from the manufacturer, which is unloaded. I actually would probably prefer to list unloaded values because the loaded values seem like a generic fudge factor to account for weight, gearing, terrain, wind resistance, and/or losses in kv from the amperage draw. This would explain why some people report faster speeds than calculated (Squee). I would like to keep the unloaded or loaded kv consistent across all the motors, but I don't know how the Lehner Basic/XLs, LMTs, Mambas, etc motors are rated. If anyone knows how everything is rated, I will be more than happy to change things to be consistent.

I don't think there will ever be a "final" version. :)

MetalMan 09.07.2006 05:47 PM

Part of my problem with achieving the theoretical speed is my range and GPS that I use. My range is limited due to glitching, and the GPS updates itself only so often, so it might not record the actual highest speed. Maybe another note you could put might say that after 50mph you need more space to hit the top speed than anything lower (for those who aren't familiar with kinetic energy [KE=V^2 x m).

coolhandcountry 09.07.2006 06:07 PM

The kv of a lmt is rated at it's most efficent rpm and under load.

tallyram 10.07.2006 08:35 PM

this calc. is getting pretty close to the real world. i shot my bl-revo with a radar gun and it hit 49mph. i then entered my data into the calc. and it read 48.7mph! pretty damn close, huh? thanks for all the work!

BrianG 10.07.2006 09:07 PM

You're welcome!

Any ideas of things to add (and not only to the speed calc) is welcome...

MetalMan 10.07.2006 10:23 PM

My thoughts are that you only need to load in more cars' diff/tranny ratios. If anyone has any to add, that would be great. In the meantime, I'll see if I can pull some up.

BrianG 10.07.2006 11:29 PM

Great! By all means, let me know...

Serum 10.08.2006 04:09 AM

What setup do you use tallyram?

tallyram 10.08.2006 03:50 PM

i'm using a g2r running with stock diffs and a flm half case tranny with gmaxx single speed and steel idler with strobe setup and 18t pinion. setup is lmt 1950/8t non high amp with quark 125b on 5s and 6s lipos. 49mph was on asphalt with wabash/crimes and probably about 3.9-4.0v/cell. i know i can break into the 50's with my road rages and a little work on the driveline, which is very fatigued! the quark is really screwy as well. hard to get going on 6s, but once moving it works great as long as i dont come to a complete stop! this thing hauls!

Serum 10.08.2006 03:56 PM

what lipo's are you using, and this was with 6S?

I just took out my mugen and reached 44.4 mph on a first charge of a set of GP3300's (14 cells, 7XL and a 9920) that buggy is heavy!

a weird thing;

if i based my calculations on 14V (relative fair for 14 cells under load) and a kv of 2145 for the motor, it should do a 39.2 mph.

I think i might change the pinion a bit. The batteries felt rather cool.

tallyram 10.08.2006 04:04 PM

my batts were barely warm to the touch, yeah 6s. the quark doesn't like that much voltage, but i force feed it anyway! i'm a little pissed that $280.00 for an esc that is rated for 6s, but can't handle it. looks like i'll have to send in my 12020 and they can maybe fix the mid range throttle problem.

Serum 10.08.2006 04:08 PM

I didn't quite understand what the problem is with the quark on 6S?

tallyram 10.08.2006 10:30 PM

its the same problem most people run into trying to run 6s, the car stutters really bad. its like really bad cogging! coolhand will confirm this aswell. if you can get it running the condition gradually gets better as the voltage drops. 5s is usually decent, but i've run into problems with it also!

coolhandcountry 10.10.2006 02:05 PM

After I get mine going on 6s it seems to go ahead and run. Just trying to get it to go is the problem. It works great on 4s though. It is almost like a phase is out. It heats the motor up some to. I think when I fried the first one it took out my motor to. That sucks taking out a 19 series motor. ARG

tallyram 10.10.2006 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
After I get mine going on 6s it seems to go ahead and run. Just trying to get it to go is the problem. It works great on 4s though. It is almost like a phase is out. It heats the motor up some to. I think when I fried the first one it took out my motor to. That sucks taking out a 19 series motor. ARG

that really sucks! i'm thinking of getting a 1950/6 and running it with the quark on 4s, how does that sound?

Serum 10.10.2006 04:33 PM

perfect.. Sounds great tally.

MetalMan 10.10.2006 08:08 PM

BrianG, there's another vehicle: Savage (43/13). This particular ratio is becoming important to me :D.

BrianG 10.11.2006 12:37 AM

OK MetalMan, the Savage has been added. Although, you could have posted the transmission ratios too ya know! I had to download the manual and find the info. ;)

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Serum 10.11.2006 01:09 AM

Brian,

the KV of the 9L is not right.

It should be 2418 and not 2212. that's the kv of the 10L

MetalMan 10.11.2006 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianG
OK MetalMan, the Savage has been added. Although, you could have posted the transmission ratios too ya know! I had to download the manual and find the info. ;)

Speed Calculator

Good point, but I didn't think of that because I won't be using the transmission :005:.

BrianG 10.11.2006 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Serum
Brian,

the KV of the 9L is not right.

It should be 2418 and not 2212. that's the kv of the 10L

OK, I'll fix that when I get home tonight.

MM; I figured you weren't using the tranny, but since the diff is up, might as well add the tranny ratios too...

BrianG 10.28.2006 11:24 PM

OK, yet another update:

First, I changed with 9L KV value that Serum was nice enough to point out and I forgot about.

Then, I added a help system. Just click the little question marks near the topic and a little window will open. For those with popup blockers: not to worry as it isn't a real popup window. :)

Oh, and I added something else courtesy of Dafni. See if you can figure it out. ;)

Speed Calculator

MetalMan 10.29.2006 12:30 PM

Slipperential :004:

squeeforever 10.29.2006 02:02 PM

Wow...Your good...I didn't even notice it...

BrianG 10.29.2006 02:42 PM

Yep, it's the slipperential!

No comments on the help system? And I worked so hard on it. :dft004:

Serum 10.29.2006 02:45 PM

Well done boy...

http://www.krittersinthemailbox.com/...gs/kc1065t.jpg

BrianG 10.29.2006 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Serum

Awww, thanks. :o

sjcrss 10.29.2006 10:50 PM

pretty cool...it just keeps getting better and better...I like the help feature along with the fact that you have the slipperential on there....

BrianG 10.29.2006 11:05 PM

Thanks!

I'm trying to develop a motor chooser for the next version. It's still in design phase, but the plan is the select the weight of the truck, desired voltage, total gearing, tire size, etc, and it will pick a couple options for ideal motors. Before it goes "live", I'll probably get some of the mods on here to take a look for accuracy.

If there is any other feature that someone would like added, I'm all ears! I'm trying to get it accurate and user-friendly enough so anyone can use it. Maybe someday it'll be a sticky. :)

squeeforever 10.29.2006 11:32 PM

What I would do is have the values you said, like weight, desired voltage, tire size, etc, but I would also have a thing were you can choose your car or truck from a list, like you have the motors.


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