No my Young friend, you must check every day or so this stuff doesn't hang around very long. Some places will set stuff out that they may be able to sell but if it doesn't sell in a day or 2 it gets recycled.

Jeff

Well last night I took a look on craigslist. Someone was selling a scooter for $25. After a few communications, they said they wanted to do a gas conversion. I threw a trade out there for my mini-bike as a roller and they took er up. I went and got it this morning. Everything is good except for the batteries. I am going to put my BL electronics on this scooter. :yipi:

It should be more efficient with the skinnier tires. It has better brakes and an optional seat. It has a larger "spur" so top speed will probably be slower.. Let's see how it turns out.

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I just got er all wired up. Works perfect! my gps tells me my top speed was 16.2mph... Not to impressive. :sarcastic: The batteries measured 23.5v at the end of the run. I hope I can crack 20 or so with some lipos...

I am going to try to hook up my multimeter to the bike and see how much my voltage drops during riding. I'll see if I can get pics up later tonight.

It's a sleeper. Maybe a little more so if I could get a new speed controller and 9s lipos under the hood... Oh how I wish I had money.:smile:

No run with volt meter tonight. My dad's making pasta and It's pretty dark out. I feel like hanging it up for the day too. Don't know how I'll hook the volt meter up.

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I love brushless stuff. :mdr:

Cool, more useful than a pocketbike. How are those electronics working for you? Do you have any interest in my SLAs? I have 3 12v 12ah and 1 18v 7ah.

Electronics are working great, but it's not quite as fast as I would like. I am going to try to gravitate away from sla's and get some turnigys.

I forgot to mention there is no losing sync or cogging! :yipi:

I have pretty noticable acceleration. I have to put one of my feet on the back and push myself forward or else I fall backwards.

And last night I went to test it after I charged the batteries, and it didn't turn on. I think the servo tester is getting too much voltage, the battery is around 12.5v. I'll need a new way to power the servo tester. I'll have to use a bec, especially after I get lipos.

16 MPH is pretty good, but it would be nice to get that up around 25-30. Think you could fit another motor in there and gear it up a bit?

:lol: That would be sweet. Dual motors, wow. Like the go Kart?

I just took it out with fresh batteries and I got 19.3mph. With the added power I need to accelerate slowly or something starts rattling real bad. Maybe it's the motor starting to lose sync... It had noticably more power and a pretty acceptable top speed. It would beat the stock scooter for sure. Looked it up and the stock is supposed to be 15mph. I would say 19mph is pretty fast, which is probably why the stock doesn't go that fast.

With some lipos I expect a full 20-25mph after what I saw tonight. Possibly more if I risked 7s.

it needs a flux capacitor!LOL, i havent been on this site long,but projects like this make this site addicting!--josh

I got some more info on the scooter. I took it for a little ride tonight. It wasn't charged after last night where I went maybe a quarter mile and topped out at 19.3mph. It was a little cold out..

Temp - 45f
Winds 5-15mph
Cloudy with Mist
Distance - 2.66mi
Time - 12:16
Avg speed - 13mph
Top speed - 18mph
Voltage at end of run - 20.8v

Crusing speed at the start of the run was around 16. Crusing speed at end of run was around 13.

Motor was barely warm, esc was ambient, and batteries were ambient. Checked temps at top of the one major hill and motor was barely warm. This is telling me my electronics can take more battery.

Mist didn't effect electronics, although I dripped some muddy water on the carpet carrying it inside. :eyes:

It did surprisingly well up hills. I slowed down from a 14-15mph cruise to 9-10mph. No wierd noises or loss of sync. I expected to hear chain gnarling or something like that but it did great. Some lipos would be much better though.

It was a pretty fun ride; I went on the bike path through the state park. I saw one bike rider. The path is pretty curvy.

It weighs a hefty 40lbs, 15lbs being the batteries. Yet another reason to get some lipos.

I'll charge it tonight and attach my multimeter. If it isn't raining tomorrow I'll try to get some voltage data.

Temp - 45f
Winds 5-15mph
Cloudy with Mist
Distance - 2.66mi
Time - 12:16
Avg speed - 13mph
Top speed - 18mph
Voltage at end of run - 20.8v


Not enough info.

We need:

-elevation
-latitude & longitude
-barometric pressure
-moon phase
-Eagletree!

lol
sounds like fun.

:lol:

I love my gps. It's a Garmin Forerunner 201.

I got some battery numbers from a quick 1min test run with a full battery. I will go on a ride around 5 miles today to the middle school and back to play football. Freshman vs Sophmores.:intello:

My 24v 12ah pbs started at 25v.
Top speed was an even 18mph.
Under hard acceleration voltage dropped to around 15v.
During full throttle crusing (~17mph) voltage was around 20.

With a nice 6s lipo I would hope to be around 18-20v under hard acceleration and around nominal on crusing.

I went on a ~5 mile ride today. It was ugly.

I had a headwind on the way there; about 10mph I'd guess. I tried offroading in grass for less then a minute and I cracked the rear fender.

I ran out of juice about a mile from my house. I kicked it home with a little assist.. I think my lead acid batteries are dead.

I bought a pair of 6s 5000mah 20c zippies. These packs will have more power, weigh 3.5lbs (11.5lbs lighter then my old pack), and should last longer then the tired lead acid packs.

I got my lipos today!

It got a little hotter then I'd like tho.. The windings got up to 175+ after a 30 second run at full throttle into the wind. It was around 160 after full throttle going in other directions. I am going to apply some thermal grease between the motor and the aluminum mount and also add a small heatsink to the outside of the motor where there is a flat spot.

Top speed was 20.9mph. Yeah! Pretty dang happy about that. It felt really fast and pulled all the way up there. Killer acceleration, but I have to go slow or something goes wrong. It might be loss of sync, but there isn't screeching sounds. The battery wasn't fully charged at the start of the run and it ended up at 3.9v per cell after 9 minutes of short runs and covering 1.4mi.

I also had a soldering mishap putting fake-deans on the batteries. The iron slipped and shorted out the pack making a huge, bright spark. I don't think the pack was damaged so it's all good. It made a nice wire-shaped spot on my tip along with a less-sharp end.

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And I guess I only have one picture of my new lipos. This is how I charged them before I moved to the concrete floor.

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The new lipos weigh 12 pounds less then the old ones with wayy more power. The scooter is pretty dang light now.

I just went out for a little testing. It was just going to be a short one, but it became a 20 minute joyride.

I got a battery monitor/lvc for my lipos. When I got it, I figured it wasn't really necessary. Man I love the thing!

A blue light that shines if the pack is above or at nominal.
The blue light flashes at 3.4-3.7v/cell.
A red light will shine at 3.3-3.4v per cell
A beeper and flashing red light starts if the pack goes under 3.3v/cell.

I started at solid blue (never checked voltage, but last night I was at about 4v/cell after the initial 30-minute partial .5c charge) and it was sold blue for the first couple miles. It then was blinking blue until I accelerated hard out of a turn when the beeper and flashing red light came on for a second. I just happened to be right by my house so I just 1/4 throttled it back. It went back up to flashing blue, meaning above 3.3v/cell.

I went a total of about 5.5mi, + 1.4mi last night off the same charge. That is a 7 mile range off a not even full charge and not full discharge. I bet I can get 10 miles easy.

Top speed was 20.5mph, average speed was 15.2 according to gps. I could cruise around 19 all day. I put thermal grease between the motor and the primary mount and the secondary mount(the aluminum plate with bends in it). I also added a small heatsink to the end. Temps were wonderful. I checked periodically throughout the night and they never got over 140 on the windings. It was usually a tick over 130. The case was well under 100f. The controller is cool and batteries are ice cold. I am very pleased with temperatures.

new heatsink
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battery monitor. The black thing above the light is the beeper. The light is pretty dang bright and the beeper is easily audible.
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My battery nest and Parallel balance harness
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I also soldered a jst plug to the main parallel connector, and I have a bec plugged into that. I had problems with too much voltage goinng to the servo tester; I hope a fully charged lipo isn't too much for the 22.2v input on the bec.

I may get a video soon..

I got some shots of the new lipos, out of their "nest"

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Sweet- need a video at some point, and any chance of a wiring diagram; all I can see is wires and bubble wrap! :lol: :intello:

Not sure about that little heatsink though- I assume it spins around with the endbell, which kinda makes me nervous about the damage it could do to your legs... maybe something a bit rounder and less pointy?.. :smile:

Yeah love the improvised sink lol. That'll drop temps at least 1-1.5 degrees!

I agree with Neil- don't let it snag a pantleg...

That is cool as shit actually. A true BL & lipo transport. So 2 more of those packs could either double your speed or range, and you could switch between parallel and series pretty easy... wanna reason to put a helmet on?

Turnigy power!

I got a good run in today. I also made a spreadsheet as a log - http://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?...vJ6qocwA&hl=en

Todays run -
Time - 26:15 of full throttle
6.95mi
15.9mph average speed
22.1 top speed [New Record!]
Pack started at 4.14v/cell, ended at 3.4v per cell.

It was 35f with a 22f windchill. 23mph NW winds. Forecast said snow. Excellent weather...

I think it's safe to say the range is around 7 miles. In the future I won't plan trips much more then 6 miles.. That will get me almost anywhere in town and back so I'm happy with it.

Awesome dude!!! You make me jealous.... my pocketbike's clutch wouldn't survive 7 miles I don't think...

cool project!!

did you lube the chain? it looks rusty, and that's not good for the top speed...

I have a general "tune up" on my list of things to do. It was sitting somewhere for awhile and as some rust places. I'll check the bearings and everything once I get to it.

I would like to have more top speed, but I used the electronics I already had. I might modify the gearing a little but my next project, an acutal e-bike, will be a little more respectable.

I like what you are doing, keep up the good work!

Jeff

I assumed you were using a Sentilon, what are you using for an ESC?

I wish I had a sentilon... I have this - http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idproduct=7341

Awesome awesome work. I'm jealous, I wish I had this knowledge at an age as young as you are. You better be some electrical or mechanical engineer when you grow up.

One question, what's your weight? I may never brushless up a wheelchair, but I can definitely see a brushless old person scooter ripping up the footpaths!

that's exactly what I want to be when I grow up.. I love this stuff. At the moment I weigh 140lbs.

And I don't think I mentioned it yet, but my charger isn't charging and if I can't get it to work I'll have to get a new one. The batteries are sitting at 3.5v and they won't get charged till I figure out the charger issue. I wanna ride this thing before the weather gets too cd so hopefully I get it worked out soon.

You're well ahead of these three..... ROFL Top Gear just gets better.

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Yeah, that had me in stitches watching that; its actually pretty fast when only one person is onboard, but with 3 people... 10mph top speed... :lol:

+1 Love TopGear. Remember kids, Porsches are for ****s.

working at sears has its perks:intello:

I just picked up one of these for $25, yes $25!!!!! and no, there are not any others...
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...?keyword=e300s


IDK if I want to go brushless, but LiPos are a must:party:

does anyone know if the stock elc will handel lipos, or will it be too many amps and burn everything up??

It will get hot but it probably won't burn up on 6s lipo.

$25? They cost £145 in the UK, and thats with money off...
:surprised:

What about Life cells instead of lipos- same kind price but 6s2p or 3p even would net you ~22v and plenty of runtime.

I thought of that too:neutral:

mom is laying the guilt trip on my and wants me to give it to my 8 year old sis:diablo:

Give = :no:, sell at a small profit = :yes:

You can always find another deal on a good/cheap scooter to convert, but if you bought it with your money with the intention of making something cool out of it, I wouldnt be giving it away out of guilt. Little sister can get her own $10 barbie scooter if she wants one that bad, or is it just your mom saying you should give it to her?