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nitrostarter 03.26.2010 04:14 PM

I'm game!

Tea Parties are a start tho!. April 15th!

lutach 03.26.2010 04:33 PM

If anyone can get me all the vaccines given to our children from birth (Even the ones before), I can start the beginning of the end of this BS. Bill Gates said with better vaccines and health care, they can decrease the population by 15%.

PBO 03.26.2010 04:44 PM

http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/images/...ogschedule.gif

lutach 03.26.2010 06:01 PM

I need the vaccines, not the list.

Plus, that list doesn't include all the vaccines.

nitrostarter 03.26.2010 06:06 PM

They should think about sterilization of those that don't do for themselves. Then stupid porch sitting government sucking low life's cant breed and make more stupid porch sitting government sucking low life's.

Its ridiculous to here them speak about having more kids so their welfare check is more...

PBO 03.26.2010 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lutach (Post 357470)
I need the vaccines, not the list.

Plus, that list doesn't include all the vaccines.

Don't forget this is for Sydney...

The vaccines are listed to the right by their local Australian names & it's the complete list that both my kids received, there were no other pre natal or post natal medications/vaccines administered

zeropointbug 03.26.2010 07:43 PM

That Gardosil vaccines has a bad reputation, especially with young girls (who they promote it to the most), many dropping dead suddenly, or loosing consciousness at the wheel when leaving the hospital after getting the injection, getting into a car accident, many occasions dieing as a result.

PBO 03.26.2010 07:58 PM

Must be administered to older girls also...12 year olds don't drive in Aus

lutach 03.26.2010 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBO (Post 357475)
Don't forget this is for Sydney...

The vaccines are listed to the right by their local Australian names & it's the complete list that both my kids received, there were no other pre natal or post natal medications/vaccines administered

Can you get info on where your vaccines comes from?

lincpimp 03.26.2010 09:50 PM

Very interesting. I am currently preparing for the inevitable outcome. My fingers are sore and covered in brass dust, and I smell of various oils and solvents. I have also investigated the operating mechanisims of my various pieces of equipment and become familiar with any possible operating failures that may occur, and done drills to fix them quickly in the feild.

I will now clean my hands and do some acedemic reading on how to mix various substances to achieve volatile compositions that can be easily transported and used to great effect. I am sure that anyone in the know will understand what I am referring to.

I would suggest that everyone removes their savings from the bank, invests in a good safe (a fireproof safe that can handle small arms is a good choice) and also gets a decent canned food supply going. While this may sound extreme keep in mind that small arms will go up in value as they always have, and you can always eat canned food whenever you like. So neither is a bad choice. A thousand dollar safe may seem excessive but I put mine to excellent use, and consider it great insurance.

I would also suggest doing some casual reading on survival skills, as well as investing in some basic survival gear. Understanding terrain and the surrounding area where you live will be very useful.

As far as the current situation goes, I would suggest that you do your best to revert to cash. I know this is dfficult for those in corporate american. Ditching direct deposits and direct payments and going back to paying bills by check is a great start. Weaning yourself from the check card and going back to cash will have a double effect of saving you money and pushing companies back to cash. I would also suggest finding business that offer a cash discount (3% usually as that is what the credit companies charge business on average) and frequenting them.

Anyone who has a skill, try word of mouth advertising to make a side business. Do not advertise or pay for a license, and remember to only accept cash. This will allow you to offer a 30% discount (no taxes on money that does not exist), and save your cash in your safe. Use it to buy items that are not tracked to you, and you will be able to lower your operating costs, and thus you can lower your wages that are shown (not easy to do without running your own business). This will also alow you to put more of your "earned on paper" money towards paying off debt, and certain things such are mortgage interest are tax deductible, so you will lower your taxes.

Saving cash and cutting down your lifestyle a bit will go a long way to solving some of the issues we have here. Everyone has to do it though. So I prefer cheating every chance I get. Hard work and cunning will win out, I can assure all of you of that.

Freezebyte 03.26.2010 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrostarter (Post 357448)
You will when you start feeling the consequences of this disaster.

I can't worry about shit I can't control or I might as well put a bullet through my head now.

lincpimp 03.26.2010 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freezebyte (Post 357519)
I can't worry about shit I can't control or I might as well put a bullet through my head now.

There you go, getting our hopes up, just to squash them when you do not follow thru. Cruel, very cruel.

zeropointbug 03.26.2010 10:33 PM

Well then don't post if you don't give a $#!T Freezebyte, we're not saying you have to, nor listen.


So what I said before about people will learn more about how bad this Healthcare bill is; student loan takeover has been hidden in the bill.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...rats-students/

TexasSP 03.27.2010 12:04 AM

It doesn't take a genius to figure out you don't need 2700 pages to address the few simple issues that finnster's post suggests the bill addresses.

But hey, the funny thing is that people were up on arms when Bush went on spending sprees, however many of these same people think it's somehow wonderful with Obama. Meanwhile Obama has outpaced Bush's spending in his first year by leaps and bounds. Please be aware this was one of my major points of contention with Bush as well, too much spending, too much deficit, too much debt. Then you have to go back and realize that even the claimed "balanced budget" under Clinton was a farce.

But this is everyone in the US answer to everything, if there is a problem, throw money at it, even if you don't have money. What happens when the US goes bankrupt because it simply cannot honor it's commitments. Seems so big compared to us as individuals but the principals remain the same. The problem is the old saying "the bigger it is the harder it falls" will reign true for this.

Here is a major US corporation telling of the impact this bill will have on them and you. Don't think you won't feel the affect from this giant.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...w-cut-profits/

Don't be fooled into thinking this will help small business as well. My partner and I are now having to reanalyze our growth strategy and the possibility of hiring new people. I already get raped by the government having to file a 1099 and it takes every deduction I can use to minimize this and I still get screwed. However I am nowhere near Obama's 250k annual "super rich" mark yet I still pay and will end up paying more. I can tell you I made a damn site less than 250k last year but since I am technically self employed and do contract type work, I get slammed into an even more screwed tax situation.

The worse part is I pay a fortune into taxes while a good friend of ours manages to get twice what she paid in back each year because she makes 30k per year and has two kids. Here child support doesn't even factor in to the equation. I don't begrudge her the money but how the hell is it I pay significantly more in taxes and the government still comes knocking for more.

Oh, and here is our next tax which will affect every working American under the guise of "helping us". This sounds just like social security all over again. We are told of how much revenue it will bring and how it will help us. However how long before congress starts spending from this "fund" just like social security.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...r-say-critics/

So much for only taxing the "super wealthy".......

Freezebyte 03.27.2010 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeropointbug (Post 357523)
Well then don't post if you don't give a $#!T Freezebyte, we're not saying you have to, nor listen.


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...tar20372_1.gif

georgec 03.27.2010 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 357520)
There you go, getting our hopes up, just to squash them when you do not follow thru. Cruel, very cruel.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Now that's cold....Cold, but FAH!

georgec 03.27.2010 07:39 AM

I just saw where Fidel Castro gave his blessing to our new health care plan! I don't know about you but that makes me feel allot better about the whole thing. :no:

JERRY2KONE 03.27.2010 09:02 AM

Because
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by georgec (Post 357556)
I just saw where Fidel Castro gave his blessing to our new health care plan! I don't know about you but that makes me feel allot better about the whole thing. :no:

Thats because even foreign leaders can see what a blunder Obama just made getting this bill passed. Now the whole world is aware that our financial demize is in the near future. Once we are bankrupt as a nation everyone else will just swoop in and take us over.

nitrostarter 03.27.2010 09:29 AM

Castro and Chavez are both on board and laughing at us right now. Pretty soon everyone will realize how much of a Socialist Obama really is, has been said since election.

Ronald Reagan said:
Quote:

A tree's a tree. How many more do you need to look at?
Momma always said:
Quote:

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then its a duck!

Reagain also stated:
Quote:

Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man.
&
Quote:

Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.

So I do like what Linc has to say. I will be picking up a few select pieces of equipment soon. It's just become a necessity and I don't want to be caught off guard. I'll have to stock up on equipment cartridge refills as well. I would hate for my equipment to run dry.

I talked to a New Orleans PD officer today at a gas station. I asked him if he was on board. He said "Yes sir, I'm on duty. Need something?" I said "Sir, I know you're on duty, I was asking if you are on board?" He looked puzzled(NOPD is really bright!). I told him "Sir I want to know if the NOPD is going to stop half a million people in protest of this communistic government take over. I want to know if you guys are going to stand in the way or fall in line." I really blew his mind this time, but he knew what I was saying. He told me "Son, when you start the protest, I'll have to throw my lights and sirens on. I'll lead the way." I finished pumping my gas and said thats good to know!

I feel a civil uprising will occur if something isn't done about this monstrosity. After Obama was elected, there were rumors floating around about a Texas-Louisiana succession. Hell I''m going to push the issue now. All you Yankee's on board, feel free to migrate down.

georgec 03.27.2010 09:47 AM

Don't say that too loud! My state/city is already over run by refuges from the socialist states!!!

nitrostarter 03.27.2010 10:49 AM

if everyone started mailing copies of the Constitution to the White House with a note saying "Learn it, Love it, Follow it!" and of course no return address. I bet this would make an impression!

Copy of this picture:
http://department.monm.edu/Classics/...nstitution.jpg

To this address:
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

JERRY2KONE 03.27.2010 10:53 AM

Good idea
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrostarter (Post 357572)
if everyone started mailing copies of the Constitution to the White House with a note saying "Learn it, Love it, Follow it!" and of course no return address. I bet this would make an impression!

Hey thats not a bad idea. Everyone send a copy to his or her Congressman and Senitor with a short note letting them know that they now qualify as a traitor to the American people.

georgec 03.27.2010 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrostarter (Post 357572)
if everyone started mailing copies of the Constitution to the White House with a note saying "Learn it, Love it, Follow it!" and of course no return address. I bet this would make an impression!

Copy of this picture:
http://department.monm.edu/Classics/...nstitution.jpg

To this address:
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Maybe one or two would even read it....nahhh!

georgec 03.27.2010 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE (Post 357573)
Hey thats not a bad idea. Everyone send a copy to his or her Congressman and Senitor with a short note letting them know that they now qualify as a traitor to the American people.

Not me, my house rep is Marsha Blackburn!

JERRY2KONE 03.27.2010 11:01 AM

Even so
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by georgec (Post 357575)
Not me, my house rep is Marsha Blackburn!

even so they all set back and let it happen knowing that it is a terrible bill for our country.

georgec 03.27.2010 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE (Post 357576)
even so they all set back and let it happen knowing that it is a terrible bill for our country.

Marsha fought tooth and nail too stop it. She is a fearless unapologetic conservative!!! We give her all the support we can.

nitrostarter 03.27.2010 11:08 AM

I think a huge influx of mailings containing Constitution copies and notes would get noticed!

georgec 03.27.2010 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrostarter (Post 357578)
I think a huge influx of mailings containing Constitution copies and notes would get noticed!

It would be great if it was an organized effort that would flood Washington with bags and bags of Constitution copies and notes!

nitrostarter 03.27.2010 11:19 AM

Thats what I'm suggesting. I'm posting it on Facebook and sending mass emails with links and addresses as we speak.

zeropointbug 03.27.2010 05:35 PM

Well I think they will laugh at you. Really. Here is what Bush says of your Constitution: Bush - 'Just A God damned Piece Of Paper'

Obama doesn't even sing your national anthem, and has been shown that he basically hates your country. He's also an alien as well!

zeropointbug 03.27.2010 07:08 PM

NOT to discourage!

Finnster 03.27.2010 08:38 PM

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georgec 03.29.2010 06:11 PM

The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn't stop there though.

The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton , Texas

crazyjr 03.29.2010 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgec (Post 357888)
The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn't stop there though.

The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton , Texas

Reading this disturbs me greatly, Even i didn't think the democrats would go this far for power over the people. Granted they have always wanted big govt. and willing to spend big on it. When Obama was running for Pres., I remember everyone saying "He's not one of them", "he is not in the big boys club", That's crap. How do you go from Lt. Governor, to Senator, to president in 6 years and not be the chosen one. Appointed and mentored to do what he is doing right now.

Anyone that knows of Megadeth, Listen to the "Countdown to Extinction" album, There is a song that almost sounds like it was written for our pres. called the Symphony of Destruction

JERRY2KONE 03.29.2010 09:17 PM

Setup.
 
Can you say setup? When anyone can race through the ranks at such speed and do it so young it can only be because someone is stacking the deck in their favor. The Democrats groomed Obama for this position knowing that it might be the time for America to vote for change with a black president, and use him to achieve their goals by manipulating his authority. Obama is trying his best to please everyone by doing something positive for our country, although not knowing just how badly he is being used as the patsy in all of this. Do you really think that he has read the entire bill? I doubt it. His party is telling him that all is good, and that he is doing the right thing. This is politics plain and simple. They are all corrupt in one way or another. I don't like any of them. The whole system has become a runaway train and none of them has any concern for what they are doing to the country. They are all in it to get rich and get out before the soul of our nation comes crumbling down. What a mess.

lutach 03.30.2010 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyjr (Post 357905)
Reading this disturbs me greatly, Even i didn't think the democrats would go this far for power over the people. Granted they have always wanted big govt. and willing to spend big on it. When Obama was running for Pres., I remember everyone saying "He's not one of them", "he is not in the big boys club", That's crap. How do you go from Lt. Governor, to Senator, to president in 6 years and not be the chosen one. Appointed and mentored to do what he is doing right now.

Anyone that knows of Megadeth, Listen to the "Countdown to Extinction" album, There is a song that almost sounds like it was written for our pres. called the Symphony of Destruction

This might sound wrong to some people, but I told everyone I know if Obama or Clinton won, it would be a disaster. When Obama won, everyone I know was so F****** happy and I told them to wait and see. Now they are asking me question and how I knew. I simply told them, I'm ready and Brasil will soon be my home again.

I guess what Bill Gates said about decreasing the population by 15% will come true. I hope it doesn't though.

JERRY2KONE 03.30.2010 09:45 AM

Stated previously.
 
It is just like some of the top politicians stated previously. Obama was too young and not qualified to run our country for the betterment of the people. He is out to make a name for himself and nothing else. He has no idea what he is doing, and we are his guinnie pigs. After this is all over with all he can do is say "I tried my best to give the people what they wanted during my election campaign. Its a dammed shame it did not work out for the best. Now I must go to my tax paid retirement and enjoy the rest of my life. Good luck with that health care thing."

Then someone else will be left to come in and clean up his mess. If there is a country left to run?

slimthelineman 03.30.2010 11:17 AM

sounds like another revolutionary war is on the horizon:yes: america is a BIG place and there are ALOT of people here. not to mention the people running the country are too stupid to realize how bad they really need us working stiffs. many of us could single handedly effect the nation while at work. go ahead keep pushin somethin will give, and it wont be the people who have nothin left to lose!

schofield 03.31.2010 04:09 PM

Quote:

Imagine how nice the world would be if you had to survive in a society that purged the undesirables!
this is just an example of the wow, is there really these kinds of people out there? who is undesirable? are you? am i, because i have had blue hair for 17 years?

i hope you guys are not serious with all this kind of talk.

but if you are then i will be over next month, its my birthday. :party:

PBO 03.31.2010 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schofield (Post 358182)
this is just an example of the wow, is there really these kinds of people out there? who is undesirable? are you? am i, because i have had blue hair for 17 years?

i hope you guys are not serious with all this kind of talk.

but if you are then i will be over next month, its my birthday. :party:

Half serious, I don't live in the US so this may not be universal...?

Where I live there's a profound lack of basic respect for fellow humans. Most people tramp there way through life, smuggly insulating themselves in their own private bubble so they don't need to deal with anything other than what they choose to let in

This same bubble conveniently absolves them of any responsibility for their own actions...just drive into any carpark & watch the atrocious behaviour of drivers competing for parking spaces or even mothers competing for parking spaces near a school, you'd think their lives depended on getting the best position

Hundreds more examples can be easily found...these are the scenarios the birthday gun would be ideal for :mdr:


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