haha, thats shabby looking. seriously what are they thinking its like an rx8 and mm fused togheter in a strange way.
interesting price tag though, but i will not buy it.

Oh yeah...

Clone or not Clone, i don't care about clones.

I have tons of Castle Stuff and everybody I know, owns Castle stuff as well.
And some new stuff is waiting for me at home ;-)

Major point for all of them, there are all happy with the total package
But what is the total package ?

1. The product works for and does what i want
2. Easy to use
3. Great Support, i can count on
4. reliable and long term stable

This what i see @ Castle
What ever problem / issue / question etc i ever had and raised @ CC suport i got an answere and if the guys @ CC think, it took to long to get me an answere, they appologize for the delay.

It is a "worryfree" product, since today for me and i have never seen that kind of support, like from Castle and even, they do something wrong, they correct it, like with the MMM issue.

Try to get an 70$ replacement from Schulze :whip:

Not just the MSRP does count, the whole price does count for me
And this includes the nervs and gray hairs i have to spend on a product.

None of both so far on an CC product.

I have a f....ing expensiv Schulze 32.200WK ESC sitting here
this is the biggest pice of *#**#$%*+ i have ever seen
Not just the product, since it does make my motor, compared to any Castle ESC into a waterboiler, also the support sucks from the inside to the outside

Support you local group, there is already too much "cloned stuff" out there

just me 2 cents

I am curious to know if the FETs can even come close to the rating, how the BEC stacks up (noise/output), and the driveability. Even if they used the same exact components, PCB construction can play a big role as well, not to mention the versatility from the programming CC offers. I have a feeling they cut corners somewhere.

Turnigy track star 150A = skyrc Toro 1/8

Always Castle makes the best ESCs.Chinese copiers cannot do the fine-tuning that Castle can make.And they don't have the machines that Castle has.They may have the same parts(edit:clones...),but there aren't some important details and hobbyking customer service is worthless.I always liked (and I'll still like) Castle CS.

Maybe you should make a separate thread about this instead of posting it in a non-related thread...this way, if someone searches "150A hobbyking" they'll see a thread called "is this 150A hobbyking ESC any good?" instead of seeing a thread called "Castle looking ESC coming to hobbyking". This is the second thread today I've seen you post totally offtopic items in.... :whistle:

Well i hoope nobody lost a leg because of my 2 offtopics :whistle:
But u are correct, i should have made a new thread, anyway just wanted to know ur opinions as the esc is really cheap... i know that dosent mean always good.

I think most of the ruffled feathers come from the fact that you posted asking about the motor and ESC in the Castle section of the forums, when these products are direct competitors with Castle for the 1/8 market. Also, the ESC looks to be a Tekin knock-off and that's a hot-button issue for most members here.

We have a lot of respect for Castle here, not only because they make great products, but because they actually post here (including the company president) to offer help and insight on their products. We don't want to step on their toes by asking about competing products in their dedicated section of the forum.

I've read all 6 pages of this thread this am and a few people say that they'll continue to use the cheap priced batteries but I think them people are loyal to CC as I am also but I'm loyal to certain battery companies here in The US for The same reason I'm loyal to CC, customer support, warranty service and they're American companies so I'm not giving my money to companies like hobbyking to further support their agenda. On the subject of batteries there are some companies that offer a 30,60,90,120 and 1 year warrany on their batteries. some charge half price to replace and some replace them 100% free. I may pay a little more but I've actually had battery issues and was able to recoup the batteries at no cost to me so I saved 90 bucks x 2 so that was 180.00 saved, not bad imo. Does hobbyking have this type of free replacement 6 months after the fact ? Probably not. Castle keep up the great work and post on your site that companies are making knockoffs so visitors to your site will know and be more inclined to buy American made stuff vs cheap knock off stuff. Rc monster site also has a statement of this as well.

Name them, give us links, etc. I'm sure most people would be willing (especially those of us in the US) to give a shot to quality batteries that have some customer support, actually honor warranties, etc.

I've got some batteries, for crawlers, from cheapbatteries.com; they seem decent and were a good price for what they are. However one of the things is trying to find batteries (XS and XC) that meet dimensions, etc. that we need... if I'm looking for batteries for the Savage, the 3S batteries can't be wider than 30mm, so that makes it an issue.

I use venom batteries. Those were the ones I referred to when I had a warranty issue. I know of other people that have posted on the traxxas forums that they had issues with their venom batteries as well and I told em to give customer service a call and they got their batteries replaced and some even upgraded the battery mah or c rating because their lhs sold them to low a rated battery. This is what I'd call exceptional customer service. I upgraded the mah capacity one time to have both of my 3S batteries match so I could run them as a pair. I just had to pay the difference between the 2 batteries which was like 12 dollars at the time but worth it since I run them 2 as a series pair now. The rep I had was also very helpful on other transactions besides batteries as well.

I've seen spc has a limited warranty, smc does as well.

Here is what I Think of some of these peoples guarantees and warranties on their lipos:

Couldn't get youtube embed to work so here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-T_O0l8YQ

Good luck on getting warranty service from the those guys with the flames......

Venom? All Venom sells is rebadged, and marked up, chinese batteries. They are not anything like say Thunderpower (or cheapbatteries, or even spc) where they buy the cells, test them, package, etc.

FYI: For transparency sake I do have exactly one Venom and exactly one MaxAmps batteries floating around (both 2S, and quite old).

Your insinuating that a company that makes good batteries has no issues with batteries. So what do you do when you buy a lipo and 3 months down the road it either swells or stops working ? Some people will just buy another one because they did save money but soon they realize they just bought the same battery twice. There's nothing wrong with a company backing their product. They're just merely showing that they believe in their product and providing a service that some companies are to cheap to do, umm like foreign companies with no tech support and domestic companies to make a quick buck and then say umm were sorry you have no warranty therefore you're going to have to buy A battery again for the 3rd time but yes they have quality batteries but no customer service. I'll pay extra knowing that if or when I have a issue over the next couple years that their customer service will come through for me which there is a few companies out there left that back their products yet.

Well since you want to slam on venom then show me some other companies that stand behind their products for any period of time. When did you work at venom since you apparently know so much about them. I'm sure not only venom buys Chinese cells but many other companies alike. The process for making the batteries is a little complex but with my transportation background I can say there are probably only a handful of companies making the cells and selling them to battery retailers who sell to us.


Wal Mart stores does the same thing. They sell blue bunny ice cream in all their stores but blue bunny also makes the wal mart brand ice cream. Schwans even makes some blue bunny ice cream and blue bunny makes some schwans ice cream as well. IT helps them keep cost down and it just goes in a different package. The only reason I know,was I hauled the stuff for 12.5 years. I was using the ice cream as an example for The effect that one company can have in The marketplace.

Since basically the only cells you can buy are either Chinese or Korean, just about everyone gets their cells from Chinese.

However, Venom has long be known to be a re-brander. They buy products from Chinese companies (its also called white boxing) and rebadge it as their own. Its not necessarily a 'bad practice', especially if they have stand behind their products with some sort of service and/or support. Now they've been doing that for quite some time, but they seem to also be starting to produce some of their own products from scratch too; i.e. the Gambler.

However, I do have a Venom battery, its held up as a bash battery for quite some time, but it was also bought when there weren't a lot of other options. I also had, when new to LiPo, a 'Venom charger'. This was a Chinese version of another, and really much better Chinese built charger, and it has ZERO DOCUMENTATION WITH IT. I sent Venom an email to their support asking for documentation and/or information about some of the features. They had not a clue either.

The practice of 'white boxing' has been going for 20+ years. There are only a handful of companies that make a lot of things (especially in electronics - such as lcd screens) because of the high level of specialization needed (its not like making ice cream); these usually get made at different price points and with different features depending on the end client. Their clients are the ones who 'consumerize' them for the mass market.

To circle this back around. CC makes a quality product, and a competitive price. Tekin, although usually a tad more expensive than CC, does so too. And Novak, well opinions differ, but still they for the most part do too.

Batteries seem to run to the extreme; you get the stuff direct from HongKong thats ultra-cheap, you get the stuff from say US or European based such as MaxAmps thats crap marked up really high, or you get high end product that is not cheap (but usually cheaper than maxcrap) such as Hyperion (out of HK mind you), ThunderPower (LV, NV), etc.

The biggest problem is that unlike with NiCd and NiMH batteries, no one is telling us exactly WHO the manufacturer of the cells are and what the exact specs of each cell is. So in reality, other than measuring and testing each cells, you really don't know that anyone isn't selling a crap lipo for a large markup.

Oh I know what you're talking about. Wal mart does a lot of white boxing. They also do limited run stuff as well. A lot of people buy vizio tvs at wal mart and vizio has a somewhat good reputation. Just look how they came to be but wal mart has a speced vizio tv that a year or two down the road you can get parts for because for say they only made a limited run of that spec model per wal mart order. If a person learns the vizio brands,you can buy a same looking but better quality and more parts availability tv at wal mart also but hardly anyone knows that unless you start searching model numbers extensively. I was talking to A tv repair shop guy is how I found out. He flat out told me if I ever need a repair that I better hope I bought the right model.

I don't really see what testing a cell does except for matching 2 or more up. Other than that no one really knows the history behind the cells since obviously their a commodity anymore these days.


Check this video out on lipo batteries ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdv9I...e_gdata_player

I hope you find the video interesting as i did.

A warranty is only as good as the company that stands behind them. Like I said, many offer a warranty, but then wiggle every which way to avoid and actual claim.

Venom batteries are no better than the crap hobbyking sells, just higher priced. I have been using lipo since 2005 and tried a little bit of everything. I have a pretty good idea of who's are worth what.

Well venom stands behind the warranty. I have ran venom and smc over the last two years. I can honestly say I was treated more like a customer by venom when I had a issue vs smc who also sales lipo batteries through wholesale retailers.

My smc packs swelled after 4-6 charges/runs and they blamed me right away before they would even listen to what I had to say. If you don't listen to your customer then someone else will. I know for a fact that venom will stand behind each and every battery I have. I don't see much else out there that will. I know a lot of people locally that run them with no problems. You can have you opinion and ill have mine but at the end of the day ill take that warranty but that's why a lot of different companies are in business because you and I have different likes and dislikes.

Venom's come with a Traxxas to Deans conversion Plug and sell good. OTOH, Venom is the only 2s 5000 offered at my LHS.

I like my Enerland Batteries, the 2s Hardcased work Well and hold voltage awesome, if they made Hardcase 4s, I'd buy them, they don't so I use Ace and Turnigy ones. I tried Venom 4000mah 20C in a Summit w/Dewalt motor, they never got warm, and on a standing start the Truck was pulling 100-120 Amps (didn't know that when I bought the packs!) but they still stayed over 3v/cell under load.

I dont find this copys in hobbycity ...... ¿where is possible buy?

Several US companies sell fake Deans. KD is just one.

http://204.186.93.64/Wire-Plugs.htm

Are you a Venom rep? You sure sound like one. And if you are then you work for a company that sells some pretty cruddy stuff. Venom stuff can be bought at Harbor Freight, what does that tell you about their products?

Well lets see I live in South Dakota so me working for Venom is out of the question. Honestly I haven't worked for over a year but to no fault of mine when there's Dr's doing shoddy work almost costing people their lives.

Now onto the venom batteries, Oh wait what kind are you running or are you to ashamed to say ?? Never saw you mention yours so maybe NIMH is just your flavor because your still stuck in the days of when Venom wasn't good on NIMH batteries but I'm not using NIMH so now that we've established that I can honestly say that Venom is one company out of 6-8 brands of batteries Ive looked at after I decided to get into lipo a few years ago. I've been happy with their batteries.

I tried smc but had no luck and dealt with someone via email to address a warranty claim. The guy I dealt with on the warranty is in Canada yes I said Canada because he overstayed his Visa in the united states so he's not allowed back in to run his company in the US. Well he decided after speaking with his shop guy that I was at fault and said "our batteries are the best and never swell" and told me I needed to adjust my esc. I informed him I was using these batteries on a slash 4x4 one at a time and the traxxas esc isn't adjustable and then he tells me in the next email that I still need to adjust it.

What I found intriguing about this conversation was the fact that after I told him I was running a traxxas esc and was non adjustable he still came back and told me to adjust the esc, HELLO ??? I look at things this way, if you don't know the equipment that your product is going in then what are you doing selling the stuff to begin with and it's just a traxxas esc which are set at 3.1 from the factory. I mean Traxxas is one of the largest rc mfrs out there and he didn't know this simple thing. If you don't know something then research it, I have looked into this and many other things that don't seem or look right in life. The batteries only had 4-6 cycles on them. They were less than 3 months old.


Just because a company has a good marketing strategy doesn't mean they have a bad battery. They probably reach more customers than the battery mfr you use and I know when I call in and leave a message through their customer service center that they'll call me back in generaly 24 if not 48 hrs max.

I mistakenly had a 3 cell lipo come loose out of the car and it was a 5400. The outer wrapper tore. I sent it in and 15.00 to upgrade it to a 6400 plus my shipping to them. Not a bad deal at all. They have superb customer service. Know of any other companies like his? If so put their name here and I'll look into doing business with them as well especially long term if they'll stand behind it.

I'm supporting guys working in a warehouse in the US even if the cells are imported like all are. There are only a handful of cell mfrs out there that make them. I've actually watched videos on how cells are made. It's a pretty interesting process.

If your boss sold product on harbor freight I bet you wouldn't say a thing at all especially if it could cost you a job. Harbor freight has been around a very long time. Another good example of a very successful company.

Evidently I touched a nerve :lol:

I use turnigy lipos exclusively. Yes i have a couple packs with bad cells but its my own fault for not putting a storage charge on them over the winter. I dont bother calling HK CS because its my fault, not theirs.

Both Venom and Maxamps are pushed really hard where i live because they are both located in my area. Honestly I dont know of anyone in my area that has had much luck with either of those companies. But if Venom lipos are working for you then by all means continue to use them!

I simply followed the enclosed instructions :rules: :rules: that smc includes with each battery as I do with each mfr because they all have different ways they want you to care for the batteries that they feel works best for their batteries. I have a storage feature button which comes in handy so a person doesn't have to sit there and watch the exact voltage.

No nerves frayed here otherwise I wouldnt have posted in another thread you were in. I was just simply stating the facts and what I was observing in the response to me. Yeah venom has worked for a few years for me. I've seen a lot of people get into trouble with them by using to low a C rated battery with a mmm combo in the brushless emaxx and surprisingly castle and venom replace the mmm escs and batteries.


Two really good companies that have excellent customer service. I just credit due where I see companies doing good things for customers. WERe allwe have out here and let's face it we have a lot of shysters out here giving this industry a bad label taking advantage of newbs and then us experienced guys have to step up and right a wrong. The unsung heroes that keep this hobby alive is what a lot of us do out here.

Didn't read the entire thread but good luck with IP laws in china... they are slim to none and really not enforced at all... best of luck

I think these are the production model of the ESCs referenced in the first post. They changed the color scheme but the overall design looks identical to the original pics. I won't jump to conclusions before seeing the internals and programming, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are clones of the Phoenix. Especially since HK says an HV version is coming soon.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...GY_DEL100A.jpg

BUT -- Hobbyking does business in both the USA and Hong Kong.

At least now they do since they have 'store presence' in the States.

But will their presence in the US force them to become a more legitimate company or will they handle the orders that are questionable abroad and claim that they have no control over their affiliate and try to say its independently ran to try to keep them from being looked at by federal regulators or equivalent for the purposes of this issue. I say that someone of importance needs to get them on record and show by their claim that both facilities are ran by the same person or equivalent because this is what it would come down to in a US court of law.

If they've been violating patents and such as alleged by traxxas corp then I'd be surprised if they weren't being looked at because one would think traxxas wouldn't be sitting around on this....................

HobbyKing locates in Hong Kong but does NOT ship to Hong Kong and China. And they rarely manufacture anyting. This may make it harder for the Chinese laws to work on the products they sell. Looks like pressing them by CC from US side has more likelihood to win.

Searching through some old posts on another forum someone linked to that ESC, because they had used it and were suggesting someone buy it. They are in stock, shipping, and people are linking to it. I take it there's really nothing that can be done except try to educate people about what it really is?

O well CC is still best with products and especially service!
I had only issues with HK products and service!
No more Chinese crap fake, clones whatever they are selling!

It's what's on the inside that counts anyway. Didn't anyone ever pay attention to their mom?

I see like this:

Castle makes a twinkie. It's a beautiful yellow cake with cream filled goodness.

These Chinese guys make a what looks a lot like Castle's twinkie, except instead of cream filled goodness is ash from burnt cow crap.

I guess none of this really matters. Apparently, for those that buy the Hobby King electronic products, especially look alike speed controllers, are getting products that do not work, or will not work for very long. Therefore, normal market forces will prevale, and the consumer will naturally stop buying the Chinese products that bring such great disappointment.

CC rules.......

Dennis

It's a question of value vs. quality/longevity. I work with a bunch of guys that use hobby king gear and toss out things once and a while but the overall out of pocket costs are still quite low and although not as crisp as some of my CC gear they have fun and enjoy it all the same.

With Hobby King's growth I see the market forces prevailing as you state, there is enough of a volume to keep them and CC alive, personally I have used but never purchased a HK ESC myself but many have and many will continue to do so.

And that somehow makes what they're doing OK? Whether that's true or not is beside the point.

Of course not, I was commenting on Dennis post about market forces correcting things, not whether or not what they are doing is wrong.