Very nice MC, I like 'em both!

UPDATE ON WATER PROOFNESS

I did the same water proofing procedure I did on my ERBE to my son's GERBE. Using the same Tremclad clear stuff on the ESC and servo. After I ran a set of packs in my ERBE (still ran great with no problems with water or snow) I ran a set of packs in my son's GERBE to test it and it ran just as well as my truck. This Tremclad stuff really seems to work very well in keeping the MMM and servo innards dry. I'm very happy with it. And I love those 40 series Mashers. They're big and look cool.

What is the Tremclad stuff you speak of? And where can you get it?

I have pics of the can in this post

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...&postcount=424

It's a clear coat that prevents weathering and tarnishing of metals like brass, steel, aluminum, copper and other. It sticks to everything I tried it on, even Lexan. It dries fairly quickly and becomes very hard and tough. It's liquid like water so it gets into every little nook and cranny of the circuit boards of the ESC and seals every part of it. Using this to water proof your MMM will probably void the warranty, I never contacted Castle Creations to ask them about that, I just did it because I wanted to play in the snow.

Tremclad products can be found anywhere in hardware stores.

Have you noticed any differences in temps since you put thet stuff on the esc?

No difference in temps. The heat sink is intact because I taped it before spraying so it's doing its job of dissipating heat just as it did before.

MrC can I use the longer front shock springs that came as extra parts in the rear shocks?They seem to be longer.

I don't see why not. I can't even remember that there was extra spring in my ERBE box when I first got it. If they are longer than you might just have to adjust the preload collars to have the desired ride height.

All the shocks springs are the same length, just different weights.

And there you go, thanks Chad.

Yea right.The the way I see this it that the springs on the right go in the front shocks and they are in fact a little longer and have more coils.

The extra length is nothing more than the spring being a different weight, with a different thickness coil and a different number of coils...none of the springs are meant for either the front or the rear, any of them can be used in the front OR the rear, it all just depends on how you like your suspension setup.

In 99% of all cases, you run heavier springs in the rear and lighter springs in the front, since the rear of the truck is heavier and needs more support.

The front and rear shocks are exactly the same; the bodies, shafts, etc. are all the same length, and all 4 shocks are identical. The only differences are the variable items, like; the pistons, oil, & springs.

What little difference there is in the length of the springs you have pictured is nothing, and which spring you use on which end should be chosen by weight, not length.

I've heard the Summit springs are longer. And according to the parts list, the double yellow and double orange springs are "long"

http://www.traxxas.com/PDF-Library/5610_parts.pdf

Interesting to know, I will order 2 pair and try them in one of my 2 basher Erevo's. I'm currently running Blue F&R with 60wt oil. These might be even better with less poundage but with a longer lenth ????

Thanks!

Length is not what you need to be worrying about. If you put a spring that is too long onto a shock, the spring will always be slightly compressed, just as if you had adjusted the pre-load on a shorter spring of the same weight.

There is no reason you should be wanting a longer spring, and in fact, a spring that is too long will coil-bind before the full-travel of the shock is reached (which is bad).

You should also not be running the same weight springs front & rear unless your truck has a perfect 50/50 weight distribution. Like I said, you should be running heavier springs in the rear and lighter springs in the front. You can possibly get away with running the same oil weight front and rear, and sometimes even the same pistons front and rear, but in reality, the front and rear shocks should be tuned differently since the front and rear of the truck are different.

The heavier your spring, the heavier your oil needs to be (or the smaller the piston needs to be).

The lighter your spring, the lighter your oil needs to be (or the larger the piston needs to be).

What exactly are you wanting to do, and I will let you know how you need to setup your suspension/shocks. How heavy is your truck? Do you run anti-swaybars? What terrain do you run on mostly? What type of driving do you do, and do you drive aggressively? Do you jump your truck, or just stay on flat ground?