It is also amazing to see brand X perform the way it did. Much better performance would be expected from brand X according to its reputation and price. It kinda shows to me that any company can fling BS at me, no matter what their reputation is. It shows to me that when it comes to lipos, no company can be trusted until some standardized testing of lipos is established. It also shows me that the old saying ''you get what you paid for'' that has been said to me so many times when I started in brushless is also BS. Not because the people that said it were mean, because they didn't really know what they were talking about. No one knows really, without standardized testing of cells, you can get a bad pack from any company out there. I mean, the cells pretty much come from the same places.

Right now, quality control and CS is what defines the better companies and that's it. So ''you get what you paid for'' relates to what the good companies are willing to do to fix the problem of bad lipo cells finding their way in their lipo packs. These companies that are trying their best to do the right thing must suffer from the lack of standardization on the testing of the cells they buy. It all starts with the manufacturer of those cells, that's where a global standardization is needed. Cells come out, are tested in the same manner that is globally recognized and then graded. Like beef. Grade A cells, grade B cells etc. Now the companies that buy cells to assemble packs and sell them can chose the quality of the cells they put in them and price accordingly. And WE will finally know what we are really buying and finally the words ''you get what you pay for'' will regain their true meaning.

I wonder what maxamps would do If you sent them a discharge graph made on a CBA analyzer for one of there packs, then asked for your money back for poor performace.

Well my attempts to get a decent comparison failed, bashing was a Slash VXL (VXL motor died, rotor shattered so was running a Turnigy 36-50-3300kv 2 pole toaster) The "new"Max Amps race editions tripped the VXL's LVC after 5 minutes, threw my older race pack in (Enerland 5050mah 30C) which I'd done 10 minutes in my SCRT10 with, and was fine for another half hour.

...would indicate a great deal of voltage sag under load, so early in the discharge curve too.

I found this VERY interesting......http://spokane.craigslist.org/mnu/2144760186.html Yeah sure, pay me 9 bucks an hour to assemple your $200 battery packs. That is BARELY above minimum wage here.

Must..........resist........................ Flaming ..................MA, sigh of exasperation.

Simply awesome find. Make sure to get a screen copy before it gets deleted. Priceless, 9 an hour. Pathetic.

I am very torn by these last few posts.
If someone happens to mention the cost of MA's packs, it seems a line forms to see who can join in and bash the fastest. Now the complaint is MA is trying to keep their costs low which is somehow bad.
And before anyone accuses me of favoritism, I am a competitor of MA.
Come on guys.

95% of the crap they get from this forum is brought upon themselves for various reasons.

Not debating that at all.

One day this thread will die. I will not miss it.

Why do I always have this image in my head whenever I think of Maxamps?

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...-stay-puft.jpg

Cost of the packs is completely beside the point.

MA have CONSITENTLY made claims that their products simply could not back up. They have provided little to no factual information (graphs, etc) to back up their products. They bully individuals if any claims against their specs are put out. I could go on and on (and have done so) about what I have seen them do since they started selling lipo.

There is a reason why they are not on this site as a mfg anymore, might want to look into that before you go any further.

And yes, they do sell a product at a preimium price that is generally viewed here as middle of the road, performance-wise. Yes their stuff works, in a crawler or if you put an "8000mah 30c" in a rustler. But us here that run heavy powerful fast electric rc have found that their stuff does just not measure up. Maybe the packs work in ROAR approved spec racing or something like that but they do not work in a 15lb monster truck that is geared for 60mph. Since they have started they have routinely rated lipos 10c or greater than what the batts can actually do. Now they are throwing out 150c or 75c or WTFc or whatever. Just pure BS, as always.

Have their products got better? Yes, they have, but they are still putting out ridiculous specs and generally trying to sell via advertising that is just not true. I know the crawler bunch like them, and I know that they sell to alot of traxxas owners. Do the plane guys use MA? Do the EDF jet guys use MA????? How about the big Heli guys doing 3d? No, they do not. Want the best, look to the people pushing the envelope, just that simple. See what they are using.

I use RCM parts for my builds when I can cause makes the best stuff. I use CC products because they make the best too. I used to use enerland mfg cells when they were the best too. Lipo tech has come along way, and prices are dropping while power and quality are going up.

I am not questioning any of the past history noted, however a couple of the illogical posts above are confusing. That's all; no more, no less.

That and $9 an hour is still 100x the pay for the kids in china. They'll never be able to compete on cost alone.

My point is that I always figured they would pay their employess a little more than minimum wage. Im betting they have no benefits, no paid vacation and no paid holidays. But maybe, just maybe they get to use the Maxamps track if they want..YIPPEE! And they treat customers like crap, so how are the employees treated? Makes me glad i have a job already!