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Freezebyte 10.22.2010 12:18 AM
And have an oily mess being flung around my diff case? Screw that, my center gears are doing just fine

What's_nitro? 10.22.2010 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Freezebyte (Post 384928)
And have an oily mess being flung around my diff case? Screw that, my center gears are doing just fine
So you dont have any oil at all in your diffs/tranny? Not even silicone oil? That's bad news...

josh9mille 10.22.2010 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 384918)
And just a little tip. Some lucas/stp oil stabilizer in your flux steel geared tranny will make it last alot longer. A teaspoon or so will do, just enough to cover the teeth of the bottom gear so when it spins it picks the oil up.
I might have to try this. Maybe use some RTV sealant on the tranny halves so it doesnt leak. I play with those Lucas oil dispays every time i go to the parts house, it seems to work pretty well.

reno911 10.22.2010 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 384904)
I think the pede 4x4 is killer, would buy one tomorrow if the lhs had it.

Not too fond of the vxl stuff, but I bet on 3s lipo geared way down to 45mph or so it will do just fine. Never had any issues with higher rpm cheaper bl setups geared down. I ran a crap load of feigaos before medusa came out and they all did well for me. Would like to see a 15l sized motor in there on 5s lipo with a mmpro or something like that esc. Way too much power!!!

As far as traxxas making crap... I have owned just about every platform traxxas has made, and their stuff is well engineered and easy to work on (save for the jato tranny).

I will say some other platforms (cough lst couch) may be better than traxxas' MT offerings, but they are still good. If you keep an emaxx light and run stock sized wheels/tires on it they are quite durable, add some rpm parts and they are much better. Same thing with the revo, they are 10th sized trucks, leave them that way and they do well, if you want bigger go up to a converted lst or cen monster.

As far as rtr goes, traxxas blows everyone else out of the water, in price and specs. Maybe losi gets close, but most of their stuff is badge engineered (worse than traxxas) and I never cared for their fragile race vehicles.

Traxxas makes good entry level stuff. At least their E-MT trannies stay together under power (cough flux cough)...
+1

Traxxas makes quality RC in my eyes. Every RC has it's downside. Even the extremely over engineered RC's aren't perfect. My local indoor track runs many different Short Coarse trucks. The more the Slash 4x4 wins on the track the more of them I see. The truck is very competitive out of the box, a few tweaks and your done. Nothing major needed to race it. For someone just joining the hobby that is a thing of beauty.

JThiessen 10.22.2010 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Freezebyte (Post 384907)
With the improvements/changes to the Flux tranny, I don't find that argument valid anymore. Bulletproof diffs + HD drive gear = almost invincible drivetrain. The again, 6s lipo is more then enough to trash any drive train if you drive like an uncaring moron.
I find the two manufactures tranny's to be relatively the same. Out of the box, not reliable for 6S. Now if you upgrade them with steel gears, then both will handle 6S well. I agree on the rest of the drive train - HPI does get the nod there.

As far as the Stampede, I challenge anyone to grab an equivelent 1/10 2WD MT and see how well it holds up to 40 mph bashing...the key there is 2WD MT - the RC10's compare more to the Rustler.

Some of you weren'' around prior to the Revo coming out - it was the most revolutionary MT ever. An engineering marvel in the world of RC. It also propelled the brushless push here - how many of us spent the better part of a year or so figuring out how to stick electric power in one...?

And how about the technology in the Summit....might not be up to high power brushless, but have you seen any other company design something that complex?

My only beef with Traxxas was the grandstanding leading up to product releases, and only find out they have done a rebadged this or that...

The world wide web has made it quite easy for a clerk at 7-11 to belittle an engineering staff while he is on his 10 minute state mandated break for hourly workers..

mistercrash 10.22.2010 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 384960)
I find the two manufactures tranny's to be relatively the same. Out of the box, not reliable for 6S.
I can't comment on the Flux tranny, some are very happy with it with upgraded gears in it. I know for a fact that the gears in the Traxxas BL E-Revo tranny don't need to be upgraded. I ran the E-Revo tranny on 6S in a 14 pound LST XXL all summer remember? The E-Revo tranny is very reliable on 6S. I will admit that it does need one inexpensive upgrade though, the Hot Racing double slipper. If you happen to have the newer model of tranny that comes with the aluminum slipper pads then you're all set, absolutely no upgrade needed for 6S.

nitrostarter 10.22.2010 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Freezebyte (Post 384766)
Dude Traxxas is the Wal-Mart of the RC community. Crap loads of cheap of american designed, chinese made RC products sold for a low price point with tons of marketing that excites and convinces everyone to buy their products that are at best, decent as a jack of all trades and good at none of them with substandard service to back back them up.

Freeze, are you referring to Traxxas's customer support being substandard here? Have you ever had an experience with Traxxas CS? Every one that I have had, as well as everyone else I know of, has had exceptional support and no issues to report. Traxxas's customer support is right there with Castle Creations in my book.




As far as drivetrains, lets also keep in mind that HPI also updated their diffs to the bulletproof diffs to make their trucks more reliable.

Traxxas has yet to update the Revo diff, but they still hold up fine in most cases. I would imagine an update in this department would also be to a bulletproof, or 1/8th, style diff.



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Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 384960)
Some of you weren'' around prior to the Revo coming out - it was the most revolutionary MT ever. An engineering marvel in the world of RC. It also propelled the brushless push here - how many of us spent the better part of a year or so figuring out how to stick electric power in one...?

I'm going to agree here as well but make a slight correction. The original Emaxx, which did in fact revolutionize the MT world with its 4" of ground clearance and wheelie power out of the box, is what spearheaded the Brushless discovery and push for more power. Then when the Revo was released 2-4 years later, of course we wanted to stick BL power in the truck!!


Traxxas is a very powerful and influential company. Anytime they can spen that much money on sponsorships of large sporting event and segments, you know they are doing something right.

JThiessen 10.22.2010 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 384961)
I ran the E-Revo tranny on 6S in a 14 pound LST XXL all summer remember? The E-Revo tranny is very reliable on 6S.
That's true. I wonder though what the outcome would have been if you hadn't blown your diffs all the time (may have been the same outcome....nobody knows for certain).

Freezebyte 10.22.2010 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by What's_nitro? (Post 384930)
So you dont have any oil at all in your diffs/tranny? Not even silicone oil? That's bad news...
I'm talking about the center 50/50 power split tranny on the Flux, not the front and rear diffs.

TexasSP 10.22.2010 12:43 PM
Freeze, you are like a teenage girl with RC's so pardon if no one really pays attention to your opinions. Anything that happens to you with an RC even slightly negative and you are running around screaming OMG OMG OMG the sky is falling. Not trying to be mean but it's true.

Traxxas does a damn good job at what they do and have hands down changed the RC market forever. They broke down the layers of the hobby snobbery which existed so heavily pre 2000 and made hobby level RC available, affordable, and understandable to every one.

Name one RC company that has literally redesigned anything in recent years? What that is so revolutionary has come out of HPI, Losi, Team AE, Ofna, etc?

I would also wonder why not use the slash 4x4 platform more? Have you actually experience with it those who are knocking it? It's one of the toughest and most versatile RC platforms ever. While not particularly revolutionary in design it works very well. Why should they reinvent the wheel at every turn?

mistercrash 10.22.2010 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 384967)
That's true. I wonder though what the outcome would have been if you hadn't blown your diffs all the time (may have been the same outcome....nobody knows for certain).
Well the fact that the rear diff blew so often shows me that it might have been the weak link in the drive train. And that LST XXL diff with the HD cup is well known to be very strong and dependable. The E-Revo tranny always came out shinning with no visible signs of wear. We will surely find out how the outcome will be and if that tranny will still perform as well because the truck is on its way to nitrostarter as we speak. :yes: Maybe he will find if there was a problem that I over looked about the rear diff.

josh9mille 10.22.2010 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 384986)
Freeze, you are like a teenage girl with RC's so pardon if no one really pays attention to your opinions. Anything that happens to you with an RC even slightly negative and you are running around screaming OMG OMG OMG the sky is falling.
:lol: :lol: :lol: You hit the nail on the head with that one!

JThiessen 10.22.2010 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 384986)
Freeze, you are like a teenage girl with RC's so pardon if no one really pays attention to your opinions. Anything that happens to you with an RC even slightly negative and you are running around screaming OMG OMG OMG the sky is falling. Not trying to be mean but it's true.

I would also wonder why not use the slash 4x4 platform more? Have you actually experience with it those who are knocking it?
Ditto on both of those.

I guess you could have taken my first response as bashing the Slash platform...that wasn't the intent. Merely dissapointed that I can take one of my two slash 4x4's and make a Stampede 4x4!!! :party:

josh9mille 10.22.2010 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 384987)
Well the fact that the rear diff blew so often shows me that it might have been the weak link in the drive train. And that LST XXL diff with the HD cup is well known to be very strong and dependable. The E-Revo tranny always came out shinning with no visible signs of wear. We will surely find out how the outcome will be and if that tranny will still perform as well because the truck is on its way to nitrostarter as we speak. :yes: Maybe he will find if there was a problem that I over looked about the rear diff.
I have to agree, the revo tranny is amazing, especially for being plastic. Probably has something to do with the 1/2 inch wide contact pattern on all the gears.

Freezebyte 10.22.2010 01:21 PM
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