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mckrill 05.08.2010 07:21 AM

What I like with the plastic shock towers is the amazing flex. I am not to found of using aluminium at stress areas at all. I have considered to make my own shock tower in Kevlar, or perhaps even better glass fiber (as it flexes a bit more & would be very cheap to make in larger numbers as I plan to break a few..).

Here is a video of the first bench test I did this wednesday evening.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TZIFV_kQTU[/YOUTUBE]

And the direct link if the video does not work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TZIFV_kQTU

mckrill 05.08.2010 11:06 AM

Here's the complete truck with body - RTR

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/img_0074_comp.jpg

There's a lot of air between the body and the chassies, but the shock towers prevent it from being lowered any further.

bigsteel 05.08.2010 11:49 AM

Wow, can't wait to see the first run of this monster!--Josh

mckrill 05.08.2010 12:13 PM

I can't get the youtupe wrap to work - here's the direct linkt to the 3 videos I uploaded Thursday evening. Unfortunately not edited at all and almost stormy conditions - I'll make something more professional when I have some more material to work with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lih9dul5lp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAj-KRqn85k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lih9dul5lp4

Fast5sRevo88 05.08.2010 01:30 PM

That thing is WWIICCKKEEDD!!:diablo:

Ryu James 05.08.2010 01:34 PM

Nice Work!
 
Dude, just read through whole thread. Great job! i have done several custom builds with some fab here on the forum but never have i attempted to lay my own carbon/kevlar from scratch all the way! Turned out solid, man! That thing has got some nuts, too!

ANGRY-ALIEN 05.08.2010 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrill (Post 363498)
I can't get the youtupe wrap to work - here's the direct linkt to the 3 videos I uploaded Thursday evening. Unfortunately not edited at all and almost stormy conditions - I'll make something more professional when I have some more material to work with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lih9dul5lp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAj-KRqn85k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lih9dul5lp4

To get the vids to work, copy the characters after the equal sign (=) in the video link and pasted them in the 'youtube dialogue box' when preparing the thread... see the below....

= lAj-KRqn85k
= lih9dul5lp4

[YOUTUBE]lAj-KRqn85k[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]lih9dul5lp4[/YOUTUBE]


Love your build dude... that thing has got a whole lot of power...

Alien

coolink13 05.08.2010 01:57 PM

Wow i just found your build. Awesome work!!! You are talented. What is the top speed in m.p.h???

Fast5sRevo88 05.08.2010 02:30 PM

That thing goes 0-to piss yourself in 1.5 seconds:lol:.

simplechamp 05.08.2010 02:42 PM

Awesome truck, you got me very interested in learning how to lay my own CF and kevlar.

Looks like your going to need some one million weight oil for the center differential!

Kcaz25 05.08.2010 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by simplechamp (Post 363510)

Looks like your going to need some one million weight oil for the center differential!

For speed runs though I think the current amount is more accurate.

When you get those towers made maybe you can get a body that fits the quality of the rest of the truck.

suicideneil 05.08.2010 06:20 PM

Does need a slightly longer shell, maybe one made from kevlar :lol: :yes:

Insane amounts of power, those poor tyres wont last too long- got to love overkill :yipi:

nitrostarter 05.08.2010 06:54 PM

Nice pizza cutters there!!!

mckrill 05.09.2010 01:42 PM

Thanks for the nice words and the help with youtube!

I thought I should post some images of the battle scars from the 5-10 minutes ride I did so far.

Blistered arms, wont last long, but will at least help me get rid of the colour of the springs:lol:

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/img_0103.jpg

Some bent screws from the only jump I did.. Needs some serious re-engineering here.. I could see that coming - but wanted a test ride so bad..

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/img_0092_comp.jpg

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/img_0090_comp.jpg

I'd have to get some new wheels though, so I can have them taped. Any suggestions?

Chadworkz 05.09.2010 03:23 PM

Wow, just wow!

mckrill 05.10.2010 03:52 AM

At the moment I am heavily considering to invest in a Schulze ESC as it has brakes. I think it would be almost impossible to fit any mechanical brakes into the truck as well, and it would also result in more weight :cry:

I hope a 40.160 would be enough, on the specs it compares to the JetiSpin200 I'm using and I have seen speed boats running LMT 3080 motors on the 40.160 so it should be able to work - it however requires water cooling. Any opinions and experiences to share with me on this would be appreciated.

lutach 05.10.2010 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrill (Post 363712)
At the moment I am heavily considering to invest in a Schulze ESC as it has brakes. I think it would be almost impossible to fit any mechanical brakes into the truck as well, and it would also result in more weight :cry:

I hope a 40.160 would be enough, on the specs it compares to the JetiSpin200 I'm using and I have seen speed boats running LMT 3080 motors on the 40.160 so it should be able to work - it however requires water cooling. Any opinions and experiences to share with me on this would be appreciated.

I ran my 40.160 with 10S lipos, Neu 1521/1Y in my truggy and it did a great job in destroying my diffs :lol:, putting out over 140A burst multiple times and providing close to 10 minutes of pure speed rush. Since I have the older 40.160, it doesn't have an LVC. The new ones I think does and you might be able to make a heat sink for it. I have now switched to my own ESCs and I use a 10S version in my race truggy and the 6S version in the truggy mentioned above.

Chadworkz 05.10.2010 05:58 AM

mckrill; what brand & model tires are those?

suicideneil 05.10.2010 09:45 AM

Damn, thats got more damage after one run than my Gmaxx has after about 3-4 years...

mckrill 05.10.2010 12:14 PM

Hello,

The tires are Panther Meat Grinder T100
http://www.pantherteam.com/index.php...roducts_id=180

Yes, the truck took some serious beating, gotta get those hoses really soon.

Lutach - thanks for the information. I followed the build of your ESC for quite some time, it's available?

lutach 05.10.2010 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrill (Post 363768)
Lutach - thanks for the information. I followed the build of your ESC for quite some time, it's available?

I actually did it to show that a airplane ESC can be programmed with a car software. It was also to show how efficient a proper HV set up runs. Now I'm waiting for more manufacturers to come out with a HV controller. My plan is to visit Castle Creations and see if Patrick can make my own designs. I'm also still waiting for a guy to make me a heat sink that has the ability to move 2-3 times more heat away from the MOSFETs, so if that works out or gets made, it should make things a bit easier. Some of my ideas have been used already, but the good ones are still in my head.

mckrill 05.11.2010 03:20 AM

Whaow, can't wait to get my hands on one of those..

I feel that 14s becomes a little messy, partly due to the limited numbers of 7s packages and chargers available. 12s would be ideal and still keep the current draw low enough to use more simple connectors, thinner cables etc.

BEC availability is a problem by it self, but I consider to get one of the western robotics Hercules BEC's, it is supposed to be good for 14s. Anyone having experience with them?

mckrill 05.11.2010 08:13 AM

Does anyone know were to get 10mm bore Mod1 pinions?

JERRY2KONE 05.11.2010 08:28 AM

Suggestion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrill (Post 363901)
Does anyone know were to get 10mm bore Mod1 pinions?

My suggestion would be to shoot MonsterMike a PM and ask him for what you require. He may already have something or can more than likely get his hands on it.

suicideneil 05.12.2010 06:08 PM

10mm bore? Wow, thats huge- give these guys a try too:

http://www.sdp-si.com/

redshift 05.13.2010 11:16 PM

Good stuff man, pretty sure kevlar hasn't been done before!

JThiessen 05.13.2010 11:35 PM

To solve your shock mount issue - just fab up a plate that goes across the backside of both shocks. I bent my FLM towers when I converted to the LST shocks, and putting that plate on solved it.

eh...now that I read the rest of the thread, I see that Neil bet me to it....

If you do upgrade to aluminum towers, you might also consider doing the bulkheads. They become the weak point (been there, done that).

JERRY2KONE 05.14.2010 12:17 AM

Never ending
 
Thats the thing with these types of builds. Once you start the upgrading process it never ends. If you improve one weak spot because it revealed itself during opporation it moves the weak point to another part. This is why my projects have taken so long to build. I have been trying to avoid wasting time putting what I know are already weak parts into my projects by purchasing better components, and that all takes time and money that take time to come up with. Nothing ever really reaches "Bulletproof" capaciaty, because we keep coming up with ways to break them.

mckrill 05.14.2010 03:22 AM

Good answering Jerry!

I have decided to keep the plastic shock towers, but add the brace - I already have a 4mm CF-plate for this..

When running the truck last time I noticed that the motor did run hot, so have decided to change to a motor with one more winding, and also add the air-cooling / fan option.

I have also been investigating the ESC situation again and decided that the best option woul be to go for the Schulze 40.160wk ESC, it would also solve the brake issue.. The Jetispin200 will be up for sale (or Ill use it for another project I have on the planning stage)

mckrill 05.14.2010 03:25 AM

I made a try to fit a larger diameter motor in, but as of now the maximum diameter before actually having contact with the drive shaft is apx 45-46mm. Using a larger Pinion and lower kV would improve the situation, but no very much.

mothman 05.14.2010 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrill (Post 362974)


What turn buckle/tie rod is that? Looks really tough.

mckrill 05.14.2010 06:33 AM

The rod is from the FLM kit, but the plastic parts I am not sure anymore, perhaps it is the original from the SavageX SS kit?

mckrill 05.18.2010 05:02 AM

Last week I ordered a new motor with air cooling that should run a little cooler. I was considering to use a larger diameter motor and reviewed the measurements again, but 44-46mm is the maximum, so it had to be a new Lehner, this time with air cooling and slightly less kV of 822 compared to the previous 925. This is how it will look:

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/22_800.jpg

mckrill 05.18.2010 05:04 AM

I am negotiating the terms for a Schulze 40.160wk ESC as well, but those Germans really want to be payed by bank transfer..

I also mounted the Swaybars this weekend, it only required minimal modifications.

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/kr_ng2.jpg

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/kr_ng1.jpg

suicideneil 05.19.2010 08:34 PM

I love those Lenhers with the built in fan, such a cool design ( pun not intended ).

mckrill 05.20.2010 10:29 AM

Yeah, I like the design too.

For the motor I also ordered the water jacket. I just ordered the Schulze 40.160, also with channels for water cooling.... so what is missing?

Hence I ordered some micro pumps and micro radiators to experiment with:

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/m200_p_large_gold.jpg

These pumps weight 12 grams only! I ordered two versions with different flow and pressure capability. (1.6W)

I also ordered two sizes of radiators, Large = 75x50x9mm.

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/tc...radiaitor_.jpg

Small = 45x25x9mm

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/1/5/3/tc...adiator_1_.jpg

Should be fun:lol::lol:

ANGRY-ALIEN 05.20.2010 10:46 AM

:surprised:.... wow... I can't wait to see this assembled.

Fast5sRevo88 05.20.2010 12:16 PM

Where did u get those pumps and radiators?

suicideneil 05.20.2010 12:39 PM

http://www.micropumps.co.uk/

I've always wondered how well those water cooling sytems would actually work, but the cost & lack of space on my trucks put me off; this should be very interesting to watch.

Chadworkz 05.21.2010 01:35 AM

I can't wait to see this installed!


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