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Overdriven 02.18.2012 08:56 PM

Good to see your still working on this, love how its turning out.

JERRY2KONE 02.19.2012 05:47 AM

Weird looking
 
That channel is kind of weird looking. I think I would have tried to find some way to shape the chasis a little bit to reduce the flexing instead of adding more parts to the setup? That exta aluminum just looks a little bit ghetto to me. Maybe just a piec of althread would not look so over bearing. Just another view or idea. Don't get me wrong we have to find what work for us, but I think I would have found another way. R&D is always a series of trials and tribulations. It is good to see that you have not given up on this.

_paralyzed_ 02.19.2012 07:06 AM

Do the U!!!!!!
 
Compared to a traditional r/c the u looks a little out of place, but for a custom build I love it!:love:

There is plenty of strength there, a few random holes won't weaken anything, I say you cut holes to run wires and further cleanup the wiring. I like what you did with the motor wires.:yes:

pinkpanda3310 02.19.2012 07:27 AM

I've seen angle used like that in a few cars. TBH it does look a bit ghetto but it adds so much rigidity. Nice work Brian.

I was thinking of getting some of these baja wheel extenders. I was thinking to use the fronts, lop off the 12mm axle and dill out the centre to suit the lst axle. Do you think this would work?

brian015 02.19.2012 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310 (Post 418237)
I've seen angle used like that in a few cars. TBH it does look a bit ghetto but it adds so much rigidity. Nice work Brian.

I was thinking of getting some of these baja wheel extenders. I was thinking to use the fronts, lop off the 12mm axle and dill out the centre to suit the lst axle. Do you think this would work?

That could work. Or you could use the rears with a 8mm id, 12mm od insert.

pinkpanda3310 02.19.2012 07:58 AM

It occurred to me that I could use a sleeve but it would need to be a snug fit to reduce slop.

brian015 02.19.2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310 (Post 418242)
It occurred to me that I could use a sleeve but it would need to be a snug fit to reduce slop.

Yes - but if you could find some 12mm rod or thick walled tube, you could drill a 8mm hole and be in business.

But if you want the full extension of these pro-line adapters I'm using, they are a direct fit on an 8mm axle. I only have to add an insert to them when I make them shorter: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-Line-23m...item2318c5e810

brian015 02.19.2012 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE (Post 418233)
That channel is kind of weird looking. I think I would have tried to find some way to shape the chasis a little bit to reduce the flexing instead of adding more parts to the setup? That exta aluminum just looks a little bit ghetto to me. Maybe just a piec of althread would not look so over bearing. Just another view or idea. Don't get me wrong we have to find what work for us, but I think I would have found another way. R&D is always a series of trials and tribulations. It is good to see that you have not given up on this.

While it may look ghetto at first glance, eventually I'm sure that you will realize that this u-channel (like the i-beam in construction) has both utility and a pleasing form. :whistle:

I actually put a lot of thought into bracing this - as it is a long truck and I chose to use a flat chassis for this build - for the ease of layout. I don't have a mill, nor will I use any machine-shop services for this build, so changing the chassis was not an option.

I thought of different ways to bracing the length of the truck. Smaller braces front and back (like on truggies) would not work because it is too long. I thought of doing something down the center on the principle of the ue razorback - but the design was becoming too complex with the center diff and too much material would be used, in my opinion. In the end, the simplest solution seemed best - a top plate, which is all I have here. I couldn't use a flat top plate unless I attached it to the chassis at many points along its length - which I didn't really want to do. Finally, the u-channel is incredibly simple - just attach front and back - and has the extra usefulness of a place to route wiring. I'm still open to buying some different size u-channel (I looked at 1" x 1/8" with 1/2" legs - so lower profile) but this is what I had on hand and decided to try it out. I don't think it looks bad, and in the end, I am going to put a body on it, so we'll see - maybe I'll stick with this and maybe I'll try something else.

pinkpanda3310 02.19.2012 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian015 (Post 418243)
Yes - but if you could find some 12mm rod or thick walled tube, you could drill a 8mm hole and be in business.

Like this? For the effort of drilling out a sleeve I might as well get the baja hex's and drill them.

The price of those prolines is pretty hard to go past:lol:

brian015 02.19.2012 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310 (Post 418245)
Like this? :

Perfect - I've ordered Al tube from that seller before. :yes:

brian015 02.19.2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_ (Post 418234)
Compared to a traditional r/c the u looks a little out of place, but for a custom build I love it!:love:

There is plenty of strength there, a few random holes won't weaken anything, I say you cut holes to run wires and further cleanup the wiring. I like what you did with the motor wires.:yes:

Thanks Harold. And, yes, I was thinking about drilling a few holes for the wires - they would have to be big enough to fit a servo wire connector - so I'll see.

brian015 02.20.2012 02:47 PM

I had some pvc channel that fit over my al channel perfectly - so decided to use it for a cover and contain my wiring and bec underneath:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2705Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2706Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2707Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2710Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2711Small.jpg

The receiver will mount on top of the pvc in front by the hole with the wires coming out ready to plug in.

Overdriven 02.20.2012 04:40 PM

Caving in to peer pressure? Just playin, the pvc does make a nice cover and finishes it off. Function over Form, but there's nothing wrong with dressing things up a bit at times.

brian015 02.20.2012 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overdriven (Post 418300)
Caving in to peer pressure? Just playin, the pvc does make a nice cover and finishes it off. Function over Form, but there's nothing wrong with dressing things up a bit at times.

Oh, I doubt that anyone who didn't like the u-channel before will like it better with the pvc cover - but who knows?

Anyway, for those of you who want to incorporate this unique design feature into your next custom build, I used:
1"x1"x1"x1/16" aluminum u-channel from McMaster-Carr
pvc u-channel from smallparts.com (but order from amazon for free super-saver shipping). I cut the pvc legs down to 1.125" for a perfect fit.

brian015 02.23.2012 08:29 PM

And for those of you wondering, the reason I switched to a black 1717 is this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 414430)
We developed a whole new stator and rotor design for this car -- it uses a shorter and lighter rotor for faster spin-up, and is up to 4% more efficient than the original 1717.

The stator design was optimized for higher maximum currents, and higher saturation currents -- so the efficiency doesn't "brick wall" at extreme currents.


Overdriven 02.23.2012 10:41 PM

And here I thought you painted your green 1717. At least wer can get 1717's again

brian015 02.25.2012 12:04 PM

I finished making a rear body mount with some rpm maxx posts, some pieces of a Baja 5b roll cage, a piece of Al angle (of course) and a piece of lexan:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2733Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2731Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2735Small.jpg


I'm using the existing holes in the FG Hummer body. So here's how it looks with the body on:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2730Small.jpg

Overdriven 02.25.2012 01:41 PM

Looks like the front posts lined up, that was easy. Not sure how strong those 5b rollcage parts are, but you might want to run a brace from the front side of the Al angle to your U channel. Just some flat stock bolted to the Al angle with a 90 degree bend at the bottom to bolt to the U channel would add some strength there if needed.

Almost there. Love the look! You must be itching to pull the trigger on this thing, I know I'm getting anxious over here! Hopefully I'll find some time to chop my LST in half and stretch it out soon, then I'll have more room for my 1717 and cd.

Edit: Nevermind, I see now that the 5b rollcage parts do extend down to where the U channel is.

brian015 02.25.2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overdriven (Post 418524)
Looks like the front posts lined up, that was easy. Not sure how strong those 5b rollcage parts are, but might want to run a brace Front the front side of the Al angle to your U channel. Just some flat stock bolted to the Al angle with a 90 degree bend at the bottom to bolt to the U channel would add some strength there if needed.

I know it's hard to see, but the braces I have mounted underneath the Al angle down to the base of the shock tower are nice and strong - the 5b roll-cage is some beefy black nylon material. If it flexes a little that's fine.

Overdriven 02.25.2012 03:38 PM

At first glance I totally missed the vertical Baja pieces under the Al angle. I thought nothing was there to support the horizontal pieces which wouldn't be good in a rollover. I did notice them soon after posting though. I know you wouldn't have left it like that either way, but you know how everyone likes to add their .02, I'm not an exception to that one...:whistle:

brian015 02.26.2012 08:48 AM

I was looking again at the FG Hummer and what they have done with their truck and the body I'm using. Here are a few pics for comparison:



http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2730Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y...R-1Small-1.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y...024pxSmall.jpg

I made my wheelbase a little shorter than the FG truck to try to match it to the body better. My tires should be almost the same diameter (edit: actually probably not as large - mine are 6.5", the FG's look bigger), but are narrower.

Overdriven 02.26.2012 01:18 PM

I think you are spot on with the wheelbase, I wouldve done the same. I like how you have the body almost at the bottom of the chassis.

aqwut 02.27.2012 12:19 PM

Hurry man, I'm so anxious to see this baby run...

brian015 02.27.2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aqwut (Post 418571)
Hurry man, I'm so anxious to see this baby run...

Me too. Unfortunately, the most daunting task is still in front of me: painting this big body :cry:

All I can hope is that it doesn't turn out too badly.

brian015 03.03.2012 12:27 PM

I decided to try some stiffer shock springs since the 5ive-T front springs are only slightly larger than the RC-Raven springs:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2736Small.jpg

They may end up being too stiff (11.6lb) - we'll see - but they fit on the LST shocks without modification:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2737Small.jpg

I'm also working on some side guards that will attach to the bottom of the chassis and cover the gap between chassis and body - I'll be able to velcro the sides of the body to these:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2741Small.jpg

yzinger02 03.03.2012 07:52 PM

This is by far my favorite build. Keep up the good work!

brian015 03.04.2012 07:09 PM

Thanks, I'm getting there.

Side guards are finished, holes drilled and tapped in the chassis to attach them. Here's how they look installed:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2749Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2751Small.jpg

And you might be able to see how the body lines up with these here:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2756Small.jpg

These guards should help protect the batteries - and maybe keep some debris out of the chassis. They will also protect the bottom of the chassis from getting scraped up - we'll see how long they last there. I need to make a skid plate for the front of the truck and then, I guess I'll need to do some painting.

coolhandcountry 03.05.2012 07:30 PM

Very hard to see the side protectors in pics but what I can see looks great.
Can't wait to see the paint on for a more stand out effect.

brian015 03.05.2012 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry (Post 418896)
Very hard to see the side protectors in pics


That's because I made them out of special invisible material, so that if I don't paint the side guards or body, I can have the "Wonder-woman invisible jet" look:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ppP-3m8emk...er+Price+2.jpg

brian015 03.07.2012 05:57 PM

So, the side guards are no longer invisible - they've been painted black:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2760Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2761Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2759Small.jpg

brian015 03.07.2012 07:19 PM

And with the body on:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2764Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2767Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2765Small.jpg

cmac 03.07.2012 09:25 PM

Looks really good!!!!!I can't wait to see video!!!!!

Overdriven 03.09.2012 09:55 PM

Now those were the pics I was waiting for! Angle shows how everything fits and sits. Can't wait till I can start on my LST, at least I have your thread to get my fix! Great job, can't wait to see more!

killajb 03.10.2012 08:38 PM

I'm sure you've checked, but was wondering if the tires rub against the body when the suspention is fully compressed. Hard to tell by the pics.

Overdriven 03.11.2012 05:56 PM

Questions time. I was mocking up my LST with a RC-M Losi cd mount and I noticed that the 1717 would hit the diff output with 12/50 gearing unless I clearances the fins on the motor. You have the same issue with your custom mounts? Looking back at the 1st page of this thread I noticed you were going to go with 12/54 with an AE cd, you happen to know if the AE 54t fits the Losi cd?

brian015 03.11.2012 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overdriven (Post 419156)
Questions time. I was mocking up my LST with a RC-M Losi cd mount and I noticed that the 1717 would hit the diff output with 12/50 gearing unless I clearances the fins on the motor. You have the same issue with your custom mounts? Looking back at the 1st page of this thread I noticed you were going to go with 12/54 with an AE cd, you happen to know if the AE 54t fits the Losi cd?

Here's mine with 14/50 gearing. Notice that with my 1/4" motor mount the fins are beyond the diff output, so I have plenty of room.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2769Small.jpg

The AE 54t spur is not a direct fit on the Losi diff cup. But if you got the entire AE diff, I think it would fit in the Losi mount. Here is the length of the RC8T diff:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2771Small.jpg

brian015 03.11.2012 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killajb (Post 419113)
I'm sure you've checked, but was wondering if the tires rub against the body when the suspention is fully compressed. Hard to tell by the pics.

Only when the front wheels are turned will the body hit.

Overdriven 03.11.2012 11:23 PM

Thanks for the info! I didn't think about spacing the motor out until you pointed that out. Would save me from buying another cd or hunting some down Muggy diff gears.

brian015 03.17.2012 10:06 AM

Body mask cut:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2774Small.jpg

First color painted (Tamiya PS-9 green rattle can) :

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2785Small.jpg

That's the best picture I got w/o a flash so you could see the color. I'll be painting the trim in black.

brian015 03.29.2012 06:01 PM

Paint job is finished - here are some outdoor and indoor pics:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2827Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2828Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2842Small.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2843Small.jpg

I'm happy with it. :smile:


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