Me myself i cant wait untill these X0-1's get in normal everyday peoples hands PLEASE post first runs on youtube!!!hahaa

OOOHH SHAT BOYZ!Guess what im doing... im building a new ofna dm-1 spec e to race the X0-1's.google dm-1 spec e i dare you!and i have 26 days to do it.what makes the X0-1's so deadly for on road racing is acceleration period.im gonna use impenema sliks 45 shore in the front and impenema slik 65 shore the rear. solid center spool 46/30 gearing should keep me right along side traxxas's new shark and then ....let the best batteries win.

HUH, you would need 35 shore Ipanema's, unless you decide to use tire warmers.

A lot... we buy directly from Infineon, and still can't get enough.

Looks like we used about 420K last month.

asphalt temps in miami are 140 degrees on a bad day sir. tore off 35 shore mid run.

I use to live in Ft Lauderdale/Sunrise area. I know the heat. It's nothing compared to Houston summers. I use the 35 shore in dragracing in the hot temps. It's the only advantage you will have in acceleration. If you tore them up, you will need to look at your setup. I never tore mine up.

I have another question.
-Can a Castle Creation MMM handle "Traxxas Big Block Brushless (1650 Kv)
motor" on 6s battery pack?









P.s but the real questions is who will go faster than 100mph(maybe 150 mph) :diablo:

I can't see why not. I run my CC 1717s on MMMs. Granted the new motor is a little different (and higher KV) but it shouldn't have a problem handling it.

Definitely buying one if anything to try out some of the new goodies...

mabe i ripped them because my rear is spooled

probably just a fluke

I have a few clients who might be able to help. Send me an e-mail (lbatista@bluecomponents.net) with your target price.

I just can't stop thinking about that stupid limiter :diablo:

There are plenty of Traxxas RCs that are capable of insane speeds, and none of them handle like this new car should (can't say for sure as I've never driven one). I had a 3.3 4-Tec and that thing handled like a brick and the brakes felt like they were made out of cheese. VXL Rustlers will do over 70 MPH with gears and a 3s lipo, and Rustlers are very twitchy at speed unless you put some work into them. Brushless E-Maxxes are just a horrible accident waiting to happen, but again you have to buy batteries and change gearing in order to "unlock" them. The only one I've mentioned that didn't need "unlocked" by upgrading batteries and/or gearing is the 4-Tec, which has been around for ages and keeps getting more and more power but how many terrible accidents do you hear about with those?

So my idea is this: eliminate the limiter and package the car with 4s rather than 6s. You will have to buy bigger packs to get the maximum speed as with all their other electric trucks, but the average idiot is more likely to drive it on 4s at least until their new packs come in and they will have a better feel for it than someone that drops a bunch of money on a car and pulls the trigger. If it'll do 100 on 6s then it should still do 50-60 on 4s, right? That's fast/slow enough they wouldn't really even need to touch the gearing. Surely my insignificant opinion won't mean a damn thing but hey, at least nobody is forcing me to buy one :whistle:

Amen!

Not really seeing why everyone is so wound up about the limited speed?

I think the i phone interface is very cool, and will buy either a i phone or i touch to use with this car. Being able to adjust everything on the fly and have telemetry is just too good to pass up. And it is all user customizable too. Spend another 100 bucks or so on the i product, already spending 800 plus on the car.

My main issue is the 25c lipos... Maybe traxxas is rating them conservatively? I guess if they are using them to get 100mph out of the car then they are fine. I would like to see some performance tests with these lipos.

Which brings up another question: Will this version of the MMM have data logging like the MMXL does?

The interface is very cool, the problem comes from having to have proprietary hardware to unlock what you already paid for. I'm certainly not buying an iPhone just to unlock it and everyone I know either has a Droid, off-brand smartphone, or the basic phone they give you for free and it's a bit odd asking someone to loan you their phone so you can download an app to it for your RC truck.

25C lipos in a 100 MPH car sound like a recipe for disaster, but they include NiMHs for the Brushless Revos and E-Maxxes as well as the Spartan boat.

My question is, who else is going to follow?
I mean this is a great thing but others will watch and see how it turns out.
Maybe this is a new battle for the customers to benefit from.
I like the looks of the car.
Won't do me a bit of good though.

Other Traxxas models will, for sure, be getting this implemented into it and it will become another thing that separates Traxxas from the mainstream (such as the waterproof capabilities and catering towards first-time buyers and bashers). Will other companies follow? That would depend a lot on Castle's deal with Traxxas. HPI sources their brushless technology out to Castle, and if Castle is allowed to sell HPI this ESC then I can see adopting this technology. Losi I could see trying to implement their own form of this system. Anyone else I'd bet it would be a while, they'd likely wait until it has been worked out better and cheaper to implement into their designs.

Well if it can do 100mph on the 25C packs, how long until Maxamps says that their 150C packs will make it go faster again?

Face it we're not the target consumer, the target consumer is the average American who's cashed up, doesn't go on the forums, doesn't race, hacks around occasionally, has a skill level of 2 but thinks they have a skill level of 100++

...same target consumer as Max Amps

well long time that ive post on here,,:yes:...even if the esc is rated to 300amps alot of guy's will toast it anyway....that include me:lol:

finally someone whos straight up about this!No doubt though thunder power 65c will make this go 110 easy,easy but also make it a one pass car.

Question for Patrick:

Does the lockout feature interfere with the timing and torque control settings on the ESC itself if just the Castle Link is used (no iDevice is connected)? Meaning, if I set the torque control to X and timing to Y, does the lockout limit them to something like X/2 and Y/2?

I would understand if you don't want to answer as you are probably going to see what I'm getting at. :whistle:

I would have thought that as an 'expert' car Mechanical brakes would have been in order, what expert needs reverse? And it'd be a LOT easier on the ESC and save a lot of potential warranty claims from ripple current under brakes (extra caps help but why not do all you can, a 1717 stopping from 100mph is bound to put a bit of stress on things.)

everyone need to remember this car wasn't made for people here, it was made for the above average user, around here we are nuts so you all need to stop over thinking it, the car was brought to market in a package that was affordable, not perfect

Ummm, well, I can't comment. I'm really sorry, but I can't.

....or the below average user with a pocket full of cash and way too high an opinion of themselves.

Dunno if I'd label myself an above average user though :whistle:

At the very least it's going to be interesting how the first of these that hit the market do.

I want to see an eagletree of the voltage drops those batteries get under a 300 amp load!

I figured. Can't hurt to try! :smile:

I am not sure if you guys really get it yet...

This thing has a 16" wheelbase and is 27" long. It runs 1/8 scale buggy wheels and tires. I do not think they will afford enough grip to make this car wheely, so it will likely easily spin the tires. That will limit the largest amp draw situation a rc CAR encounters, standing starts with alot of traction. Can it do 300amps? Maybe, but not for very long at all, that would be 6660 watts or 8.9hp... I just do not see 1/8 buggy tires being able to put that kind of power down.

Also, the bulk of experince with the MMM so far has been in monster trucks. Tire/wheel weight is at least 3 times as much compared to the x0-1 tires/wheels.

Braking will not be an issue, as traction will just not be there.

I highly doubt the power system will have any issues, a 10lb car with buggy tires that will not be jumped or off road bashed will lead an easier life than a MT does.

The 25c lipos could be an issue, but if they are "true" 25c then they can output 3.5hp continuous. I would be more worried about the traxxas connectors, but the average amp draw may not be that high.

I am sure a good 40c lipo with 6.5mm bullets will help with acceleration, but that brings us back to the amount of grip offered by the tires. If you are running on cold concrete there will not be much grip. Warm asphalt will be better.

You guys are overthinking this. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these.

Maybe you are just under thinking things Linc.:lol:

As far as traxxas lipos- don't the crazy mah numbers match up with max amps crazy mah numbers? I'm going digging...

Very good stuff here, reading some of the stuff over on the TRX forum after not going there for ~1-2 years has reminded me a lot of the kind of people that forum has. Good to be back here though! :party:

We understand, no harsh feelings. Could you perhaps tell us what would happen if, say, the little speed sensor got "damaged" in a "bad crash" and was no longer attached? Would we have to send back the electronics to have it repaired or would the ESC function without it (minus the telemetry, of course).

The only "review" I've seen of the Traxxas lipos was from The Jang where he hooked them up to a string of light bulbs and didn't do a particularly good comparison but it looked like they weren't bad. The warranty is going to be the selling point for them, without that you can spend less money for the same performance but if you get a bad cell/pack you're stuck with it with cheaper lipos.

With the discussion on who the car is for and the tone it reads like a bunch of elitists, with the many Apple haters I'll say the funny part is that it's the same exact conversation Apple Zealots have about their beliefs.

I guess I'm just an average user then since I'm buying it. Oddly many of the average users that have stated they are buying it are like me with custom fabricated models, many brushless in the stable from 1/5-1/16, or they even own this site. Those average users :)

I like this car. It's got a lot of awesome ideas and I look forward to the future of RC. It will be AWESOME when all of castles ESC are able to be adjusted on a transmitters big color touch screen! :intello:

Transmitters have had big color touchscreens for years but they were 1K plus Futabas like the 14MZ, others have hit the market but this is one of the first "low cost" options.

I'm sorry, I should have specified land use transmitters.... I had a chance to play with the 14MZ at the last years iHobby show, that thing is too cool! Looks like Futaba moved on to the 18MZ now. :lol:

See the XO-1? :whistle:

http://www.part.lt/img/1df0853396e7f...ff82e2d762.bmp

That's because they dropped it on the ground and the rear happened to hit first. And that's just when the camera clicked. :smile:

I am referrring to the xo-1,... Not sure if i understand what you mean?

It's wheeling.

I hope so... :no:

The third vehicle down in the pic he posted is an xo-1 doing a wheelie. His original post had you quoted as saying you don't think it will wheelie.

He meant, "Oh yeah Lincpimp you elitist wiesenheimer, it can too wheelie as evidenced by this photographic proof". But he only said, "see the xo-1".

I used the clues right here in this thread and my amazing powers of deductive reasoning to arrive at this conclusion.

If there is anything else you would like explained, feel free to ask:na:

Patrick, Do you know if the telemetry will be able to be adapted to other manufacturers? Like for instance Losi? I want to get the radio and esc for mine, but it'd be a waste, If i can't use the cool stuff