It's not by choice really. With today's convoluted and messed-up justice system, you absolutely NEED one if in any kind of legal trouble or you will be raked over the coals.

Pro: Yeah, there are always a few "good guys", but it's like finding a priceless gem in a gravel pit.

Just great! :mad:1 More freeloaders that I will be paying for...

Thats funny... but so true, as well as the other things stated by you and others.

Well, as convoluted and messed up as our justice system is, it is still the best going. The biggest and strongest don't always win, and the underdog doesn't always get trampled. If you have a better way of doing it, I'm all ears.

Anyway, this is starting to get off topic, so I'll just let this dog lie.

LOL, yeah, it's becoming a general ranting thread!

A little response about the justice system: Yes, the underlying concept is sound, it's the implementation that needs a lot of work. I just hear too many horror stories that are obviously unfair yet people get away with it because some lawyer find some loophole or a way to flout the intent of a law, while still managing to follow the letter of the law.

Well, what do we have here? Looks like a small case of some people being able to dish it out, but not take it.

Let's start at the top.
The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical engineering professor named Indrek Wichman. Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response to the students' protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The group
had complained the cartoons were "hate speech."

Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the following:

Dear Moslem Association:
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend toprotest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by moremundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks onpublic buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called "whores" in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris France. This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my colleagues.

I counsel your dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile "protests."
If you do not like the values of the West - see the 1st Amendment - you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option. Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.

Cordially,
I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering
As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded and mandatory diversity training for faculty and a seminar on hate and discrimination for freshman. Now the chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his opinion.

For its part, the university is standing its ground, saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks.
That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended for his e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used the same strong language if he'd known it was going to get out.

How's the left going to handle this one? If you're in favor of the freedom of speech, as in the case of Ward Churchill, will the same protections be demanded for Indrek Wichman? I doubt it.

Send this to your friends, and ask them to do the same. Tell them to keep passing it around until the whole country gets it. We are in a war. This political correctness crap is getting old and killing us.

Just great. I was having a good morning until I read that! :mad:1 :mad:1

I think he is abolutely right with the basic message: "If you don't like it here, get the (expletive) out!".

All these cultures come here and get "offended" if anyone says anything about their culture, but it's not OK when the shoe is on the other foot! I believe in equal rights, not special rights.

Arrg! Off for a calming cigarette!

Sorry Brian. Didn't mean to get you upset this morning, but my dad sent it to me and I thought it was an interesting read. On top of that my brother-in-law is a Michigan State Alum.

"Nail on head, did that email hit" said master Yoda. Thats exactly the point; its finefor 'them' to come over 'here' and complain about our culture, and demand we adjust to suit them (or the government gives out special treatment without even bothering to check if they should), and we have to put up with it. The moment someone points out the flaws with 'their' society, or what there is of it (think of the women), we end up with protests calling for non-muslims to be executed etc, while the police stand idley by, unwilling or unable to intervene incase they infringe on their rights to call for our murders. I dont believe Islam or any other religion is evil, its just a case of a minority interpreting the teaching in a twisted way. Example-

In the middle ages the Christian crusaders went other to that part of the world and waged a holy war "in the name of christ", converting muslims etc to christianity, or murdering those who refused.

Nower days, it seems some muslim radicals want everyone to sign up to islam, at gun point sometimes if they want to live, and the invaders* are the ones being slaughtered.

*if only they realised we're not invading, we just want to help them rebuild & start over on a better path.

It seems little had been learnt about religious conflicts since the time of christ. Bah....