I emailed Tekin about the R1MT and this was their reply:

any progress yet???

Just like CC with the MMM. They just talk about it. I remember when Tekin used to come out with some amazing brushed ESC, but now they just talk about releasing something and then nothing. I think people have moved on to other Brushless ESC, specially when they offer ESC that can handle up to 10-12S lipos and gave up on the good ol' Tekin. I used to be a Tekin faithful guy, but they blew it with all the talk. In a few days I might post something right here and in the MMM thread.

Designing a brushless esc is much much difficult than making a brushed esc and when it comes to rc cars, I think we should wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait an.................

They advertised it and then nothing. If I was designing a ESC, first I would know not to advertise when something is not done. If a controller is 99% done, then yes advertise it, but not like they did. Just wait a few days and I'll post something here. Lets see if it's going to wake them up a bit.

Both Castle and Tekin jumped the gun and screwed up. I went with Quark on my heavy trucks because i needed an esc NOW, not when they decided i needed it.

I hope Tekin lowers the price on their Brushless controllers just to say, "We messed up here is a good discount".

same here thats why I went with a quark and now an mgm16018 for my truggy. by the time these come out I will not need them anymore.

http://www.teamtekin.com/graphics/banners/b3.jpg

Of course my idea of soon is probably not the same as theirs....

Isn't there a law against false advertisement?

Kinda makes you wonder why BOTH Tekin and the MMM seem to be following the same release schedule (or lack thereof)? IIRC, there was some mention of both ESCs being based on the same thing...

Have you guys seen the prices for the Tekin Brushless on Horizon? Tekin keeps saying they are not the same as CC, but who era they trying to fool. They just put them inside a plastic case.

TBH, it would make sense to outsource the hardware portion to a vendor like castle and then create their own software for how they want theirs to perform.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?t=179379
looks like they might be making some progress after all. of course they dont actually show you the esc and motor, but they do have 8th scale with a brushless conversion. they say its running the neu well.

Tekin has for sure been working on the MT controller - I have helped them convert the 8T truggy and Dan set them up with the 8B conversion. I have set their emaxx up with some durability parts as well for testing.
Tekin is not Castle, either. At one point, they used the same motor mfg for their mini systems, but the controllers are indeed their own - motors come from many sources and many different companies use the same sources. Likewise, most controllers use similar components - of course they all need the same or similar items/components, but Tekin controllers are NOT made by Castle as others have suggested.

Mike, good to hear that they had your help in setting up the truggy. Also it appears that Dan is also starting to get a pretty good following at rctech, and also does very nice work.

How many people will actually buy a Tekin R1MT after this long wait. If the price of the R1 that are posted in Tower and Horizon are true, just imagine how much the R1MT will be. It is also strange that Tekin came out with a mini system just like CC's and they anonced the MT right about the same time as the MMM. Like I said in the MMM thread, I know the manufacturer that will be making the Much More BL ESC and I think that CC and Tekin basically uses the same source (factory) to make their products, but Tekin might be more technical about things since they have an awesome reputation to keep up with their race winning Brushed ESC.

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Someone just informed me of this discussion and I thought I would chime in.
The Brushless electric set ups we are putting in our 1/8th scales and Trucks are all in uncharted territory. We are experiencing amp draw and drive train pressures in race and bash conditions that have never been experienced before.
I regularly talk with Jim Cambell about the conditions we are seeing and things we are experiencing on the track in race conditions. I am sure Mike has also. I also have talked with NOVAK and CC.
These electronics especially with the Neu motors and 4S batteries have never seen this type of abuse. The run times with the Lipos are incredible. The Amp draw of the system is more then most telemetry systems will handle.
And I see from reading this that some want even more!! They want electronics that handle 5S or 6S packs. That power will be almost unuseable except for all out high speed runs.
With my EH7 with a Neu 1512 1.5D/F and a 6000 4S set up. I can easily run for 15 min in race conditions. I see motor temps in the 170's and ESC temps at about 150. Even the wires and connectors have to be beefed up to handle the loads.
It is an exciting time. We are all impatient... every time I talk or email a manufacturer, the first thing I tell them is HURRY UP!!!
If you already have a set up running... share what you are experiencing. The good and the bad. I know the manufactures are reading all these discussions and hopefully using some of the info in their development and fellow racers will benefit from it too.
Dan

Well said - this is a great time for the brushless/lipo industry! I bet we'll continue seeing some incredible breakthroughs over the next few years. It's awesome!

Thank you,
I think it is a great time for the RC Industry. I am having more fun now than I have had in years!!! I am busier than I have ever been between my full time job and my RC Business and loving every minute of it!!!

I can't wait to see what happens at my track this winter. I run Washtenaw RC Raceway in Ann Arbor, MI. Last season we averaged 210 entries a race with about 10 or 12 different designs of Brushless 1/8th scales. This year I excpect that to double or even triple.

It is very exciting to be on the starting edge of the next big thing in RC.

That's awesome and I couldn't agree with you more about this being the next big thing. I think it will actually reach a whole new segment of the population.

The main reason people like to see a ESC handle 6S, 12S and even 15S lipos is to have the option of either running higher AMP draws or less AMP draws. I have my share of ESC and I ran my BBP truck with 10S lipos and it ran great. The wires were warm, the motor was around 160 and the ESC was warm and so was the lipos. Now with the batteries in parallel, the wires were hotter then with the packs in series. Also, the reason to have a ESC handle higher cell counts is to keep the ESC safe from voltage spikes. I would feel better if the ESC could handle 12S, but I only ran 6S. Like my Schulze 40.160 on 5, 10 and 12S set up was just warm to the touch. I heard people running that thing up 60 volts and it does arm at 60 volts. Higher voltage less AMPs and from what I have seen less heat then with the lower voltage set ups.

mike, good to see you on rctech now to claim the "unknown battery box".

Any recent news on this R1MT or Rx8 or whatever they are calling it?

How about the R1Pro. We were talking about this contoller being a few weeks away back in April and it doesnt look like I will be getting one in my Xmas stocking this year:cry:

Any newer confirmation of the 5s capabilty in the R1Pro with the BEC disabled? Would it be able to handle 5s with BEC disabled and mechanical brakes to keep the V spikes down? Would it even work if I was willing to take my chances, or would it just do nothing like the new MM contolers on 5s that shut down from overvoltage?

I feel like its been forever since there has been any news or progress. I hope Tekin doesn't become the next CC. If one of the Tekin guys would chime in that would be great. Or anyone who knows something new.

The R1Pro comes with a 16v capacitor(solder on style). Replace this with appropriate capacitance (35v/1000uF perhaps) and the R1Pro is the same hardware as the 1/8 controller - just no heatsink case or switching BEC. So yes....it should take 5s and has more FETs than most other controllers (aside from MGM), so it has excellent power handling abilities. The boards have a lot of copper in them as well, and a little air over the motor/battery wire standoffs will act as a heatsink. The small footprint makes it quite easy to install as well(though a heatsink case and switching BEC will make the 1/8 controller larger). The R1Pro is gonna live in my 1/8 buggy and the truggy will be the test dummy for the 1/8 controller when it is ready. :)
I suspect the R1 and R1Pro should be on the shelves any day now, actually. Tekin is trying to keep their mouth shut until they can deliver the product at this poinit. It is pretty tough to nail down a release date....especially round the holidays. :)

:great:Awesome Mike. Just the info I was looking for. So there is still a possibility for getting a nice stocking stuffer?

5s on the R1Pro (with some minor setup mods) I might have to try that controller out as well. Would you be carrying the apropriate capacitor for the "upgrade"

I'm also glad to hear they are going to add a switching BEC to the MT version. Should be a really nice controller.

Do you know what the actual price of the R1Pro is yet?

horizon has them listed for $229. so I would expect the street price to right around there.

Yeah the r1pro is a very nice speedo, we have a tekin team driver at my track and he has been using the r1pro for well over 7 months, its a very nice speedo, in his touring car it never cogged with the highest KV motor they have for MOD racing, it stays nice and cool, its tiny.... I want one, I do know I can get them cheaper by my track, since they sell all that stuff cheaper then anyone:mdr::na::na:

Was the team driver a beta tester? Im guessing thats the case.

Yes, He was testing with all the motors, Tekin's motor(s) brushed motors, and other brand motors (BL)

But not in a conversion, just touring car

I'm gonna get the RX8 no matter what and put it in my SuperMaxx or maybe I'll get a truggy and put it in it.

Yeah, the R1pro is on my list for my CRT.5...... But I already have the MM....

I just talked to my track owner and he said that Jason Moberly (AKA MO the tekin driver) Has blown up 4 or 5 of them in testing them, so he said dont jump on the R1pro to fast, I never really talked to him lately, so thats news

I wonder how there doing now? He said hes going to call MO and ask him for me =)

So basically this is post 13, No info on the Tekin Monster as of yet and we are all still waiting in the dust to weigh the MMM VS. The TM.
if anyone has anything new popping on this. Can you share it with the class. thanks

I have been lurking on different forum to get more information on tekin R1, to make it simple all people that have something to win from R1 R1mt selling give a rather positive point of view (Rc monster mike include). But the very few "independant" customer that are on the forum were dissapointed by the result and the inabiliy to run decently "legal" motors. From a guy who said he is a reseller (rctech forum) the problem is NOT only limited to huge roll out, it touch pretty much all range of motor except the sensorless design (CC CM36 alike)

Fact trie to find a youtube/dailymotion, or whatever movie on internet that prove there is no cogging problem. I have found 0. The 2 available on youtube are old and were made be Tekin ...

Tekin guy are non stop saying there will be an update that correct the problem, great but, it take more than 1 year for CC to get the software fine and running ... it's just too bad for the future of sensorless technologie on race track. Tekin are now doing a range of sensored motor (feigao + tekin stickers ? :( ).
In the best case they might be able to use there experience in sensoreless stuff to make an hybrid ESC that work like speed passion GT

Sorry if you find harsh my post, just my feeling :|

So, you are saying that the r1 speedos are having problems running sensorless motors?

Al,

In rctech.com, there have been some people who are having a lot of trouble with them. Maybe Tekin didn't test the controllers on all the motors available before they released them.

Lutach make it short, and it's exactly that.

I see.

I'm planning to use the R1 Pro with a Kontronik Kira and a NEU 1115/1y motors in my 1/8 onroad car.

I don't know if I should just go with it or get a Mamba Max instead?