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ptt81 07.22.2009 04:11 AM

Brian, I have a quick question, what settings do I need to use for Losi 8ight Buggy transmittion, differential and ratio. thanks

Gee 07.22.2009 04:59 AM

for the front/rear diff : 4.3 = Typical ........ 43/10

and

transmission: 1 = direct drive/center diff 1:1 for the transmission

and

additional gear ratio: 1 = default

BrianG 08.03.2009 06:36 PM

A small update has been uploaded:

- Added more lipo charging adaptor options for packs with the typical balance connector layout.

- Added Xray XT8 differential ratio and stock spur gear.

- Added "1:1 rollout" rule to the Top Speed Estimator page. Implemented in the pinion table and at the bottom of the results section.

- Removed alert box messages and replaced with HTML code.

SnoopMaxx 08.04.2009 10:11 AM

I just saw the 1:1 roll out
Could you plz explain what it means :smile:

Thanks for an awesome site :yipi:

BrianG 08.04.2009 10:33 AM

Click the little help question mark.

Quote:

The 1:1 rollout rule simply is a method used by some to find the "ideal" gearing such that one revolution of the motor causes the tires to move one inch.

This rule does not suggest the gearing for maximum top speed, nor does it guarantee a cool running setup. It is simply a starting point. You should always still use ESC, motor, and battery temperatures as a guide.

BrianG 08.04.2009 01:35 PM

Ok, another update:

- Fixed differential manufacturer typo.

- In the Top Speed Estimator, removed the suggested "1:1 rollout" pinion in the results section. This was changed to show the current rollout ratio. The pinion tooth count to achieve a 1:1 rollout is still listed in the pinion table (click the gears icon in the results section). Added more verbiage to explain rollout and the "1:1 Rollout" rule (in the help function). Also changed the error message to be more appealing.

- Changed the color of the help window from drab gray to something that stands out a little more.

simplechamp 08.04.2009 07:10 PM

I know I'm partial to the rollout calc, but you did a great job, it's exactly what I had in mind.

I think everyone will see now that it's not a big change or whole new way of doing things.

Unsullied_Spy 08.05.2009 02:35 AM

1:1 for my Muggy is around 9T, ideal gearing so far seems to be 14T. No offense but I think that theory doesn't work so well. With a 9T pinion I'd be over-revving the motor and have no speed at all.

BrianG 08.06.2009 06:33 PM

Another update:

Added option for Traxxas EVX2 to the wiring page. I used the info from Neil's diagram (which he originally got from me :smile:). I made it so certain other options (BEC and LVC) were disabled when this ESC is chosen.

pinkpanda3310 08.06.2009 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 309840)
A small update has been uploaded:

- Added more lipo charging adaptor options for packs with the typical balance connector layout.

- Added Xray XT8 differential ratio and stock spur gear.

- Added "1:1 rollout" rule to the Top Speed Estimator page. Implemented in the pinion table and at the bottom of the results section.

- Removed alert box messages and replaced with HTML code.

What about the amp draw calc donated by B4maz? Here's my vote.:smile:http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...motor+amp+draw

BrianG 08.06.2009 10:24 PM

Sure. Like I said in that post; as long as he consents and provides the formulas, I'll be happy to add it.

I'll change the layout, user input error trapping, some code (mostly to use my own code library), and other small things to match the scheme of the rest of the site. But obviously B4maz will get full credit for the original idea. It all depends on him now.

simplechamp 08.06.2009 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 310285)
1:1 for my Muggy is around 9T, ideal gearing so far seems to be 14T. No offense but I think that theory doesn't work so well. With a 9T pinion I'd be over-revving the motor and have no speed at all.

There are exceptions, and 1:1 rollout isn't a hard and fast rule, but for the most part it works. It's meant to put you in the ballpark gearing ratio and then you fine tune from there based on what your electronics can handle, how you plan on driving, etc. There are so many factors to account for, 1:1 rollout is just to find a good starting point.

Aero 08.09.2009 12:15 PM

Suggestions
 
this rc calculator is SO cool, and am glad to se it improved and updated! I would like to help, or contribute, comment and suggest..I would like if you put in some 'FYI' fields, maybe not to be used in calculator, but to jsut write the info, if you know what i mean..would also be handy if one capture the screeen, and have some custom lines, that tell the model/setup comments.

"pole count" of motors would be nice to have data on..(missing pole count in motors below..dunno the count..)

a few things i'd love to see in your calculator:

could you add a drop down menu under motor resistance ? and also add some motors (see below). i know you say that 'mike dont have..' but i think its handicapping/encribbling your amazing calculator sticking with what mike has.
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More/better help/tip on 'current motor draw in amp'
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more clarification on '1:1 rollout'. why care for this, what to obtain, go for, etc..
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In 'Parameter solver' and other places, could you include KPH, or in general to some extend, metric values ? maybe inside the usual ()-clamps

and can you add these tranny gearings:

E-savage metal tranny low-geared: (32/20 x 24/26) = 1,476...

(presently im using additional gearing 0,85 to make above 'happen')

E-savage metal tranny low-geared: (32/20 x 26/24) = 1,733.. (thats same as stock)

E-savage spur gears: 60t, 68t, 70t, 72t(all 32p), 49t(mod1)
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Could you add these tires/diameters:

Hot Bodies/HPI type Baja/BJ tires 138x70mm:
Part#: HPI82002
Outer Diameter: 134.9mm (5.311")
Inner Diameter: 78mm (3.07")
Width: 63.5mm (2.5")

HPI Dirt Bonz Tires:
Part#: HPI4853
Diameter: 5.91" (150mm)
Width: 3.27" (83mm) / (93mm)

Traxxas Response Racing Soft Compound 3.8 Tires:
Part#: TRA5471
Width: 3.2" (82mm)
Diameter: inner diameter 2.8" (72mm), outer 5.3" (135mm)

Traxxas SportTraxx 3.8 Soft Compound Tires:
Part#: TRA5470
Outer Diameter: 5.75" (146mm)
Inner Diameter: 3.5" (90mm)
Width: 3.8" (96.5mm)
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Could you add these motors:

Great Planes Ammo 36-56-2600KV:
Part#: GPMG5320
Max efficiency: 89%
NO flanged front endbell
Front mount holes: 25mm apart
Motor Diameter: 1.42" (36mm)
Motor Length: 2.2" (56mm)
Shaft Diameter: .197" (5mm)
Shaft Length: .591" (15mm)
kV Rating: 2600 rpm/V
Weight: 10oz (283g)
Input Voltage: 11.1-14.8V
Max. Constant Current: 55A
Max. Surge Current: 90A
Max. Constant Watts: 815W
No Load Current: 3.9A

Great Planes Ammo 36-56-1800KV:
Part#: GPMG5315
Max efficiency: 89%
NO flanged front endbell
Front mount holes: 25mm apart
Motor Diameter: 1.42" (36mm)
Motor Length: 2.2" (56mm)
Shaft Diameter: .197" (5mm)
Shaft Length: .591" (15mm)
kV Rating: 1800 rpm/V
Weight: 10oz (283g)
Input Voltage: 14.8-22.2V
Max. Constant Current: 50A
Max. Surge Current: 90A
Max. Constant Watts: 1110W
No Load Current: 1.9A

Great Planes Ammo 36-56-1200KV:
Part#: GPMG5310
Max efficiency: 89%
NO flanged front endbell
Front mount holes: 25mm apart
Motor Diameter: 1.42" (36mm)
Motor Length: 2.2" (56mm)
Shaft Diameter: .197" (5mm)
Shaft Length: .591" (15mm)
kV Rating: 1200 rpm/V
Weight: 10oz (283g)
Input Voltage: 18.5-25.9V
Max. Constant Current: 40A
Max. Surge Current: 80A
Max. Constant Watts: 1036W
No Load Current: 1.2A

Great Planes Ammo 36-88-1280KV:
Part#: GPMG5325
Max efficiency: 89%
NO flanged front endbell
Front mount holes: 25mm apart.
Motor Diameter: 1.42" (36mm)
Motor Length: 3.46" (88mm)
Weight: 16.3oz (461g)
Stock No. GPMG5310
Shaft Diameter 5 mm
Shaft Length 15 mm
RPM / V (kV Rating) 1280
Bullet Connector 4 mm
Weight 16.3 oz. (461g)
Input Voltage 18.5-22.2 Volts
Maximum Constant Current 50 Amps
Maximum Constant Wattage 1010
Maximum Surge Current 80 Amps
Maximum Surge Watts 1776 Watts
No Load Current 2.8 Amps
Internal Resistance 12.4 mOhm

B36-74-09XL 1900KV:
NO flanged front endbell
Front mount holes: 25mm apart.
Dimensions: 36×74mm
Shaft diameter: 5mm
Weight: 370g
Kv: 1900rpm/V
Idle Current: 2.6A
Resistance: .0091
Max Amp: 75A
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On the lipo charger pages: Can you please Add Imax B5, B6, B6AC and B8 chargers, E-station BC8DP

Imax B5:
Operating voltage range: 10.0~18.0Volt
Circuit power: max.50W
Charge current range: 0.1~5.0A
Current drain for balancing Li-po: 200mAh/cell
NiCd/NiMh battery cell count: 1~14cell
Li-ion/Polymer cell count: 1~5series
Pb battery voltage: 6V, 12V
Weight: 280g
Dimensions: 130*80*23mm

Imax B6:
Able to charge for A123(LiFe) battery
Operating voltage range: DC10.0~18.0 Volt
AC100-240V, 50/60Hz
Circuit power: Max. Charge power 50W
Max. Discharge power5W
Charge current range: 0.1~5.0A
Discharge current range: 0.1-1.0A
Current drain for balancing Li-po: 300mAh/cell
NiCd/NiMH battery cell count: 1~15cell
Li-ion/Polymer cell count: 1-6 series
Pb battery voltage: 2V-20V
Weight: 580g
Dimensions: 140X130X45mm

Imax B6AC:
DC 11.0 ~ 18.0 Volt or
AC 100V ~ 240V 50/60Hz
Circuit power : AC to DC adaptor (DC 11.0 ~ 18.0V / 5A)
Max. charge power 50W
Max. discharge power 5W
Charge current range : 0.1~5.0A
Discharge current range : 0.1~1.0A
Current drain for balancing Li-Po : 300mAh/cell
NiCd / NiMH battery cell count : 1~15 cell
Li-Ion / Polymer cell count : 1~6 series
Pb battery voltage : 2V~20V
Weight : 531g (Net Weight)
Dimensions : 134 x 142 x 36 mm

Imax B8:
Operating voltage range: 10.0~18.0 Volt
Circuit power: Max. 150W
Charge current range: 0.1~7.0A
Discharge current range: 0.1~5.0A
Current drain for balancing Li-po: 300mAh / cell
NiCd / NiMH battery cell count: 1~27 cells
Lithium battery cell count: 1~8 Series
Pb battery voltage: 2 to 36V
Weight: 700 g
Dimensions: 160*120*40 mm

E-station BC8DP:
AC/DC Power: 11V to 18V Input
Charge Rate: 10 Amp Max
Charge Power: 180 Watts w/DC Power 120 Watts w/AC Power
Discharge Rate: 5 Amp Max per Channel
Max Lithium Cell: Up to 8S Lithium (Li-Po, Li-Ion, Li-Fe (A123)
Max Nickel Cell: Up to 22 cells NiCd/NiMH
Max SLA/Lead Acid: Up to 28V Pb SLA/Lead Acid
Discharge Power: 25 Watts on AC or DC
Balancer Bleed Rate: 200 mah per cell
Battery Capacity: up to 65,000 mAh
NiCd/NiMH Cycle Count: up to 10 Cycles
NiCd/NiMH Trickle Charge: up to 300 mah
Battery Memories: 10
Delta Peak Sensitivity: 5mV to 20mV
NiCd/NiMH Formation Charging: Timed
Weight: 1400 grams
Size: 170x170x75mm
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On system wiring page:

Can you add Mamba max and Mamba monster esc's ?
Can you add 3 fans option ?
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"Brushless parameter comparison": that seems neat and logic, but what is this used for, could this one be expanded in a way ?
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On "Lipo wiring" page, could you include 'align/electrifly/JST XH connectors ? that would make the pics look more correct. i fooled around with the pic and made something liek this. http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...lipo-right.jpg http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...lipo-wrong.jpg

hope its ok i edited the pic ;) . Now im at it, it would be nice/neat to select bullet connectors, if thats worth a thought..:whistle:

BTW, I believe its important/good rule, to connect main leads FIRST, and disconnect main leads LAST.. can someone nod to that ?

Finally, I have wish: If you could make at least 3-5 setup saving (/memory slots) buttons, like the 'Dark Horse RC calculator has' , see http://dhrc.rchomepage.com/RolloutCalc.htm . then one can keep a previous setup, enter new setups, and compare them easy, instead of having multiple windows with the calculator. Perhaps take the best from dark horse calculator. I see is has battery capacity, truck/car weight, wheel RPM..

Also, selecting lipo cell voltage, so which to pick, 4.2V not that accurate in practical terms ? How about some sorta 'recommendation on what to pick here (may have to do with the esc/motor ratings?)
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On the gearing pages: Would be nice and handy to have fx a converter/recommender, that switch a 32pitch spur/pinion pair, to the closest approx mod1 gears, well only thinking out loud. Maybe its already there.. or a pop up window that sugest the gear teeth to be used to accomplish same ratio/distance between gears..well u figure..
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keep it up BrianG, This is an ultimate and very useful calculator! You work is VERY appreciated!! :yipi: I hope you can use the suggestions <dont let me down lol>

Edit: ...this is my first post on this awesome forum. (But lets pretend its post#763..sounds better)

HELLO ALL.. :party:

BrianG 08.09.2009 07:24 PM

Criminy! That's one heck of a "to-do" list! :oh:

I'll try to answer all the points:

- Note fields would be handy for screencaptures I guess, but might confuse the user. Most would be asking "If that has to calculation purpose, why is it there?". Usually, people post the setup in a forum post and then add more details in the post.

- Motor pole count. Actually, I do have that information already in there. :wink: But since it's not used for any calculations, it's just visible on the "Data Tables" page just for informational purposes.

- Yeah, I can add more motors, but as you can see, the list is quite lengthy already. I try to stick to the more common motors out there and/or the ones that Mike sells. If others chime in saying those would be good additions, I'll add them.

- Motor current draw: What type of additional help is needed? There are SOOOO many variables that influence this that the only two usably values IMO are 0A and whatever you think the max would be. Everything else is pure speculation.

- The 1:1 rollout was something recently added by request. I'm not really sure what benefits it has other than as a starting point for gearing. So, that's what I put.

- Adding metric units should be fairly easy to do. I'll check into that.

- Adding tires, tranny, spurs, and chargers should also be easy to do. Check for them in the next update. :smile:

- System wiring page. Adding specific ESCs is kinda redundant. I would prefer maybe "classes" of ESCs; something like Opto-ESCs, ESCs with linear BECs, ESCs with switching BECs, etc. Something for me to think about.

- BL Parameter Comparison page. This was just a little project of mine trying to find an easy way to graphically show the relative impact of gearing, voltage, and motor kv. I specifically wanted to keep it simple for the newbies. Once they understand that higher kv is not always the best, then they can go into the other pages for detailed calculations.

- Lipo wiring page. I tried to include the 3 major lipo hookups; Trakpower for its unusual wiring arrangement, Hyperion for its odd wire sequence skipping, and everything else. "Everything else" has the wires in sequential order with no skipped spaces, so that covers pretty much anything out there. And, actually, you CAN wire it up like in your "wrong" picture, but you have to be SURE you have the plugs in the right order. My personal Y adaptor does have that common wire still hooked up, but I know what I'm doing. :smile:

And the type of connector is pretty much irrelevant IMO. I just chose Deans because that's what I have and it looked ok. :smile: Besides, people have different ways to use bullets (ie: two females on the pack, vs one male and one famale for "polarization").

- Electrically speaking, it makes no difference which order the wires are attached. The only time it matters is if your specific charger/balancer specifically says to connect things in a certain order.

- Memory slots. Yeah, that can be done, but really complicates things. Since I'm using a static site (no active server content), I'd have to rely on cookies. And I hate dealing with cookies. They don't work well when I'm developing on my computer, so I'd have to upload test code at my site each time to see if it works. I would really rather not go that route. But TBH, there was times where I wish I could have saved a setup because I had to go to another page briefly, but didn't think it was worth the bother to implement.

-Lipo voltage. Yeah, 4.2v/cell is not a practical voltage value in a setup, but I do have the 3.7v value highlighted to implicity tell the user to use that one.

- Gearing pages. Since there are a ton of different things a user could be looking for, I just provide the basic tools and let them figure whatever they want to figure out. For example, if they want to switch between Mod1 and 32P but keep the same shaft-to-shaft distance, they would use one page to get their current shaft to shaft distance, and then another page to figure out the gear diameters to match that for a different pitch.

Whew! I hope you don't think I'm trying to get out of doing more work. I don't mind adding features as long as 1) it would be useful for others, 2) doesn't complicate things uneccessarily, and 3) I feel like it. :smile:

Welcome to the forums BTW!

Byte 08.09.2009 07:44 PM

uhh... Brian... you probably gonna hate me after this, but anyways...

http://www.outcastrc.com/features/scales/scales.htm

Exactly! You've got more work to do! :diablo: The height is actually the diameter of the tyres. Good luck :lol:


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