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Sower 11.21.2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by terrabit (Post 130910)
Because faith without works is dead.

I don't see any real benefit in dabating with you. But, you clearly have missed my point. I never implied that it's "America's fault". America is a democracy. So, what I am really saying is be patriotic. According to a recent poll, 80% (a supermajority) of Americans across party lines agree that "Big Corporations" have too much power, that OUR government is not focused on the right priorities and that more needs to be done for children and the environment. This condition exists because we let it. Our system of government has been hijacked by big corporations which by definition are only concerned with profit. Look at what Wal-Mart has done to small town America and sweatshops in China and South America. The oil industry has posted record profits while you and I pay $3.50 a gallon for gas and the value of the dollar plumits at historic rates.

It is our responsibility to become the change we wish to see. So, get up, stand up! Keep making videos for Youtube that make people think. Vote! Vote with your money! Don't suport business that destroys life! Write a letter to your congressman. Be kind. Drive less/walk more. Plant a tree for God's sake! Love your children. Encourage them to do the same.

This isn't about blame. It's about taking responsibility.

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Thank you,

Peace!

Well, with all due respect I don't see why you would say there's no point debating with me. I'm perfectly open to discussing things and am willing to listen to anything people have to say. However I think it's perfectly logical to assume the "blame America" stance when the relationship of Haliburton and the war in Iraq starts flying around. I don't feel that's actually intellectually honest.

And as far as the statistical evidence - I would fall into those categories too, but only under certain circumstances which are never fully presented in poll data like that.

To sum up where I come from - for whatever it's worth . . . I'm a conservative that believes in what this country stands for in principle. Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. All within our borders, language, and culture. But at the same time, I totally respect opposing opinions. And I apologize if I'm taking you the wrong way here, but I am definitely going to defend the integrity of this country when I feel it's challenged. Which you may not actually be doing. Anyway, gotta go - Happy Thanksgiving to all. :mdr:

lutach 11.21.2007 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mod Man (Post 130919)
I do not want to hijack this thread. However, if you want some information on vaccine issues and other "Government Control" problems my wife and I have run into, I would be more than happy to share.

I am just aggrivated that we are told what we can and cannot do with our own children! Why is it that bad parents kill their children and nothing is done about it untill it is too late (even when there are known problems) but those of us who are raising our children properly get hassled?

My heart goes out to this little girl. She was given a vaccine that was supposed to be good for her and look what it did!

Sorry for rambling. I am just passionate about these issues.

Matt

You are not hijacking at all. I will appriciate all the help. Please share everything. I feel you man. I'm happy that you went against the vaccines. I didn't know anything at the time. If I knew, I would've done the same.

lutach 11.21.2007 08:17 PM

I forgot to mention one thing to all. Please put some thought into this. Our kids one day will be taking care of us. If we don't do something right away, there won't be much for them. They are our future. That is why I care about kids more then ever. Who knows, maybe one of our kids will become a great leader or one that saved the world with a new invention. Any input to this from all of you will be helpful as well.

DrKnow65 11.21.2007 08:34 PM

Wow, I looked at this thread earlier today and it felt a bit different, no blame, no politics (there was some stuff on vacines and autism) but the general tone was for this mans daughter and his happiness... People who are opressed will allways look to the good guys for help. They are desperate and if help dosn't come who is at fault but the good guys?


Luatch, I am so happy for you. So many people (especially well off Americans) claim to be happy, but so few KNOW JOY, you have a lovely little girl, she brings JOY to your home (autism or not) you are blessed, not with health, but with prosperity. Not with money but with something far more valuable.

I have prayed (not just thought) for you, your house, and your family.

For everyone who asks recieves, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread will give him a stone? Or if he asks him for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
Christ Jesus, my lord and savior.
Matthew 7:8-11 New King James Version

God bless you (in the most literal sense of the word) Take your little girl in your arms, thank God for who she is, thank Him for His gift to you. Then if you want, take her to a few believers and have them pray for her healing, then trust that God loves you (remeber the joy she brings to you).

Forgive the doctor, the man who created the vacine, the government that pushed it, and the business who profited from it. You can persue keeping this from happening to another family, out of love for those you do not know, but bitterness or hate will darken your door and seperate you from Him.

Talk to Him, be honest. Yell, cry, plead, ask why if you need to. He has feelings too, how does He feel when he sees you, when you are looking with love at your little girl? Listen intently and you will get an awnser.

Mod Man 11.21.2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DrKnow65 (Post 130927)
Wow, I looked at this thread earlier today and it felt a bit different, no blame, no politics (there was some stuff on vacines and autism) but the general tone was for this mans daughter and his happiness... People who are opressed will allways look to the good guys for help. They are desperate and if help dosn't come who is at fault but the good guys?


Luatch, I am so happy for you. So many people (especially well off Americans) claim to be happy, but so few KNOW JOY, you have a lovely little girl, she brings JOY to your home (autism or not) you are blessed, not with health, but with prosperity. Not with money but with something far more valuable.

I have prayed (not just thought) for you, your house, and your family.

For everyone who asks recieves, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread will give him a stone? Or if he asks him for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
Christ Jesus, my lord and savior.
Matthew 7:8-11 New King James Version

God bless you (in the most literal sense of the word) Take your little girl in your arms, thank God for who she is, thank Him for His gift to you. Then if you want, take her to a few believers and have them pray for her healing, then trust that God loves you (remeber the joy she brings to you).

Forgive the doctor, the man who created the vacine, the government that pushed it, and the business who profited from it. You can persue keeping this from happening to another family, out of love for those you do not know, but bitterness or hate will darken your door and seperate you from Him.

Talk to Him, be honest. Yell, cry, plead, ask why if you need to. He has feelings too, how does He feel when he sees you, when you are looking with love at your little girl? Listen intently and you will get an awnser.

Wow, another Christian. Cool! :intello:

Glad to see others express their faith and convictions.

Looks like many of us will be praying for this young girl.

Matt

terrabit 11.21.2007 09:08 PM

I really want to thank all of you for this dialogue. I appologize if I have offended anyone. That was never my goal. I truely am seeking a common ground where we can all stand.

Lutach, your love for your precious daughter has been the catalyst for a passionate exchange about some things that really do matter. That seems to be how it works. We get sane when tragedy happens. 911 was a profound illustration of this. Remember how people dropped everything to help in anyway they could. So sad and so inspiring. I have never felt the collective consciousness of love and compassion so powerfully. I have never felt such a longing to help and yet felt so helpless. And I have never been so proud to be an American.

The video of your daughter's beaming smile really pulled at my heartstrings - so much joy on her face. You must be a special man. I am somewhat of an activist. I know this is not the time or place but, I felt compelled to speak. Children are our future. I want to do what I can to leave this world a better place for them.

And thanks for all of your votes!

flyingn 11.21.2007 09:13 PM

I know your pain... Our Son is LD and it may be because of the same reason.. No one knows.. He is 13 and doing pretty good and is getting into rc racing at this time.. We are praying for you and your beautiful Daughter.. We have been down this long lonely road... too..

lutach 11.21.2007 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrKnow65 (Post 130927)
Wow, I looked at this thread earlier today and it felt a bit different, no blame, no politics (there was some stuff on vacines and autism) but the general tone was for this mans daughter and his happiness... People who are opressed will allways look to the good guys for help. They are desperate and if help dosn't come who is at fault but the good guys?


Luatch, I am so happy for you. So many people (especially well off Americans) claim to be happy, but so few KNOW JOY, you have a lovely little girl, she brings JOY to your home (autism or not) you are blessed, not with health, but with prosperity. Not with money but with something far more valuable.

I have prayed (not just thought) for you, your house, and your family.

For everyone who asks recieves, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread will give him a stone? Or if he asks him for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
Christ Jesus, my lord and savior.
Matthew 7:8-11 New King James Version

God bless you (in the most literal sense of the word) Take your little girl in your arms, thank God for who she is, thank Him for His gift to you. Then if you want, take her to a few believers and have them pray for her healing, then trust that God loves you (remeber the joy she brings to you).

Forgive the doctor, the man who created the vacine, the government that pushed it, and the business who profited from it. You can persue keeping this from happening to another family, out of love for those you do not know, but bitterness or hate will darken your door and seperate you from Him.

Talk to Him, be honest. Yell, cry, plead, ask why if you need to. He has feelings too, how does He feel when he sees you, when you are looking with love at your little girl? Listen intently and you will get an awnser.

All I want is answers. What really caused it since she had nothing wrong from day one (Happiest day of my life for sure. I was running like a mad guy in the hospital) to around 1 year or so. I just need the truth. Thank you for your support. She is my number #1 for sure.

lutach 11.21.2007 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrabit (Post 130930)
I really want to thank all of you for this dialogue. I appologize if I have offended anyone. That was never my goal. I truely am seeking a common ground where we can all stand.

Lutach, your love for your precious daughter has been the catalyst for a passionate exchange about some things that really do matter. That seems to be how it works. We get sane when tragedy happens. 911 was a profound illustration of this. Remember how people dropped everything to help in anyway they could. So sad and so inspiring. I have never felt the collective consciousness of love and compassion so powerfully. I have never felt such a longing to help and yet felt so helpless. And I have never been so proud to be an American.

The video of your daughter's beaming smile really pulled at my heartstrings - so much joy on her face. You must be a special man. I am somewhat of an activist. I know this is not the time or place but, I felt compelled to speak. Children are our future. I want to do what I can to leave this world a better place for them.

And thanks for all of your votes!

I'm trying to be the best sigle father I can possibly be. It is really hard. Thank you for posting your thoughts.

lutach 11.21.2007 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mod Man (Post 130928)
Wow, another Christian. Cool! :intello:

Glad to see others express their faith and convictions.

Looks like many of us will be praying for this young girl.

Matt

This is really nice form all of you.

lutach 11.21.2007 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by flyingn (Post 130931)
I know your pain... Our Son is LD and it may be because of the same reason.. No one knows.. He is 13 and doing pretty good and is getting into rc racing at this time.. We are praying for you and your beautiful Daughter.. We have been down this long lonely road... too..

It is a tough road for sure, specially for me being a single father. Our kids are very lucky to have us as a parent. My daughter makes my day everytime she gives me that beautiful smile. Hopefully we can get a straight answer of what causes Autism or any other Learning Disorder. Thank you for sharing with us.

Hickoryhead 11.21.2007 10:20 PM

Lutach--- My heart aches for you. As many here know I had my first born son 8 months ago. He is my life. I can’t think of a life without him. Every day gets better. I really don’t understand fully how you feel. Most of us don’t. Only those that have walked along side you or down the same path. The thing we all have to remember is that God placed us on that path for a reason. It might take years or even decades to figure out what Gods reason is but he has one. My wife and I needed doctor’s assistance to have my son. He came to us at a great cost. About 4 months into our pregnancy there were some complications. I took my wife to a small town emergency room. The doctor there made some stupid mistakes and misjudgment calls. I can’t thank the nursing staff enough for their judgment call and for standing up to that doctor. He almost took my son before he was born. The anger I felt toward him was so intense. He is the only person I have wanted to take off this earth. My anger was so bad I was blinded to what he was doing. In his defense he was doing what I was paying him to do. That was make a judgment call based on his expertise. I am still repenting to this day for how I felt. Anger as you know is not the solution. Keep your chin up. As you read though all this we are here for you when you need us. Unity is what’s needed. That’s also the answer to many of the world problems today. Not just in America but all around the world people think they have the right answer and to hell with what others think. Unity would change that. Every strong nation in this world’s history had one thing in common. They stood for a common goal as a whole. Everything they did worked toward that goal and they did it as one. Every nation to ever be destroyed was destroyed because of division. They all wanted something else. They go different ways. We on this forum have common goals. We are all here for each other. I can only speak for my self but I bet other feel the same as me. If there is ever anything I can do to help you don’t hesitate to ask. I have sent out a link to this thread to many of my relatives and friends. It’s not much but it’s a start. Keep your chin up. You’re in our prayers!!!:wink:

lutach 11.21.2007 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickoryhead (Post 130951)
Lutach--- My heart aches for you. As many here know I had my first born son 8 months ago. He is my life. I can’t think of a life without him. Every day gets better. I really don’t understand fully how you feel. Most of us don’t. Only those that have walked along side you or down the same path. The thing we all have to remember is that God placed us on that path for a reason. It might take years or even decades to figure out what Gods reason is but he has one. My wife and I needed doctor’s assistance to have my son. He came to us at a great cost. About 4 months into our pregnancy there were some complications. I took my wife to a small town emergency room. The doctor there made some stupid mistakes and misjudgment calls. I can’t thank the nursing staff enough for their judgment call and for standing up to that doctor. He almost took my son before he was born. The anger I felt toward him was so intense. He is the only person I have wanted to take off this earth. My anger was so bad I was blinded to what he was doing. In his defense he was doing what I was paying him to do. That was make a judgment call based on his expertise. I am still repenting to this day for how I felt. Anger as you know is not the solution. Keep your chin up. As you read though all this we are here for you when you need us. Unity is what’s needed. That’s also the answer to many of the world problems today. Not just in America but all around the world people think they have the right answer and to hell with what others think. Unity would change that. Every strong nation in this world’s history had one thing in common. They stood for a common goal as a whole. Everything they did worked toward that goal and they did it as one. Every nation to ever be destroyed was destroyed because of division. They all wanted something else. They go different ways. We on this forum have common goals. We are all here for each other. I can only speak for my self but I bet other feel the same as me. If there is ever anything I can do to help you don’t hesitate to ask. I have sent out a link to this thread to many of my relatives and friends. It’s not much but it’s a start. Keep your chin up. You’re in our prayers!!!:wink:

I feel you man. I wish you all my best with your family. It is a strong bond when a young one comes along. I know this for a fact. When my daughter was 2 her mother basically without my authorization went to PA with my daughter. Crazy things came into my head man, you can't imagine. At the airport right before they went through the metal detectors I cried like a baby. I actually made everyone around me cry. I myself can't watch a grown men cry. The 2 person who helped my daughter's mother heard me loud and clear when I told them to get the F out my way before I kill you. I'm a cool guy, but that was something I almost couldn't handle. I went to the parking garage sat in my car crying none stop for a couple of hours. When I was finally able to get home, I went into the bed room and came out 3 days later as a new man. Something clicked and I knew everything was going to be ok. A few months later my daughter and her mom came back to FL and we were ok. My daughter's mom though wanted to go her way so she dropped my daughter at my house and told me she couldn't take care of her anymore. Funny thing is my daughter was basically only sleeping at her mom's house and I drove about 100 miles a day to take my daughter to day care and to my house and back to her mom's house at night. I took my daughter and that's when her mom was basically seeing her one a month. The it was once every 2 months. I got full custody of my daughter after her mom told her grandma that I wasn't a good father. That again drove me a little crazy, but I contacted my lawyer and in only 2 months full custody. Now I'm in NJ where they have a great school program and I'm liking it a lot. I'm really glad I'm here with all of you though. I truly consider you all part of my family.

Mod Man 11.22.2007 10:35 AM

www.vaccineinfo.net

Lots of good information there.

Here in Illinois, we cannot opt out of vaccines for conviction related to medical risk. We have to opt out for religious reasons. Though we do have religious reasons to opt out, I honestly must say our issues with vaccinations are more related to practical problems more than religious.

Our oldest (daughter) has full vaccines. She has been somewhat sickly and undergrown (various minor medical issues related to typical vaccine side effects). Out middle child has had a few vaccines, but not all. He is healthier than our daughter. Our last child has no vaccines and is healthy as an ox.

Hmm, is that purely coincidental? I highly doubt it.

Matt

lutach 11.22.2007 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mod Man (Post 130996)
www.vaccineinfo.net

Lots of good information there.

Here in Illinois, we cannot opt out of vaccines for conviction related to medical risk. We have to opt out for religious reasons. Though we do have religious reasons to opt out, I honestly must say our issues with vaccinations are more related to practical problems more than religious.

Our oldest (daughter) has full vaccines. She has been somewhat sickly and undergrown (various minor medical issues related to typical vaccine side effects). Out middle child has had a few vaccines, but not all. He is healthier than our daughter. Our last child has no vaccines and is healthy as an ox.

Hmm, is that purely coincidental? I highly doubt it.

Matt


Very good info Matt. Wow, they want to recall 50 vaccines that uses Thimerosal as a preservative and the FDA has ignored it. I read something in FDA's website that they had banned Thimerosal, but I guess they didn't. Thank you for the info.


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