all android phones have the same plug. Plug location may differ, but that would not be an issue if they could design the radio with a 3 or 4inch pigtail to plug into the phone.

Could be the connector thing. The iDevice snaps into place with no "wires" to mess with. Adding a cable would just be a point of failure. But really, I think the reason it more to do with app consistency. How many Android devices are out there that won't run this or that app because of some incompatibility? Sure, most app devs release patches, but with the iDevice, there are MUCH fewer devices to worry about.

Either way, no matter if it was Android, BlackBerry, Windows, etc; the issue I have is the purposeful crippling of the system without the added device. It's not about added cost, it's not about requiring Apple specifically. And I've made my opinion clear about this system if the reasoning is to mitigate liability.

If its about liability then the purchaser could just sign a waiver at the time of purchase, or if bought online maybe a "i agree to the terms of use" checkbox in order to proceed to checkout. My beef is not the use of an apple product, but the fact it is advertised on the box to go 100mph, but in order to actually go that fast you need an ipod. Seems kind of exclusive to me. Sure I could go buy a used ipod touch for around 150 off of craigslist, but I just paid a grand for a toy car that wont perform as advertised and now im broke, and to top it off my wife is pissed off because she found out i spent a grand on said toy car. :lol:

I think even a waiver is not going to work. See my previous thoughts on this in case you missed it:

Chances are good that anyone buying this car, has a friend who has a iOS device. You only need to download the app and unlock the ESC once. After that you have full use of the car.

Someone asked if it could work with an iPad so here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e9VU...eature=related

The iPhone lock is a Traxxas 'feature' and not something Castle Creations has anything to do with. It would be more appropriate to voice your concerns on the Traxxas website. You will need to approach Traxxas on this, not Castle Creations.

Bernie

Bernie, I think we all know that CC has no say on this, and that it's a Traxxas "feature". So, please don't think these comments are against you guys. And some have voiced our concerns at the Traxxas website.

The point is, is that nobody should have to borrow/buy/use any device to use the car as advetised on the box.

Bryan, Thanks, we don't take it personally, I just find such a wast of time and server space. If you have a complaint, do it somewhere where it might do some good.

Bernie.

^No point complaining on the traxxas forum then- they'd just accuse you of traxxas bashing & ban you :lol:

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It's just marketing, they are plying on the markets inclination to jump on new technology, and in any market a feeling of exclusivity always plays.

Coming into this they know informed consumers like the ones on RCM will buck it but we are a small minority.

Puzzling to me why an "informed consumer" that wants a 100MPH car would not buy this just because they have borrow an iDevice from someone to make the copy on the box match their car. Sounds prissy, not "informed."

Anyone else worried about being robbed for a Iphone or Ipod shuffle while driving your Eleven hundred dollar rc car?I hear theirs a big market stolen Iphone :lol:

lol... where have you been for the past 15 years? Intel & AMD have been doing this since almost forever. For a very long time now all their CPUs are the same chip, with the lower spec ones being crippled versions of their more powerful counterparts.
At least Trx allows you to un-cripple the product without doing a hack job on it ;)

A lot of car manufactures are the same. They detune engines in the ecu for specific markets. eg Audi TTS, S3, VW Golf R, GTi etc etc..

EDIT: I guess I understand your POV, it's more about the advertising of the product. Other companies don't advertise the potential of their products and then go on to say that you need to pay extra to realise the full potential (some do but not many). In the case of CPU mfgs, they just advertise the non / lesser crippled units as something totally different and make you pay for it. So at the end of the day, it just a matter of marketing perception.

^That isn't the issue either; the issue is that you need an extra device from a 3rd party to unlock the esc's potential; unlocking a dual core CPU to Quadcore is not the same issue at all ( especially since you don't have to pay extra to unlock a CPU & get extra performance via overclocking- CPUs being sold with different features disabled or enabled is indeed nothing new & does indeed force users into making trade-offs in their purchases & boost's intel's profits ( Intel are terrible for this, much worse than AMD which is why we need AMD to succeed in order to keep Intel honest and fairly priced as such... )).

So.. before CC came out with the field programming card..how was this different.
We all had to buy a pc / notebook to be able to unlock the true potential of our CC esc

Nope, not at all. The link lets you make finer adjustments, but just about everything is settable via the transmitter. Even then, it's not like the output of the ESC doubled using a Castle Link...

I'm still wondering how many whiners actually have the money to buy one of these?

If you're whining about having to buy an Ipod touch, yeah, how can you afford an X01 anyway?

If I buy a $50k sports car do I say it's a conspiracy because it needs premium fuel?

I did get upset when my 5.4L V8 Ford only came with 8 spark plugs. I was expecting 16 as my 2.4L 4 banger uses 8 plugs. I complained openly to anybody about this. But alas, Ford is not going to budge.

It's still just a school boy marketing 101 mistake. If they said 70+mph out of the box, nothing more to pay, 100+mph with traxxas app from app store (fine print. iOS device req'd) No one would care.
They made a fundamental mistake mis-managing expectations.

btw... I wasn't aware it was possible to set dynamic timing via the Tx. IMO, that's a BIG feature.

A lot of de-tuned computer hardware is made from chips that don't pass QC for a higher-rated device. Take the GeForce 6800 Ultra/GT/GS for example. The best chips went into the Ultra and had the highest clock rates. The GT was a great card in its day, but the Ultra could still be overclocked farther before destabilizing. I had a GT flashed to Ultra firmware and overclocked past Ultra stock settings, but any true Ultra would go to higher clock speeds before destabilizing. The GS was basically a GT with 4 pixel rendering pipelines and a shader disabled, some could be succesfully unlocked and some had issues when unlocked. Those would normally have been thrown out but instead they locked out the defective parts and sold the parts at a discounted price. That kind of locking is OK because you're getting a good deal on something that would normally have been thrown out, and it still performed really well. Once my GT burned up I got a GS to replace it and it unlocked just fine, awesome. Burned the GS up and got another one on warranty, that one wouldn't unlock without artifacting but it was nowhere near the cost of the GT.

Most modern cars come tuned to deliver about ~70-80% of what they're capable of for a number of reasons. They can sacrifice power in favor of fuel economy, in some cases change the tax or insurance classifications for a car, keep idiots from blowing their engines and blaming the manufacturer, there's a ton of different things. It's not about making someone buy a tune or anything, it's about making it last longer, cost less, etc.

I agree with the marketing, if it's going to be 100+ capable then they should specify that. When I got my mini Revo it said on the box what it would do out of the box and what it would do if I changed the gearing and put a bigger battery in it. Then again, when I bought my 3.3 Nitro 4-Tec I just broke in the engine and hit the throttle. 0-60 in ~3.5 seconds according to TRX and with some porting of the engine and taller gears it'd do 80+ but the 4-Tec has never come limited...

I hope someone does.I wanna see some spectacular 100 mph plus youtube crash videos :lol:

Oh im sure there will be plenty of those! Actually isnt the car out already? Has anyone looked on youtube for vids yet?

not yet

I think the release got pushed back a bit. If you have one on order I really wouldn't be expecting one 'til early Spring. At least a lot of us wouldn't be able to use one until they show up.

Well lame. I wanna see 100mph crashes dangit!

Looks like the X0-1 is out after all. I'm not impressed...

http://traxxas.com/forums/showthread...-My-XO-1-Today

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Thats funny! Looks like it might be more durable than a t-maxx!

Wow, going through those boards reminded me of exactly WHY I left. A note in on of the threads.

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For a company that comes out with some good products, their boards are so anal. I'm surprised anyone goes there. I got banned once because I asked a asked a question somebodies hellfire. The ban was for 2 infractions, 1st because it was a non-traxxas product, the 2nd offense was because I used a curse word. Its not cursing if you are stating the name of a marketed product.

Oh well.

..I think most of us have been banned from Traxxas forums haven't we? We know too much!

Not yet. I did have some warning points for posting the word "crap" once, but after 3 years, they removed them. Personally, it's just a matter of following the rules they state and if that's not acceptable, then don't go there. Granted, some mods are a little more "trigger happy" than others, but that's a different issue...

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Never been banned there myself either.

Only infraction I got was some Mod who is no longer there. He was mad because I disagreed with him about something and went back through all of my posts to find something. He gave me infractions for a two year old post for putting "lmao" which he said was bypassing the language filter.

For the most part they rarely have any thing of value for me there. I post every now and then.

I agree, they have their rules, they are clear when you sign up. Follow them or go somewhere more fitting for you.

I may or may not buy the X01, however, I won't be the guinea pig and will wait for them to be out for a while before I make my decision. Plus, if they and the technology are successful, others will follow suit. I just don't see the iDevice only thing catching on.

I really don't think the "are you even going to buy one" argument holds water in a thread that is all opinion anyway. We all have a right to comment on it no matter what. There are many things I will never buy, however, that does not mean I cannot have and state my opinion on them.

Nic Case's World Record vehicle is amazing, but really had nothing to do with Traxxas. The video was certainly in conflict with the Rules written by corporate. FWIW, thankfully neither "crap" (I guess that was a while ago, BrianG) nor "hellfire" are filtered any longer. It must've been really hard to get banned because of only two infractions. Were you an :angel:?
Anyway, surely you have Rules here too? (Rhetorical question.) They are simply different there. We have a few thousand different types of butter here in the USA. Surely there is room for a couple/few different styles of forum moderation. You guys are in large part self-policing. Can you see that working for the Traxxas forums?

I get that an AWFUL LOT of you may be what you consider "past buying a Traxxas," but consider that whole new market may be opening up due to this car. New people, new members here, new RC products in general, new RC companies opening up. Even if all the above are "strengthened" instead of "new," isn't that a good thing for all concerned?

I am a Traxxas forum member also, been a part of it for years and have standing warning points (or whatever they are called) for a similar infraction. I show up from time to time but definitely don't participate the way I do on other sites.

While Traxxas owns the forum and can control the community however they like and there current growth curve indicates they are doing some things right they could do more to not erode some of their base as many very knowledge users that benefit the community and in turn Traxxas will not take part in the boards.

I completely agree that the community on the Traxxas forum can't self police in any sense of the word but that does nothing to justify how the mods (including you) handle situations since it's the policies being enforced that are being questioned more so then the need to moderate.

The company has no motivation to address the concerns and won't unless money motivates them at some point in the future, it's a different point of view and while I can respect Traxxas success I and many others do not agree with how the company conducts it's community relations.

There is a reason many of us don't visit or post on the traxxas forums. Let the special kids play in their own sandbox. I prefer the world. The gripe is not against Traxxas' products, but against its hard nose by the stone tablet rule mentality. Its simply not possible to have a discussion there at all for or against a competing traxxas product, even if all of the participating members are respectful and its a true debate the discussion will still get canned and members will receive infractions.

I simply choose to stay out of that sandbox and let them play in their own world.

The sandbox has far too many turds in it, and far too many 'adults' interfering with the kids as they try to play. Last time I got ejected it was for helping someone with a link to a picture of a non-traxxas skid plate ( embedded a link to the product page in the thumbnail rather than the full-size image on said page ). I don't understand why traxxas head-honchos are so paranoid about people wanting to improve their models with aftermarket parts ( that traxxas don't even sell = no competition for $$ ). Maybe if traxxas spent more time addressing their own short comings rather than silencing anyone brave/foolish enough to identify them, then they would have much more respect from the r/c community as a whole.

Thats really odd considering the level of aftermarket support there is for Traxxas has. If you want something better than what Traxxas makes, there's someone who makes it. Look at the Maxx series RCs, its a "traxxas" but not. As a MFG I'd be HAPPY if people were out there making upgrades like that for my products. Look at Ford, the aftermarket support for the Mustang is what keeps these cars alive years after they leave the factory.