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skellyo 03.06.2009 08:26 PM

Here's something else to think about with the E-Revo and E-Maxx...
Unless Mike comes up with some trick design for them using more than just a diff, gearing is going to be a pain in the butt if the stock diffs are used. Even if his slipperential comes with something like a 51T spur, using a 10T pinion on 4S stills gears the truck for ~40mph. So if someone wanted to gear for about 45-50mph on 6S, it's just not possible with the stock diffs. Just some food for thought.

What's_nitro? 03.06.2009 08:28 PM

They could use a slower motor..... :neutral:

skellyo 03.06.2009 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by What's_nitro? (Post 267589)
They could use a slower motor..... :neutral:

That's true. But I do believe most folks looking for this kind of drop-in E-Revo solution are already running a 2200kv MMM combo.

JERRY2KONE 03.06.2009 09:04 PM

Always right.
 
One of life's little lessons is knowing that trying to be right all the time is a wasted battle. Driving your point home is not going to help anyone, if they want to try or do something that you do not agree with they are going to do it wheather you like it or not. The statement was made that this is going to end up as a universal unit. Why would you want to argue about wheather or not it will work or not work for someone elses vehicle on his forum. This forum sells parts to make a living. Why don't we let Mike wade through those questions as to wheather his Patent pending item will work for someone or not????

Arct1k 03.06.2009 09:11 PM

Well i chatted to him today and as mike has a grevo - its coming...

skellyo 03.06.2009 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE (Post 267600)
One of life's little lessons is knowing that trying to be right all the time is a wasted battle. Driving your point home is not going to help anyone, if they want to try or do something that you do not agree with they are going to do it wheather you like it or not. The statement was made that this is going to end up as a universal unit. Why would you want to argue about wheather or not it will work or not work for someone elses vehicle on his forum. This forum sells parts to make a living. Why don't we let Mike wade through those questions as to wheather his Patent pending item will work for someone or not????

I don't disagree with any of the points being made on here. If Mike makes special mounts for each of these vehicles, that's great for anyone using one of them. However, a slipperential by itself is not a direct replacement for a tranny on an E-Maxx or E-Revo. My impressions were that some folks believe it would bolt right up to their E-Maxx or E-Revo without needing a vehicle specific mount and that's just simply not the case.

The post I made about gearing with a 2200kv motor is something for anyone to take into consideration when thinking about going with a center diff in a vehicle that originally had a tranny to aid in gear reduction. I have a center diff E-Maxx with a RCM mount and have that problem myself with gearing and I have 13:43 diffs. The stock diffs on an E-Revo or E-Maxx will only exacerbate the issue of having to go to very small pinions when trying to gear down.

JERRY2KONE 03.06.2009 09:33 PM

Yes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skellyo (Post 267614)
I don't disagree with any of the points being made on here. If Mike makes special mounts for each of these vehicles, that's great for anyone using one of them. However, a slipperential by itself is not a direct replacement for a tranny on an E-Maxx or E-Revo. My impressions were that some folks believe it would bolt right up to their E-Maxx or E-Revo without needing a vehicle specific mount and that's just simply not the case.

The post I made about gearing with a 2200kv motor is something for anyone to take into consideration when thinking about going with a center diff in a vehicle that originally had a tranny to aid in gear reduction. I have a center diff E-Maxx with a RCM mount and have that problem myself with gearing and I have 13:43 diffs. The stock diffs on an E-Revo or E-Maxx will only exacerbate the issue of having to go to very small pinions when trying to gear down.

Yes and everyone knows that once you upgrade your system to improve the power output that the stock diffs just will not hold up no matter what the upgrade is. This is not new info for anyone on RCM.

E-Maxx Sweden 03.06.2009 09:47 PM

Thats why we use UE diff or Hardened Differential and Pinion - From Hot Bodies Lightning PRO diff :-)

alangsam 03.06.2009 09:50 PM

Look at this from a business perspective
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skellyo (Post 267478)
I have no doubt that people will pay for it. However, I think it won't sell as well to folks with stock chassis E-Maxx's and E-Revos as it will to folks with buggies and truggies. With Mike being as busy as he is, he's likely going to concentrate on what will sell best for him (what has the most demand). I doubt that's going to be folks wanting slipperentials for their stock plastic chassis on an E-Maxx or E-Revo.

You do mention that you have an aluminum chassis...FLM or GMaxx? I'd bet that Mike will have something available for the FLM or GMaxx chassis well before anything to bolt onto the stock plastic chassis.

If Mike is in business to sell as much of the slipperentials as he can then there are a LOT more E-maxx's and E-revos out there than FLM chassis or GMAxx;s. Maybe a 1000 to 1 ratio? Mikes a smart guy and will figure it out.

Bigdumredneck 03.08.2009 03:31 PM

Any chance of a "sneek peek" since its almost ready to be released?:intello:

E-Maxx Sweden 03.08.2009 04:29 PM

yea, please Mike:-)

RC-Monster Mike 03.10.2009 12:11 PM

pics
 
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Here it is. :)

feistyacorn 03.10.2009 12:15 PM

:surprised: Nice! I better get saving! I need one for my g3r.

alangsam 03.10.2009 12:41 PM

Cant wait!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 268627)
Here it is. :)

Looks like a great piece of engineering! cant wait to see it on the sight for purchase and to know what adapters will be available. Theres a load of us hoping for 3905 and E-revo adapters.

E-Maxx Sweden 03.10.2009 01:19 PM

I just love what I see:yipi::party:

MetalMan 03.10.2009 01:28 PM

Simply awesome :yes:. I know what my next semi-large purchase will be!

marzac2 03.10.2009 01:34 PM

Is that a metal gear?

Do these come with the plastic gear we saw in earlier pictures or the metal one I see in the picture? I prefer the metal.

What tooth gear is it and do you have other gears with different amount of teeth coming too?

The outdrives in the picture don't have flat spots for brake discs to seat on. Are we supposed to use the original outdrives from our particular kits for construction?

Super Cool!

jhautz 03.10.2009 01:35 PM

Sweet Mike!!! I see one of those going into my RC8T immediately! Any release dates yet?

Also, what is the possibility of getting outdrives with the flats to accommodate brake disks for those of us that still like to use the ancient technology of mechanical brakes?:whistle:

skellyo 03.10.2009 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marzac2 (Post 268658)
What tooth gear is it and do you have other gears with different amount of teeth coming too?

If I counted correctly, that's a 46T in the pic.

jhautz 03.10.2009 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by marzac2 (Post 268658)
Is that a metal gear?

Do these come with the plastic gear we saw in earlier pictures or the metal one I see in the picture? I prefer the metal.

What tooth gear is it and do you have other gears with different amount of teeth coming too?

The outdrives in the picture don't have flat spots for brake discs to seat on. Are we supposed to use the original outdrives from our particular kits for construction?

Super Cool!

Dang... you beat me to the flat spot question.

Yes metal gear on this and they come with 46T from what Mike told me. There will be a 50T optional gear available as well.

marzac2 03.10.2009 02:54 PM

Thanks guys.

I am also wondering about the spyder gears. Since I don't see any, I assume we are supposed to use the parts from our original diff unit. Does this still function as a normal diff, with diff fluids?

Looks great!

jhautz 03.10.2009 03:11 PM

My understanding is that it is a complete unit. Gears, outdrives and all. Nothing to add of your own except the diff fluid of your choice.

plettenbergs 03.10.2009 06:23 PM

when will it be out?

JERRY2KONE 03.10.2009 10:13 PM

Thanks.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 268627)
Here it is. :)

Thanks for the info/update MM. We are all looking forward to the pricing and release of your newest project. Any luck with producing the E-Maxx center diff mount as discussed in December??

Arct1k 03.10.2009 10:34 PM

just waiting on some gears I believe...

wallot 03.11.2009 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 268627)
Here it is. :)


and where is picture of G3 mount? :party:

feistyacorn 03.11.2009 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallot (Post 268906)
and where is picture of G3 mount? :party:

+1 I am interested to see how it mounts.

rhylsadar 03.11.2009 10:32 AM

when? how much?

Dafni 03.11.2009 10:48 AM

Soon! Very soon!

130 bucks, most likely.

Traxxas Addict 03.11.2009 12:37 PM

Is there any way to be put on a waiting list? Seriously, sign me up!

crazyjr 03.11.2009 06:50 PM

So its only a diff now and not the tranny? I got to pass on it. I want to race my truck in RC Pro, but they require a transmission of some sort (Multiple gears but single speed is allowed) I got a truggy that will give me the center diff only fix. I guess i need to figure out how to adapt a E-revo trans or go to an E-revo chassis, I want a center diff but require the tranny as well

dadnjesse 03.12.2009 06:02 PM

slipperential
 
How about a preorder!

azjc 03.12.2009 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyjr (Post 269034)
So its only a diff now and not the tranny? I got to pass on it. I want to race my truck in RC Pro, but they require a transmission of some sort (Multiple gears but single speed is allowed) I got a truggy that will give me the center diff only fix. I guess i need to figure out how to adapt a E-revo trans or go to an E-revo chassis, I want a center diff but require the tranny as well

if its anything like the slipperential I have it replaces the tranny

crazyjr 03.12.2009 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azjc (Post 269365)
if its anything like the slipperential I have it replaces the tranny

The thing is, if you race it at more than local level, you might need a real transmission (multiple gears) . I got an Email with Carlton Epps, about the transmission rules being omitted (or missed) from the extreme MT rules. If center diff is ok, good I'll be looking at one. If not , sorry I want to race mine

JERRY2KONE 03.12.2009 09:25 PM

Opinion.
 
I would think that this RCM "Slipperential" will be like most other NEW items to come onto the market. Once it has been tested and it is in use for a short period, and if it pans out to be an inovative invention that definitely improves the handling and performance of our vehicles that the rules will eventually change and adapt to allowing something like this into racing at some level. This is no different to me than introducing brushless electric systems into the scene. Something that is by all means competitive can not be kept out forever. Evolution will always overcome and continue forward inproving all aspects of our lives wheather the current figure heads like it or not. The only real unknown here is how long will it take???

E-Maxx Sweden 03.12.2009 10:27 PM

Okey, so what I'll need and many with me is as follow:

1. A Stronger Slipper Clutch that can handle the new 2200KV with 6S LiPo, this is a bigg problem right now.

2. A Stronger drive shaft that can handle the new 2200KV with 6S LiPo, this is a bigg problem right now.

3. A Strong and effective center diff that benefits the power and handle the new 2200KV with 6S LiPo (Mike's on it right now).

Just my two cents

jacobsjo87 03.18.2009 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 267100)
Good idea, Jerry. I will have to consider creating a "what's new from the monster's Lair" sticky thread.
As far as the slipperential - it should be available in about a week. :)

Any updates?

RC-Monster Mike 03.18.2009 02:23 PM

The "missing" pieces are in the mail, so this product wiill be officially available "any day". :)

Traxxas Addict 03.18.2009 02:27 PM

I call first dibbs!

Unsullied_Spy 03.18.2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 271055)
The "missing" pieces are in the mail, so this product wiill be officially available "any day". :)

Good news! I don't have a G-Maxx but I've been watching the progress on the slipperential for a long time, good to see it finally hitting the shelves.


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