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suicideneil 05.22.2008 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister-T (Post 175245)
Btw are there contraller made by them or is it oem stuff ?

Tekin make their own stuff, highest quality, hence the higher prices compared to other brands.

Happywing 06.04.2008 07:23 AM

I will gladly pay whatever they ask if it ends up being the "bulletproof" controller that I've been waiting for. I thought "that" controller was here, but "that" controller is being fixed/replaced. The wait continues. Bring it on Tekin!

DRIFT_BUGGY 06.04.2008 04:54 PM

Still no ETA yet :eyes:

lxmuff 06.10.2008 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Happywing (Post 179172)
I will gladly pay whatever they ask if it ends up being the "bulletproof" controller that I've been waiting for. I thought "that" controller was here, but "that" controller is being fixed/replaced. The wait continues. Bring it on Tekin!


DITTO

teamtekin 06.17.2008 12:48 AM

Now called the Rx8 and maybe we will start a new thread with some new information as we get closer. We had to get the RS out the door first and now we are focused on the 1/8 application. We are hoping to finalize the design soon and will provide estimates for release. We are watching what is going on currently with keen eyes. We typically abuse our team drivers first and make sure it is ready for mass market prior to release.

gixxer 06.17.2008 01:42 AM

wow, its been over a year since I started this thread. Anyways thanks for the update. I look forward to checking out your RX8 when it comes out.

DRIFT_BUGGY 06.17.2008 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 182809)
Now called the Rx8 and maybe we will start a new thread with some new information as we get closer. We had to get the RS out the door first and now we are focused on the 1/8 application. We are hoping to finalize the design soon and will provide estimates for release. We are watching what is going on currently with keen eyes. We typically abuse our team drivers first and make sure it is ready for mass market prior to release.

Thanks for the update, but nice to finally see this :party:

Electric Dave 06.17.2008 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 182809)
Now called the Rx8 and maybe we will start a new thread with some new information as we get closer. We had to get the RS out the door first and now we are focused on the 1/8 application. We are hoping to finalize the design soon and will provide estimates for release. We are watching what is going on currently with keen eyes. We typically abuse our team drivers first and make sure it is ready for mass market prior to release.

Please consider running an NDA Beta...not sure how many of your Team Drivers race 1/8th Electric every week but we have plenty of guys here who do...

DJ1978 06.17.2008 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 182809)
Now called the Rx8 and maybe we will start a new thread with some new information as we get closer. We had to get the RS out the door first and now we are focused on the 1/8 application. We are hoping to finalize the design soon and will provide estimates for release. We are watching what is going on currently with keen eyes. We typically abuse our team drivers first and make sure it is ready for mass market prior to release.

Hurray!!!!
There are plenty of Beta testers here in Michigan more than willing to help!!!

Edumakated 06.17.2008 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 182809)
Now called the Rx8 and maybe we will start a new thread with some new information as we get closer. We had to get the RS out the door first and now we are focused on the 1/8 application. We are hoping to finalize the design soon and will provide estimates for release. We are watching what is going on currently with keen eyes. We typically abuse our team drivers first and make sure it is ready for mass market prior to release.

You guys need to let hack newbie drivers like me test it out in our over powered buggies. If it can survive my track driving skills, the design will be ok. :lol:

There are two types of folks who want this product:

Bashers: Folks driving and jumping their monster trucks up and down the street and on fields at retarded high speeds.

Racers: Folks who want an ESC that can handle racing loads as well as the inherent tumbles and crashes.

Just because the ESC holds up under bashing loads, does not mean it will hold up under racing conditions, particularly when the racer is a bad driver and has a poorly setup car that may be over geared and overpowered.

please make sure you take both of these groups into account with your design!!

lutach 06.17.2008 09:37 AM

What I would like to see is someone other then the team drivers do some tests. As you can see in rctech's Speed Passion ESC thread, their team drivers are somewhat brain washed and do what ever it takes to protect a company and even lei with them (Might not be the case with Tekin). Many of the guys who will buy your product will not be only racing, but bashing and some have motors that we don't hear or see the manufacturer use their ESC with these motors. A 6S capable ESC will be good, specially for some long mains and for the basher who wants 30-45 minutes of run time. Now a 12S controller would be nice for me :lol:. I could use 45 minutes with cheaper lipos or even 45 minutes with a good set of 30C 2500mAh 12S lipos. The Europeans can deliver such a ESC, but they abuse us on the cost (Which makes no sense as the HV MOSFETs for me and for a manufacturer doesn't cost much more then a 30V MOSFET) and the service is a pain as we have to send it back to Europe for repair or up dates to software if needed. We need a US based company who can deliver a 12S controller as the future of big 1/8 scale vehicles will take full advantage of such a controller.

suicideneil 06.17.2008 11:52 AM

I would like to know more about about the motor(s) Tekin have planned for the 1/8 scale vehicles- some basic specs would be very welcome :yes:

Geogenesis13 06.18.2008 11:33 AM

i agree with neil on that and finally i see you here really though tekin can you at least give us some basic specs about the rx8 i really have a feeling that this thing will be great

Mister-T 06.18.2008 04:01 PM

I thought it was already said , Same spec as R1 pro but with heatsink + fan + switch BEC

Now I need to find a link about where I read that.

DRIFT_BUGGY 06.18.2008 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister-T (Post 183405)
I thought it was already said , Same spec as R1 pro but with heatsink + fan + switch BEC

Now I need to find a link about where I read that.

I thought that they also said it would be able to take more than 3S

Mister-T 06.18.2008 06:07 PM

It already does up to 6S.
you need to remove internal BEC, use an external one. And put a 2200 uF / 25 Volts / Low ESR capacitor

pb4ugo 06.18.2008 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister-T (Post 183461)
It already does up to 6S.
you need to remove internal BEC, use an external one. And put a 2200 uF / 25 Volts / Low ESR capacitor

Do you have experience with 6s on it? I just ordered one last week, the highest I've heard of is 5s. It would be great if I could run 6s also.

DJ1978 06.19.2008 07:49 AM

Don't know about the specs.... but based on my conversations with the PREZ of Tekin, I know he is determined not to have a disasterous debut like the Monster Max. They are testing in a lot of different vehicles, Pushing them to extreme limits to assure they perform the way we expect them to. They have made it very well known they are testing in race and bashing conditions in the vehicles we want to use them in to assure the durability necessary to support this great new class of vehicles.

Mister-T 06.19.2008 03:47 PM

Castle did test the Monster max too... But they can't prevent a batch of microchip going bad after XX minutes. They manufacture the ESC but they are not inside :P

Sower 06.19.2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister-T (Post 183717)
Castle did test the Monster max too... But they can't prevent a batch of microchip going bad after XX minutes. They manufacture the ESC but they are not inside :P

Good point - the situation with the MMM had nothing to do with a lack of in house testing. It was strictly a batch of bad parts from a supplier and not on every unit. Tough deal for CC but it happens to the best of them and could happen to Tekin too really. I hope it won't, but it sure could.

DRIFT_BUGGY 06.19.2008 05:21 PM

Im surprised noone has gotten a photo of this ESC since of all the testing that has been done

lutach 06.19.2008 05:29 PM

I thought you guys would have my back on this :lol:. I just want to take it for a test drive :tongue:.

Happywing 06.20.2008 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sower (Post 183719)
Good point - the situation with the MMM had nothing to do with a lack of in house testing. It was strictly a batch of bad parts from a supplier and not on every unit. Tough deal for CC but it happens to the best of them and could happen to Tekin too really. I hope it won't, but it sure could.

The key words here is "house testing." CC claims they did plenty of house testing. Tekin is testing on the track...big difference. A debacle of CC/MMM proportions will not happen with the new Tekin controller. Their testing has been much more thorough. They also got a scare from the abysmal failure of the MMM.

Sower 06.20.2008 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Happywing (Post 183881)
The key words here is "house testing." CC claims they did plenty of house testing. Tekin is testing on the track...big difference. A debacle of CC/MMM proportions will not happen with the new Tekin controller. Their testing has been much more thorough. They also got a scare from the abysmal failure of the MMM.

That's all well and good, but what happened at CC could happen to Tekin and has nothing to do with testing. The fact is that a certain number of controllers got a bad part. The rest didn't. Would you expect them to test all the controllers after production for 2+ hours of race conditions to make sure they're ok? The MMM I have has gone through several hours of racing and performed flawlessly.

Bottom line is that manufacturers rely on the parts of their suppliers. That has nothing to do with previous testing.

DJ1978 06.20.2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister-T (Post 183717)
Castle did test the Monster max too... But they can't prevent a batch of microchip going bad after XX minutes. They manufacture the ESC but they are not inside :P

I am sorry...but the failures that racers are seeing show that not enough testing was done within the parameters that the ESC was going to see in the real world.
I don't know of one fan that has not failed or broken
upon impact from the jumps with the 1/8th scale buggies and truggies, the case compresses and damages wires from the fan and shorts the whole ESC out. There is not enough clearance between the bottom of the case and the plug of the fan. It has been breaking off. The fan blades catch on the housing of the fan and break off. Not to mention the electronic failures that have frustrated owners to the point that I have had some tell me they don't even want to open theirs and put it in their vehicle.
Some, like happywing did not even get to put his vehicle on the track. It toasted when he was setting it up in his basement.
I would be curious to know the actual failure numbers of the intial release.

lutach 06.20.2008 11:38 AM

The real reason for having other people test the controller is basically motors choices. Not everyone runs a Neu 1512 or 1515. Some run Mega, Plettenberg, Lehner, Hacker, Feigaos Type L/XL and larger 1521/1527 Neus. A company can say their controller can handle any motor, but how can they back that up. Are they just going by the AMP rating on the controller? Racers only race for a few minutes, while some one who is in the hobby just to have fun will probably bash with some friends for hours. Having team drivers test stuff out is good, but it would be good to have somebody that owns various motors do some test as well.

Sower 06.20.2008 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ1978 (Post 183915)
I am sorry...but the failures that racers are seeing show that not enough testing was done within the parameters that the ESC was going to see in the real world.
I don't know of one fan that has not failed or broken
upon impact from the jumps with the 1/8th scale buggies and truggies, the case compresses and damages wires from the fan and shorts the whole ESC out. There is not enough clearance between the bottom of the case and the plug of the fan. It has been breaking off. The fan blades catch on the housing of the fan and break off. Not to mention the electronic failures that have frustrated owners to the point that I have had some tell me they don't even want to open theirs and put it in their vehicle.
Some, like happywing did not even get to put his vehicle on the track. It toasted when he was setting it up in his basement.
I would be curious to know the actual failure numbers of the intial release.


Well the first thing I would like to mention is that my MMM works perfectly and has for several hours. This last weekend I ran three 5 minute qualifiers and then the 15 minute main with no problems at all. Fan works, temps under 120, blah, blah, blah. It was incredible! Remember, when things work great you don't hear about them as much as when there's a problem.

The other thing I would say is to be careful about pointing fingers at CC unless you have first hand knowledge of what they do or don't do in their testing. Your judgement can be damaging to their reputation and should be given careful scrutiny. CC has proven they are a great company and puts out great products with great service.

Sower 06.20.2008 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 183925)
The real reason for having other people test the controller is basically motors choices. Not everyone runs a Neu 1512 or 1515. Some run Mega, Plettenberg, Lehner, Hacker, Feigaos Type L/XL and larger 1521/1527 Neus. A company can say their controller can handle any motor, but how can they back that up. Are they just going by the AMP rating on the controller? Racers only race for a few minutes, while some one who is in the hobby just to have fun will probably bash with some friends for hours. Having team drivers test stuff out is good, but it would be good to have somebody that owns various motors do some test as well.

Good point - do we know for sure they didn't test on those other motors?

lutach 06.20.2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sower (Post 183936)
Good point - do we know for sure they didn't test on those other motors?

They do say things like that in rctech :lol:. All I here them saying is how great it is with a 1512 or a 1515, but mostly 1512 motors.

DJ1978 06.20.2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sower (Post 183935)
Well the first thing I would like to mention is that my MMM works perfectly and has for several hours. This last weekend I ran three 5 minute qualifiers and then the 15 minute main with no problems at all. Fan works, temps under 120, blah, blah, blah. It was incredible! Remember, when things work great you don't hear about them as much as when there's a problem.

The other thing I would say is to be careful about pointing fingers at CC unless you have first hand knowledge of what they do or don't do in their testing. Your judgement can be damaging to their reputation and should be given careful scrutiny. CC has proven they are a great company and puts out great products with great service.

You are right. I know CC is a great company with excellent 1/10th and mini products and they have
excellent customer service.
If you have one that is running.. that is great.. LXMUFF has one that is running too.. but he as worked to protect all the areas that have failed on others.
I don't have first hand knowledge of their testing system... but let's be honest... if you were looking for a Monster ESC.. based on the posts you read and experience of friends and post of CC reps themselves... would you choose one right now?

I don't want to get in spitting match. In my opinion, the initial launch of parts had a lot of flaws.

I am sure they are working hard to fix them as fast as they can.

I am looking forward to seeing the next generation..

I am also looking forward to the TEKIN ESC so we have more excellent choices

Sower 06.20.2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ1978 (Post 183944)
I don't have first hand knowledge of their testing system... but let's be honest... if you were looking for a Monster ESC.. based on the posts you read and experience of friends and post of CC reps themselves... would you choose one right now?

I don't want to get in spitting match. In my opinion, the initial launch of parts had a lot of flaws.

I am sure they are working hard to fix them as fast as they can.

I am looking forward to seeing the next generation..

I am also looking forward to the TEKIN ESC so we have more excellent choices


Fair question, and I would probably still go with the MMM. I've had the MGM and it's great but I like the programmability of the MMM as well as the "feel" of it while driving. I believe the MGM was much more efficient though since it was brushless only. Liked it's mounting and packaging better too. I see your point though and I think it's valid. There's not a lot to choose from right now.

I am looking forward to Tekin's release too and have seen them testing it here at our track with nice results on 4s. I think they will have a great product. I also feel that when CC gets the right parts installed their ESC will be great for 80% of the people wanting to get into brushless without spending $300 on the ESC alone.

Happywing 06.20.2008 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sower (Post 183935)
The other thing I would say is to be careful about pointing fingers at CC unless you have first hand knowledge of what they do or don't do in their testing. Your judgement can be damaging to their reputation and should be given careful scrutiny. CC has proven they are a great company and puts out great products with great service.

Why be careful? Opinions on a forum are not going to damage their reputation. If anything has caused any damage, it's the MMM itself. We have a large group of conversion guys around here and we know what works/what doesn't. It's very clear to us that CC did not do their homework. No, we don't know how they did their testing. Whatever they did though, was not enough. Nobody's making up these stories about failures and for the most part, people have been very understanding. I don't know why everyone's so careful about being critical. I know CC has been a great company to us all and we're giving them a free pass on this one. Still, you can call the MMM what it is at this point...a big disappointment.

phatmonk 06.20.2008 05:08 PM

So when will we see this 1/8 controler from Tekin.After you have driven Nitro then crossed over to Brushless you never want to go back.How long is it going to take to offer a reliable controler that can take the punishment.This 1/8 Brushless market is going to explode and whoever can design a Speed control that will stand the test of time is going to be be considered the golden standard = to companies like Neu.I have been checking the Tekin website for any info on the r1mt and the link is gone.I hope they havent decide to pull away from this 1/8 controler market.I have heard alot of good thing about Tekin.

Mister-T 06.20.2008 05:36 PM

Tekin isn't better, R1 launch was a failure.
On the early day it was said a all round controler,
Then people start complaining about odd behaviour with some motor.
Lack of Punch @ start
Thermal shutdown
Going backward (!) or sitting duck.

Afterward Tekin slowly recognise the different problem.

The problem with 4 cells + uber large gearing on 1/12 which is mostly used in competion was never told until people start complaining.

That let me perplex about Team driver and RACE tested stuff.

Sower 06.23.2008 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Happywing (Post 184004)
Why be careful? Opinions on a forum are not going to damage their reputation. If anything has caused any damage, it's the MMM itself. We have a large group of conversion guys around here and we know what works/what doesn't. It's very clear to us that CC did not do their homework. No, we don't know how they did their testing. Whatever they did though, was not enough. Nobody's making up these stories about failures and for the most part, people have been very understanding. I don't know why everyone's so careful about being critical. I know CC has been a great company to us all and we're giving them a free pass on this one. Still, you can call the MMM what it is at this point...a big disappointment.

I think you and I will have to just agree to disagree. I think people should always be careful about what they say - forum or not. Now if there's something of value that is solution based, great. If not, I really don't see the point in this type of gossip, and yeah, I do feel it can be damaging.

And this whole idea that CC hasn't "done their homework" or didn't test enough . . . please tell me how more homework or testing would have solved the problem of getting some bad parts.

All I can say is that I know what works and doesn't work and my MMM is working perfectly with my Neu 1515 & 6s 3900 :whistle:

Geogenesis13 07.04.2008 11:47 PM

no new info yet

DRIFT_BUGGY 07.05.2008 12:45 AM

No :neutral:

Geogenesis13 07.07.2008 05:15 PM

tekin i know you are here somewhere so release the rx8 already you said it was going to come out this month are you having to push the date back please do not say it if not than are you keeping it to your self cause it is so much fun come on give us some info already

captain harlock 07.08.2008 06:21 PM

I think since they've removed the r1mt page from their site, this means we're going to wait for some time now.

DRIFT_BUGGY 07.08.2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by captain harlock (Post 189569)
I think since they've removed the r1mt page from their site, this means we're going to wait for some time now.

Yeah, noticed that aswell but the page has been changed from what it use to be


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