How? You don't see faults in everything I listed? True, I hate the idea of the truck but that doesn't make me a hater. It doesn't make sense. Punching the numbers in this truck will run less than 20mph on 14 cells. So any bashing done at speed would be just boring. Think of the oringinal E-Maxx's first gear. Very boring, eh? This truck will be miserably boring to drive anywhere with any flat ground. It shouldn't crawl over rocks any better than a spooled Maxx truck with the same size tires. As for the 775 motor, how do you know they make more power than 2 Titans? I haven't seen any specs on them. You gear a Maxx down to 20mph in second gear and you have a truck with insane torque. And I don't know if you guys really get how slow 20mph is in one of these trucks. It is slower than most dogs running speeds. And the drivelines are still too steep of an angle. The will break under much power or tire binding. This truck will not be brushless capable.

5 servos...... 5 servos????? 5 servos!!!!! That truck is a nightmare to repair having to remove and re-set that many servos. How hard is it to just get 2 E-Maxx steering servos synced up? And how "strong" are those gears? We break those servos in STAMPEDES, they are going to fail miserably off road under any light crawling. You guys be the test rats, and if I'm wrong I will say it but I am willing to bet that as soon as these hit the streets we get complaints rolling in.

it just seems that you cant look at any of the good points on this truck.

i realize it doesnt serve too much of a purpose for some(not a pro basher or crawler) but it does have a bunch of cool features to it.

if you throw a brushless system in there i bet you can get a good 35-40 in there in hi mode. put in a single nice servo and now your down to 4:oh:
lower it a little and the angle will not be a problem.

you know that at first glance you thought it looked baddass with the tires-rims-and body. sure it will have its faults but most of it can be taken care of with a few tweakings.

i may be wrong about the truck too but we will all find out when it comes out

Tempted- you are a hater of the worst kind! An imaginary hater, living in a pretend world where your assumptions about the summit are reality. You really show your youth and ignorance when talking with such conviction about something that doesn't exist yet. Now on to your rants: Bashing at 20mph may be boring to you, but there is all kinds of bashing and all kinds of people. It will crawl much better than a spooled maxx truck, thanks to it's low gearing, high torque motor, and phenomenal articulation of the revo suspension. (ever gauge RTI, or ramp travel index, the good crawlers have, articulation helps) And have you watched the summit videos? It crawls quite well. Maybe you haven't seen specs on a 775 motor, but many of us have seen specs on almost every motor we can find. It's not a "traxxas" motor with hidden specs, it's a 775 sized motor with easy to find specs with a "traxxas" sticker on it, and according to how many watts of power produced, one 775 has more torque than two 550's. I don't know if you know how fast 20mph is. Not many dogs can run 20mph. A man walking is 3-4 mph, 7 mph is a slight jog. 20mph in a small yard is petty fast. Most racers are geared below 40, and bashing in a yard they get nowhere near top speed. You might want to get a radar gun andsee some actual speeds and familiarize yourself with them before talking or writing to forums, you really make yourself sound foolish. Nobody knows about the diffs, but the rest of the truck is brushless capable, as proven in the e-revo. 5 servos. Cool! Since 3 of the 5 are for shifting they won't see any load and won't break. The steering servfos are the new metal geared digital servos, so those won't break. You have a hard time synching two e-maxx servos? That's day one stuff, if that's too hard for you, you may want to get out of r/c and check out the forums at www.legosforkiddies.com Their toys are much more user friendly.

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Tempted - you'd better watch out. _paralyzed_ has one bad ass chair......

Keep in mind that if you look into the final drive ratios 25:1 and 75:1 you will see that they coordinate almost perfectly to the stock 3905maxx/erevo tranny with the standard gears and the wide ratio 1st gear set. The tranny/gears are well proven to handle brushless just fine.

I am sure that the diffs are based off the highly successful diffs in the e-maxx and e-revo so I really wouldn't worry there. I have had no diff issues in either my 3905 maxx or my erevo.

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Thank you, JTheissen, that made my day! And tempted- I agree with you on some parts, I just felt like playing the devil's advocate and stirring the pot a little. It's nowhere near as capable as a purpose built crawler or as racy as a pimped out brushless e-maxx, but I for one cannot wait to get stuck in the mud with a summit, lock in the diffs and drive my way out. I will drive it in a manner that is sensible for a bone stock traxxas vehicle and I beleive it will be fun. It may only top out at 20, but sometimes spinning your wheels and getting no where are the best times in life! L8R!

i have the older wide maxx for about 4years with the bomb proof torpedo chassis and its done it all from nasty brushless powered mud truck with f/r spools, to all out racer, i am glad to see these locking diffs i hate changing out those spools for diffs, and anything you put a brushless in your gonna have issues somewhere along the lines in drivetrain i know i have, ring and pinions mostly, over all i think its a good move for traxxas alot of people are into this type of driving style, spools put a ton of stress on everything and it sucks when you have to choose either or depending on how you want to drive that day

i saw that venom racing has a new toy, a 2.2 crawler with optional locking diffs which looks sick

Actually I am very familiar with 20mph speeds in MTs and it is mind numbingly boring. Dogs can run at 45mph by the way. Sorry if yours is slow, guess you need a brushless motor. So how many watts does the 775 make? Why would it crawl better than a spooled Maxx truck? You can gear down on a Maxx truck and have all the torque you will ever want or need to crawl. I am willing to bet you right here and now that as soon as it sees a real MT sized brushless system the truck will fail imdiately. The drive angles are too steep, the gears are too low meaning too much torque to the gimmicky lockers and the ride height is too tall paired with the soft suspension meaning it will roll at any speeds above 15 or so MPH. So your telling me the E-Maxx has no steering servo problems? Your telling me it isn't a pain in the ass having to set them every time you take a big jump? And then adjusting the shifting and locker servos is gonna be great fun. So I'm foolishly asking you to answer questions you foolishly think you know. I'm stating facts about the machine, your saying that it looks cool on the video. On papaer this truck is terrible. Kids who like the looks and want lights will enjoy it.

Come on now.

I would love be one of those KIDS that get to beat the mess out of one. It looks OK (I like a racer style myself) but as I said before all my trucks have been all about speed and handleing. The only issue is that at slower speeds they are no fun b/c they handle way too well. They also dont crawl over stuff very well b/c (again) they are set up for racing. So this truck would be something different. I can see myself playing at the sand pit, the concrete plant, and running it threw a mud hole. I wouldnt dare go put my e-revo or the lst2 threw a mud hole(heck I wouldnt take them to the concrete plant either) So again its something different than the normal and I wouldnt mind(b/c its slower) letting my kids play with it too. (its scary giving a 6 year old the controls of a 50mph 14 pound E-lst2)

Tempted- I was once young and headstrong myself. I would argue a point till no end. The fault with that logic is that you close your mind to the facts, and the argument becomes about winning, rather than coming to an amicable conclusion about the original question. If 20mph is too slow for you, I suggest not buying a traxxas summit. And, you got me, a highly trained racing greyhound can acheive 45mph, I too can google. I don't recall the exact numbers of the 775 motor, but traxxas states that the 775 has more torque than the two 550's, and they aren't in to false advertising, and you can see the same statement at kershaw designs about the very similar 820 sized motor conversion. There is a lot more to crawling than just torque. I explained in my earlier post that articulation plays a huge part in crawling, making the summit, with the phenomenal revo suspension, a much more capable crawler than any maxx truck. Apparently your reading comprehension leaves a little to be desired. About your bet: the gears have been proven. The shafts are even stronger than the well proven 3.3 shafts. Although race trucks don't sit at the same stance as a summit, that is simply ride height. While racing a truck will see full compression and full droop, going through the complete articulation of the suspension, so the steep angles you keep referring to have already been experienced and handled by traxxas slider shafts. And, back to the gearing, it's been proven. Of course a monster truck setup for crawling will roll if you try to carve a turn at 15-20 mph. No surprise there. Any experienced r/c'er knows to back off before turning to keep her on all fours. Stick around, I could teach you alot. I don't have any servo problems with my e-maxxes. If I did I would upgrade the part that is repeatedly failing, as simply repairing it and hoping for a different outcome is, by definition, insanity. Adjusting shifting servos is actually quite easy, not for you it seems, but it is a very simple procedure. Furthermore, the servos come preset, so why are you so worried about adjusting them? In fact, shifting servos are the easiest of servos to set as they only have two positions and don't need to be centered. You are not saying facts about the machine. You assume the drive line angle is too steep and will fail. You assume the gears will strip. All assumption and no fact. I don't say it looked cool on the video, I say that on the video it actually crawled over rocks that I don't think any of my maxxes could have. Thats fact. You say on paper the truck looks terrible. Maybe you should ask your mom for the big box of crayons with the sharpener on the back, so when you draw trucks on paper they won't look so terrible. If you want to talk crap about anything, upcoming or present, take it elsewhere. Nobody here likes negativity,and bashing on something just because you don't like it isn't tolerated, which is the real reason I wasted the time it took to write this response. If you have constructive criticism about something that may be sub-par, then by all means, share, but if all you want to do is say that sux, tell your mom as she tucks you in. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.:mdr:

Ahhhhh! It's a linguistic tsunami!!!!!!! :lol: Pwnt.

anybody notice how i said alot of not nice things and then ended with, "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all"???? I'm such a hypocrite............:lol:

It was self-defense. :rofl:

Sounds to me like your getting quite defensive. I'm thinking you need to spend a little less time trying to come up with big words and quizitive remarks and look at the truck as a whole, rather than just arguing to be argumentative which you are so clearly doing. Your wasting your time and mine by trying to negate my logic and insert your own. Revo suspension is great in a RACE TRUCK. Maybe you should ask your mommy to read you a copy of RC Action to explain why independant suspension sucks when you try to crawl with it while she is tucking you in. Oh and those gears you talk about, explain how you know they are strong? Because I know that large tires, low gearing and plastic parts equal breakage. If you are scared that I might hurt someones feelings about a truck then maybe its you who shouldn't be posting on a forum; what do you think a forum is all about? I, too, took english class and can phrase anything into a much more complicated argument than it should be. Tell ya what, get you a Summit, throw a brushless system of your choice on it and video the first run. If I'm wrong, I admit my mistake. My bet is that you won't post the video of your driveline exploding once those tires bind and the brushless motor puts the torque to ALL THE PLASTIC DRIVELINE COMPONENTS. You seem to be hell bent on a sub-par truck when you admit it does nothing well. I've shreaded more Maxx diffs than you can count with a "weak" dual VXL truck. The torque kills the soft plastic cups. If you think these cups are going to hold up to even more torque, larger tires and more weight maybe you should spend some time online. Oh and by the way, I didn't have to google dog speeds. I seem to be able to remember things without having to do a search every time a question may arise. I won't argue with you since it is so apparent you only intend to argue. You don't seem to be going anywhere other than trying to prove me wrong. Chill out, sit in your rocking chair and watch the sunset. I don't argue for arguments sake. I try to prove my point and get out, but it seems others like to try and disprove my comments. Lets not let this get out of hand.

why dont you just drop it.

both of you.

i havent seen so much arguing ever in this forum and i dont want this shit to start.