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Originally Posted by _paralyzed_ (Post 308744)

I just figured you had some amp hungry setups. It was a pipe dream anyway.....

I do have some amp hungry set ups, but after my 2 3S 3000mAh packs almost opened up, I will not take any chances, even if they do have better cells now.

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Originally Posted by zeropointbug (Post 308747)

YES! Everydayflyer is an AWESOME reviewer! He tested the TP 40C packs along side the G3's, very close in performance. With many many graphs and had all the cycling data based.

He's the type of guy who will tell it like it is. If a cell or pack sucks, he'll say it, but if the pack is as good as it claims to be, the only one winning is the company that made that pack. That's why I like to test things over and over to make sure it performs not only good, but great. MA should do this as they have no control of manufacturing the cells and not all of them will be perfect.

Perchance is there a link to where this testing is taking place?

What about a group-buy for a MA lipo- 5000 members / $250 = $0.05c each; mass email to generate a reponce, then send the money to an account setup for just this purhcase & handled by a trust worthy member...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...04&postcount=1

That's the review of the TP PP 40C and the HP G3 35C packs, each are 3300mah. Lot's of graphs and discharge tests.

Most of the graphs he has a very high cut-off discharge voltage, which kinda sucks though.

This one is a combo of the TP and Hp packs.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attac...mentid=2530857

Nah, group purchase... they throw around hundreds of packs to mag's, so I think they can give us one. The mere fact that he never replied about donating a pack, after several times me asking, tells me that they won't deliver. :whistle:

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Originally Posted by suicideneil (Post 308761)

I like that idea, then we can solve this once and for all. I'd be willing to throw in a couple of bucks for the purchase of a MA lipo for testing purposes. Send it to a third party as mentioned above to have it tested then we can find the real truth!

I was thinking about that as well, but I don't think many people would help buy a MA pack, from reading this thread... =/

I'm in for $5.00, If it fails then maybe we can flame freely ?

If this were to happen and the pack passes, I'll buy one to show sportsmanship.

I would do the same, minus the buying one, I don't even have a motor yet... =/

I'd be down for tossing in a few bucks as well....

And if it does fail...
Which guy here has that new shotty?

But if it passes, we go grab a frame and frame it?

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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 308670)

Some of the harsher posts have been edited out, but most of the thread has been left intact. Nothing was removed that states experiences and/or opinions based on experiences, which is the important thing.

What I don't get is how we are supposed to magically believe these new cells are "the thing". It's not like prior experience encourages trying again. Usually, people that have a bad experience (or multiple bad experiences) in the past are a little leary of trying again solely based on a company's word. Sorry, but that's the truth. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If I buy several Fords and have constant problems with each, you can be damn sure I won't buy another one in the future even if the dealer says all the issues are resolved! Same idea here.

I was more than willing to remain civil/professional/diplomatic, but when words were shoved in my mouth, I took offense. And to add insult to injury, was then challenged to provide examples! Like I would just regurgitate what other people said just to get on the bash MA bandwagon! That did it. Don't ask a question and then pout when you hear an answer you don't like! When/if Mike sees this, he can chastise me, but I have to call it like I see it, repercussions be damned.

I agree, the only way to put this to bed would be to have Austin send a test pack to someone to provide graphed results reflecting the claims. Even if they do perform like claimed, that doesn't change the results of past cell testing.

I have been watching/editing this thread from the beginning. Deleted some stuff each time I check in, but most of the thread has been reasonably civil. I was glad to see Austin here, actually. In my experience(phone, in person, etc.), Austin is a good guy. I hope he chooses to support his stuff here and address the concerns many folks here have stated - Surely he can't be on these forums fighting this battle day in and day out, though. And the occasional "cheap shots" that some folks can't help themselves with aren't gonna motivate anyone to come here and fight a losing battle. Keep the comments professional and factual or don't expect Austin to comment much.

If you have an experience that you want Austin to comment on or reconcile, then post it in a non-offensive manner and avoid the name-calling and "Jason" comments - Jason isn't in this thread, and Jason isn't the company diplomat - he is the marketing guy - tough to argue his effectiveness at this task. If Austin wants to post graphs, donate packs or otherwise substantiate Maxamps battery claims, then he will do so. This is his choice - not an obligation. Name calling, bashing and inapproriate comments surely won't motivate him to donate anything(info or otherwise), so keep these comments to yourself.

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Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 308731)

I will offer one last piece of constructive criticism/advice to Austin.

Check out the Castle Creations forum on here and look at the beatings they have taken from many members. Then take a look at how Patrick Del Castillo and the others at CC have responded. This is the perfect example of how to take criticism and respond appropriately to customers. Patrick in the beginning of the MMM issues even made a bet with one member over a free MMM. Patrick then lost the bet and gave the customer the free MMM. CC has constantly been berated on this forum and still comes back to help with a positive attitude. That sir is how customer service is done. Don't blame the customer, accept repsonsibilty, take it in stride, use it to learn, and move down the road.

I would also direct you to the Team Tekin forums and take cues from the Tekin guys as well. Again another perfect example of how to handle criticism and customer service.

Yes, Patrick and the CC crew have been raked over the coals for the MMM V1 (and V2). And nearly every member here at RCM has a MMM, because they make it right with customer service and product improvements.

I will say also that I have emailed and spoke to Austin on the phone, I have no complaints whatsoever with his customer service and if the new packs are improved from previous ones I would have no problem buying them in the future (if the price is right).

All we need to see is some discharge graphs and perhaps an independent test to back it up.

I would throw up some money towards a pack from MA. No need to get anything more than a 2s pack for testing purposes. Plus we must have someone here with that 20% discount that can get us a "deal" on it... I used to have that thru the local hobby shop, and if I called MA it might still be available. LHS addy has changed though, might need to update the info a bit.

I'll throw in a couple dollars as well. And IMO, I think it should be donated to the guy on RC Group to test. Reviewing his work, he seems thorough and non-bias in his testing, so I think he would give the MA pack a fair chance just like the other.
I have said this for myself as well. I wouldn't mind buy a MA pack if the price wasn't double a comparable product.

I just picked up (2) Hyperion G3 Vx 2s 5500mah packs. I paid $76.50 each for a total of $158 shipped for the 2 packs.
I actually looked at the comparable MA packs. 5250HC packs at $134.99 each.....
That in itself justified my purchase, along with the past history.

Now, I'm not trying to bash. My LHS sells the piss out of MA packs. And the only way he buys them is with the 3yr warranty. I have seen quite a few of these racing at the track and asked about them. The say they are great. I asked if he tried any other packs, they say No....

I too would like to see the discharge graphs to substantiate the 60C claims.

The way I see it, there isn't nobody holding a gun to anyones head to buy Maxamp Batteries, if you don't like them then go by another kind or go buy some of those Hong Kong Zippies. I have been running them for years and will continue to run them. I don't know what the fuss is, they are still the same batteries they were a month ago. I don't think anyone on this forum can tell me what CONSTANT RATING IS or STANDS FOR, because there isn't one RC vehicle in this world that has a CONSTANT AMP RATING????????

I think thats one of the main issues really:

1) Its easy to claim they are the best packs on the market, to para phrase Austin, but without proof thats an empty claim.
2) Other manufacturers display graphes with discharge info, so why not MA?
3) Ignoring issues with older cells that users have experienced is not fair; if you want examples of why people dont trust MA, then you have to be prepared to listen to people's experiences of older packs (vs other companies older packs).
4) Choosing to completely ignore people's questions or critisms and running away back to the NK forum hardly looks terribly proffesional; stay the course and face upto the questions, and try to dispel the negative comments and preconceptions.
5) Give some insight into the reasoning behind ditching continuous ratings, other than 'burst ratings make more sense', as it really doesnt make any sense given the nature of ground based vehicles. At worst, burst ratings and continuous ratings should be listed, with graphs showing that the lipos can perform to those ratings- unlike the 35c pack that only manages 28c in the graph I posted (from the NK forum no less...).