Evidently I touched a nerve :lol:

I use turnigy lipos exclusively. Yes i have a couple packs with bad cells but its my own fault for not putting a storage charge on them over the winter. I dont bother calling HK CS because its my fault, not theirs.

Both Venom and Maxamps are pushed really hard where i live because they are both located in my area. Honestly I dont know of anyone in my area that has had much luck with either of those companies. But if Venom lipos are working for you then by all means continue to use them!

I simply followed the enclosed instructions :rules: :rules: that smc includes with each battery as I do with each mfr because they all have different ways they want you to care for the batteries that they feel works best for their batteries. I have a storage feature button which comes in handy so a person doesn't have to sit there and watch the exact voltage.

No nerves frayed here otherwise I wouldnt have posted in another thread you were in. I was just simply stating the facts and what I was observing in the response to me. Yeah venom has worked for a few years for me. I've seen a lot of people get into trouble with them by using to low a C rated battery with a mmm combo in the brushless emaxx and surprisingly castle and venom replace the mmm escs and batteries.


Two really good companies that have excellent customer service. I just credit due where I see companies doing good things for customers. WERe allwe have out here and let's face it we have a lot of shysters out here giving this industry a bad label taking advantage of newbs and then us experienced guys have to step up and right a wrong. The unsung heroes that keep this hobby alive is what a lot of us do out here.

Didn't read the entire thread but good luck with IP laws in china... they are slim to none and really not enforced at all... best of luck

I think these are the production model of the ESCs referenced in the first post. They changed the color scheme but the overall design looks identical to the original pics. I won't jump to conclusions before seeing the internals and programming, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are clones of the Phoenix. Especially since HK says an HV version is coming soon.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...GY_DEL100A.jpg

BUT -- Hobbyking does business in both the USA and Hong Kong.

At least now they do since they have 'store presence' in the States.

But will their presence in the US force them to become a more legitimate company or will they handle the orders that are questionable abroad and claim that they have no control over their affiliate and try to say its independently ran to try to keep them from being looked at by federal regulators or equivalent for the purposes of this issue. I say that someone of importance needs to get them on record and show by their claim that both facilities are ran by the same person or equivalent because this is what it would come down to in a US court of law.

If they've been violating patents and such as alleged by traxxas corp then I'd be surprised if they weren't being looked at because one would think traxxas wouldn't be sitting around on this....................

HobbyKing locates in Hong Kong but does NOT ship to Hong Kong and China. And they rarely manufacture anyting. This may make it harder for the Chinese laws to work on the products they sell. Looks like pressing them by CC from US side has more likelihood to win.

Searching through some old posts on another forum someone linked to that ESC, because they had used it and were suggesting someone buy it. They are in stock, shipping, and people are linking to it. I take it there's really nothing that can be done except try to educate people about what it really is?

O well CC is still best with products and especially service!
I had only issues with HK products and service!
No more Chinese crap fake, clones whatever they are selling!

It's what's on the inside that counts anyway. Didn't anyone ever pay attention to their mom?

I see like this:

Castle makes a twinkie. It's a beautiful yellow cake with cream filled goodness.

These Chinese guys make a what looks a lot like Castle's twinkie, except instead of cream filled goodness is ash from burnt cow crap.

I guess none of this really matters. Apparently, for those that buy the Hobby King electronic products, especially look alike speed controllers, are getting products that do not work, or will not work for very long. Therefore, normal market forces will prevale, and the consumer will naturally stop buying the Chinese products that bring such great disappointment.

CC rules.......

Dennis

It's a question of value vs. quality/longevity. I work with a bunch of guys that use hobby king gear and toss out things once and a while but the overall out of pocket costs are still quite low and although not as crisp as some of my CC gear they have fun and enjoy it all the same.

With Hobby King's growth I see the market forces prevailing as you state, there is enough of a volume to keep them and CC alive, personally I have used but never purchased a HK ESC myself but many have and many will continue to do so.

And that somehow makes what they're doing OK? Whether that's true or not is beside the point.

Of course not, I was commenting on Dennis post about market forces correcting things, not whether or not what they are doing is wrong.