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Pdelcast 12.16.2009 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 339386)
Glad to hear it :yipi: Will the heli motors (with the shaved fins) have the 6mm shaft and the Monster Truck motors be 5mm? IMO that's the way it should have been from the start, but oh well.

The front bearing is 6x16x5, correct? Mine got some metal shavings in it from grinding the shaft down and needs to be replaced.

Yes, the heli motor will be 6mm, and the truck motor 5mm. It should have been that way from the beginning -- was an oversight on my part.

I'll have to get back to you on the bearing size - - working at home today (sick kids...)

Pdelcast 12.16.2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bruce750i (Post 339373)
Maybe the 5mm shaft rotors will be offered seperatly?If one wanted both size shafts for one motor.

Once we have the 5mm shaft in production, we'll offer a replacement rotor to those who got a 6mm and need a 5mm instead.

lincpimp 12.16.2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 339405)
Once we have the 5mm shaft in production, we'll offer a replacement rotor to those who got a 6mm and need a 5mm instead.

Good stuff, but will you swap out for the ones that were "modded" to 5mm...? Nothing against my skill, but I would much rather have a properly turned shaft than my half-assed attempt!!!!!

Pdelcast 12.16.2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 339416)
Good stuff, but will you swap out for the ones that were "modded" to 5mm...? Nothing against my skill, but I would much rather have a properly turned shaft than my half-assed attempt!!!!!

Sure -- but it will be about 6 weeks before I have 'em here.

lincpimp 12.16.2009 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 339419)
Sure -- but it will be about 6 weeks before I have 'em here.

No prob, I will most likely run this as is, see how it does. Thanks for taking care of us, means alot to me at least!

Urgeoner 12.16.2009 06:39 PM

Yes, thanks Patrick! Would it be a core swap, or would you have us 6 mm guys just ship back the old motor?

Unsullied_Spy 12.16.2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 339420)
No prob, I will most likely run this as is, see how it does. Thanks for taking care of us, means alot to me at least!

+1, a new rotor would sure be nice. Very nice gesture and much appreciated.

hyper9e 12.16.2009 09:41 PM

I got my 1512 1.5y today, here are some pictures http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1261013929http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1261014011http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1261014054

Semi Pro 12.17.2009 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 339405)
Once we have the 5mm shaft in production, we'll offer a replacement rotor to those who got a 6mm and need a 5mm instead.

thankyou

Unsullied_Spy 12.18.2009 10:49 PM

I got a 6x16x5 bearing for mine and just an FYI is is the WRONG size. I need to measure mine again and order another bearing, this motor is proving to be a pain in the ass.

EDIT: Measure twice, buy once. it's 6x17x6. Boca has a good selection of them, should hold up as well or better than the stock one anyway.

snellemin 12.18.2009 11:03 PM

I finally got mine today. Post office beat up the shipping box pretty good.

1520 vs C40 hacker.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...r/DSCF8456.jpg

Unsullied_Spy 12.18.2009 11:22 PM

As far as mounting, I bought a Tungsten Carbide cutter for my Dremel (Part number 9903) and it made mince-meat of my RC-M motor mount. I widened the channels to accept the 4mm screws in about 30 seconds then spent a minute or two smoothing it out and it came out great.

Mounting in a Muggy is a piece of cake and there is plenty of room for gearing. There's still space between the motor and chassis and I can push the motor all the way into the chassis brace and have the rotor so close you could probably put a 9T pinion (or maybe smaller) on it and not have an issue. Can't speak for other 1/8th scales but with a quick bit of Dremelling on the mount it mounts up very well. I'm glad they put 4mm mounting screws on this motor, it's heavy enough that the extra strength may come in handy.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...y/DSC00060.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...y/DSC00061.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...y/DSC00058.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...y/DSC00059.jpg

Urgeoner 12.19.2009 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 339765)
As far as mounting, I bought a Tungsten Carbide cutter for my Dremel (Part number 9903) and it made mince-meat of my RC-M motor mount. I widened the channels to accept the 4mm screws in about 30 seconds then spent a minute or two smoothing it out and it came out great.

Mounting in a Muggy is a piece of cake and there is plenty of room for gearing. There's still space between the motor and chassis and I can push the motor all the way into the chassis brace and have the rotor so close you could probably put a 9T pinion (or maybe smaller) on it and not have an issue. Can't speak for other 1/8th scales but with a quick bit of Dremelling on the mount it mounts up very well. I'm glad they put 4mm mounting screws on this motor, it's heavy enough that the extra strength may come in handy.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...y/DSC00061.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...y/DSC00059.jpg

Glad to hear it was a success :yes: And looks great !

Urgeoner 12.19.2009 12:23 AM

Anyone know what the max rpm on 1520 is?

snellemin 12.19.2009 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Urgeoner (Post 339769)
Anyone know what the max rpm on 1520 is?

Mine says 60K max on the endbell.

bruce750i 12.19.2009 02:42 PM

It looks great U Spy! Nice work with the dremel.

Urgeoner 12.20.2009 01:50 AM

So has anyone had a chance to actually run this motor? I know it's 45k max, but is it fast enough?

bruce750i 12.20.2009 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Urgeoner (Post 339901)
So has anyone had a chance to actually run this motor? I know it's 45k max, but is it fast enough?



I have here is some Video of it in my Project: Savage X-17

It all depends on your gearing. This motor should be able to pull some crazy (1/8 scale) gear ratios.
Assuming the esc and lipos can handle it.

Urgeoner 12.20.2009 02:54 PM

That looks really cool Bruce! I like the center diff especially!:yes:

lincpimp 12.21.2009 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Urgeoner (Post 339901)
So has anyone had a chance to actually run this motor? I know it's 45k max, but is it fast enough?

Is it fast enough? Most here run about 35-40k rpms on their MT setups. I have run motors closer to 50k for lighter vehicles, 10th scale and 1/8 buggies, but those motors were smaller/lighter...

Holding it in my hand I have a feeling it will easily eclipse the power my neu 1521 1y on 6s puts down. That is a 1600kv motor on 6s, so not beating 40k rpms... The 1717 will have more torque than the 1521, but may spool up slightly slower. I have a feeling it will really weed out the crap lipos though, hope the 40c zippies can keep up.

I need to get suspension back under my lst and give this bad boy a try, My 2nd tdr mount came in, and this one has the m4 sized front plate so I can run my 1717 without the rcm thread adapter plate. I will get it together at work tomorrow and post some pics of the motor correctly mounted with the new tdr plate and the 25/63 gearing.

Hope to have the battery tray made up and the truck running by christmas!

Unsullied_Spy 12.26.2009 06:57 PM

I got my bearing in from Boca and now it seems I borked a CD bearing, but I ran it anyway. Pretty sure the can is too big to allow for my 14T pinion, so I slid on a 16T just so I could run it (geared for 60 MPH before ballooning). Accelerated my ~14 pound Muggy to top speed as fast as the tires would allow and in the 3 minutes that the pinion stayed on the shaft it never got even noticeably warm (running without a body). Seems like the perfect motor for my Muggy, but I'll have to wait until Summer to see if I need to mod it to take a bigger spur because there's no way I can gear it down to 45 with those tires and the stock spur.

I got some video, it's kinda crappy but it works. I have no internet at home right now, but hopefully I can netstumble upon some sucker who thinks WEP is "good enough" and get the video up.

Urgeoner 12.29.2009 11:29 PM

Any word when I could send my motor back and get the 5mm shaft version? It's still in the box and I never had power run through it yet...

Unsullied_Spy 12.31.2009 01:14 AM

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r..._Muggy1717.jpg

riverat1540 12.31.2009 08:22 AM

the snow on the ground really wont let it perform it seems, i think when i have the money ill put the 1520 in mine as i want more gearing options but ill have to buy a new chassis plate as mine still resembles a taco. nice vid looks cold out there. really makes me want to get mine out again.

Unsullied_Spy 12.31.2009 03:14 PM

Yeah the snow wouldn't let it hook up very well but the power is insane. It was around 0 that night, but I really wanted to run it!

coolhandcountry 12.31.2009 04:26 PM

If it has any power like my 2250 had.
It is a awesome and fun motor.

MiamiJato 12.31.2009 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 331102)
Here you go...

From left to right -- 1520 / 1Y / 1500Kv -- 1518 / 1Y / 1800Kv -- 1512 / 1.5Y / 1800Kv -- 1717 / 1Y / 1580Kv


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...IMG_0070-1.jpg

great looking motors......

MiamiJato 12.31.2009 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiJato (Post 341649)
great looking motors......

which battery is the best for 6s full high speed motor?

suicideneil 01.01.2010 01:19 AM

Too vague.

What truck and motor do you have exactly?
What speed are you aiming for roughly?
How much money do you have to spend on lipos & charging equipment?

How much experience of BL and high end r/cs do you have?

Answer that little lot then we'll be able to make some proper recommendations...

coolhandcountry 01.01.2010 11:33 AM

What would people think about 1717 on 4s lip?

suicideneil 01.01.2010 11:47 AM

1580kv on 4s will be rather slow, needs a bit more voltage to unleash its potential I would say.

sikeston34m 01.01.2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by coolhandcountry (Post 341686)
What would people think about 1717 on 4s lip?

IMO, alot of it really comes down to available gearing options.

Neil, you are right about unleashing it's full potential, But........

Even on 4S, such a well built motor can really perform.

Example:

I just picked up another Heli motor. I have an obsession with outrunner type motors, thus the reason for the avatar.

This one is HUGE. 43mm X 72mm. It is a 8 pole outrunner that yields 1100kv.

It's stator is 35mm in dia. X 38mm Long. Very strong magnets.

The advertised rating is 1600 watts continuous and 6S.

The Thing is a Torque Monster.

I've only ran it once so far on 4S, but in an E Revo geared 25/36 using Mod 1 gears, It is very impressive.

No Cogging and it will backflip. LOL It runs really cool too.

1st run was cut short when the Motor Pinion came loose. This time it got some Blue Lock Tight.

Back on Topic, the 1717 looks to be VERY well built. I can see one of those in my future.

I see alot of talk about Maximum RPM's, but you gotta realize just how much torque the lower kv motors are capable of.

How high it winds becomes less of a performance factor, the larger the motors get. :yes:

riverat1540 01.01.2010 02:30 PM

when i first got into this everyone was buying the really high kv motors and puting and running them to the rpm limit causing hot setups. now its the monster max and a low kv motor that runs cool and efficient. im really enjoying this new stuff as it comes out.

coolhandcountry 01.01.2010 06:37 PM

I tried a 1280 kv motor on 6s.
It kind of surprised me.
I figured even on stock gearing it should run faster.
Alot more pep to. :D
On an emaxx machine :)

bruce750i 01.02.2010 05:08 AM

Nice video Un.Spy! That 1717 is a bad boy!

Unsullied_Spy 01.13.2010 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce750i (Post 341850)
Nice video Un.Spy! That 1717 is a bad boy!

Thanks, unfortunately that truck was stolen a few weeks back :(

Are all the new truck-specific motors shipping with 5mm shafts? I'm in the market for a replacement truck but would like to run the MMM with a 1717 again.

riverat1540 01.13.2010 07:02 AM

Someone stole your muggy? how did that happen?

Bondonutz 01.13.2010 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 343849)
Thanks, unfortunately that truck was stolen a few weeks back :(

Are all the new truck-specific motors shipping with 5mm shafts? I'm in the market for a replacement truck but would like to run the MMM with a 1717 again.

Sullied,
Bro, Really sorry to hear some dirty scum bag Mother F'er stole your RC. Hope you find whom did this and they get whats coming to them ?

Castle,
I too would like to know about the 5mm shaft availibilty for the newer 1717's ??????

bruce750i 01.13.2010 01:15 PM

Fooking Scum! That blows Spy!

Well if a 1717 with a custom shaft shows up anywhere in your tri-state area chances are good it was yours.

I'm pretty sure the new ones will be 5mm.

Unsullied_Spy 01.13.2010 09:08 PM

Yeah, really sucks. My shotgun and shovel are ready if anyone knows who has it....


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