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stum 04.02.2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 358531)
I don't think the 10T would be legal in the SC class, Stum - the track width is too wide. It also uses 6mm axles rather than 5mm, so the SC wheels/tires wouldn't be a direct fit, either.


Last part to solve was the wheels. Normal SCT wheels have a terrible offset and this made the truck way too wide. I found out (thanks Matt) that the Proline Protrack Suspension kit had been developed with zero offset wheels. They make the truck exactly the same width as a normal Traxxas 4x4 SCT and also as an added benefit, they make it so the king pin is in proper alignment with the wheel for better suspension geometry/ improved handling. And nothing rubs.

The wheel hexes are wrong for these SC wheels, so I had to also make a set out of stock Traxxas plastic hexes. I just had to drill them out to 6mm from the 5mm they have stock.

teknorc 04.02.2010 11:03 PM

Totally agree. We put ProLine ProTrac wheels on there. They have 0 offset and narrowed the truck to within specs, he was running 3s with a 2200kv Lektron 50 prototype. Normally he runs 4s to keep up, but everyone was complaining so he ran 3s and still whooped up :(

LOL, where would we be without home-brew?

stum 04.02.2010 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by teknorc (Post 358544)
Totally agree. We put ProLine ProTrac wheels on there. They have 0 offset and narrowed the truck to within specs, he was running 3s with a 2200kv Lektron 50 prototype. Normally he runs 4s to keep up, but everyone was complaining so he ran 3s and still whooped up :(

LOL, where would we be without home-brew?

They will sell.. make me one please :) I'm sure I could run it at my track in the SC 4x4 unlimited ;) Rules 2s lipo 10th scale esc (mmpro), motor "open" and must use SC tires and SC body.

I'd like spec length and to be able to mount w/ your standard motor mounts.. How far off from a 8ight-b chassis could it be?

RC-Monster Mike 04.02.2010 11:11 PM

Today's home brew = tomorrow's production vehicles. :)

asheck 04.02.2010 11:13 PM

IMO you'll are thinking about this all wrong. What needs to be done is all the Corr trucks need to be converted to truggy style, Then everyone can race and get along :D
Here' I'll start.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL133.../384117448.jpg

mohanjude 04.03.2010 04:18 AM

My Home Brew
 
OK guys I went crazy waiting for Mike's motor mount. So I decided to knock my own conversion. I did this to see how this truck handles and perhaps even do the crazy speed runs.

I could not mount the motor on the usual location on the right as it was going to foul the plate and side guards. I am also using one of the older square can Tekno Neu motor which is large and would have overhung off the plate (not so good)

So I decided to put the motor where the engine used to be. I did not reverse the diff so I had to carefully position the motor. To achieve the gear mesh I had to use a 24tooth Mod 1 Pinion.

I only had a 1515 1Y motor in square can so I had to make this work somehow. I made a battery tray out of kydex and screwed it on top of the square can motor with a support over the diff. This tray is so strong I cannot prise it off the truck - in fact I lift the truck off the ground using the battery tray.

The body fits perfectly without any modifications. I know when you look at it looks very bulky with a large 5000ma 6S pack on the top but I thought I might as well be nutz about this.

The truck goes like stink - now I havent stuck a thermometer to get exact temps but the motor does not get very hot to touch to the point it singes my fingers. Certainly the MMM does not appear to be unhappy as the fan only comes on briefly.

Below are some photos - you can see the spur does not appear to be damaged after driving this truck for over an 1 hour.


http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/IMG_0364.jpg

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/IMG_0365.jpg

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/IMG_0363.jpg

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/IMG_0362.jpg

bparanoid 04.03.2010 08:19 AM

I am in the process of working out a deal on a Mamba Monster ESC and 2200Kv motor combo. Will there be any issues using this combo on Mike's conversion kit? I just want to be sure it will work before I pull the trigger.

RC-Monster Mike 04.03.2010 12:43 PM

The kits are available now - the Castle 2200Kv combo will be a direct fit if you use the traxxas ERevo ESC holder to attach he ESC to the battery tray, bparanoid. :)

bparanoid 04.03.2010 12:48 PM

time to start shopping! The deal on Castle 2200Kv fell through :(

nitrostarter 04.03.2010 01:26 PM

Mike, might want to edit that picture attached the the Ten-T kit in the store. its kinda LARGE!!!

bparanoid 04.03.2010 01:27 PM

My order for the Kit is in!!!!!:party: Selected the 20t pinion..I hope its the right one:oh:

Tom 04.03.2010 01:40 PM

i orderd the kit now :-)
i hop i get the kit soon :-)

thanks

tom

i like the monsterīs

FG101C 04.03.2010 02:01 PM

Order placed.

bryan 04.03.2010 04:18 PM

Order placed! Bit salty,but you gotta pay to play. So how many kits sold so far Mike?:eyes:

hootie7159 04.03.2010 04:26 PM

order placed!!!....damn....in a matter of 8 weeks i've gone from 1/8th scale truggy/sc8's/....to a Blade SR and a brushless ten-t...wtf?...lol

gixxer 04.03.2010 06:52 PM

Looking good, just trying to resist the urge.

jhautz 04.03.2010 10:41 PM

how would this ten-t SCT conversion run on 2s? My club is having an "open" class but is keeping the battery limit to 2s to keep out the 1/8 buggys with a SCT body. This little car seems to weigh as much as my 808. Doesnt seem like it would be a 2s option.

stum 04.04.2010 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 358686)
how would this ten-t SCT conversion run on 2s? My club is having an "open" class but is keeping the battery limit to 2s to keep out the 1/8 buggys with a SCT body. This little car seems to weigh as much as my 808. Doesnt seem like it would be a 2s option.

Yes... but with conservative gearing you will have limited motor choices. You will need something along the lines of a Medusa 50mm in the 3000-4800kv range to be effective with only 2s lipo due to the size. Most standard 1/10 stuff won't hold up iMO, even w/ a lightened load.

gixxer 04.04.2010 08:39 AM

For 2s a lot of people run the novak hv's. I have a 6.5 in my jammin for an indoor track and I have heard 4.5's work great for 8th scale size tracks.

As for the weight I am curious to know what the sct converted one weights. Think the tires have to be lighter then the truggy style ones that come with the truck. Also going to 2s and a smaller motor should save some weight. Probably only a little heavier then the ofna/jammin 4x4's.

IIICJACKIII 04.04.2010 10:53 AM

:yipi:, ordered my kit last night! I am just not sure what motor to put in. I have a 1900kv tekin motor, or a 2200kv castle system.

asheck 04.04.2010 11:17 AM

Isn't adding all this weight with big motors and the corresponding battery weight going to add uneeded strain to a relatively small truck? I would think something like the MMp with a 1509, or Medusa 50-60 with some smaller 3000 4s setup would be better for this weight and style of vehicle. ( I don't know, I see 1515 and think 10lb plus vehicles :D )
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For 2s a lot of people run the novak hv's.
I run the HV 4.5 in my Slash 4x on 2-3s and it does pretty good geared 12/54, with these same tires. IMO it would work with this, if it wasn't to heavy, was their ever a weight given on the truck once conversion was done? My Slash is a hair over 5lbs RTR.

bryan 04.04.2010 12:45 PM

Mikes got it weighing in at 6lb 12oz rtr w/4s

RC-Monster Mike 04.04.2010 11:09 PM

"My Slash is a hair over 5lbs RTR."

I think with the components you list, your Slash is heavier than you think. The Ten T with a 4s 4200mah pack is about a pound heavier than my Slash 4x4 with a 2s 5000mah hard case pack(Slash comes in at 5lbs 14 oz RTR and is over 5lbs without a battery). This is in RTR form with the stock setup on the Slash 4 X 4 Platinum and the Tekin buggy combo and a 4s 4200mah 35c pack on the Ten T. The Slash has FLM suspension arms(total 1 oz than stock arms) and cvds(no other hop-up). I would guess the trucks would be within 1/2 pound or less of each other with similar components.

asheck 04.04.2010 11:18 PM

Thanks for that info. That's really not to heavy.
I hadn't realised I shaved that much weight from my Slash. It was 4lbs 8 oz rtr with a HV4.5, and Xerun 80a, no battery.

BTW Maybe I should clarify, that is my ST Slash, as pictured in post 285, with cut down bumpers, no rear body mount, shortened front mount, and a Crowd Pleazer body, IOW the one that is setup 10-T style :D It was weighed with a digital fish scale.

bryan 04.06.2010 09:36 PM

Stop looking at your mailbox D$MM$T! :lol:

bparanoid 04.07.2010 10:54 AM

I know how you feel Bryan. Mike, is it safe to say I will be the first in Canada with your kit?

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Originally Posted by bryan (Post 359095)
Stop looking at your mailbox D$MM$T! :lol:


RC-Monster Mike 04.07.2010 12:02 PM

2 kits went to Canada on the same day - I guess whoever is closer to NY will get it 1st. :)

bparanoid 04.07.2010 12:10 PM

Newman! http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Seinfeld/newman.jpg

hootie7159 04.07.2010 01:09 PM

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quick update on the 17mm hub conversion...the ofna 81175 's will fit but you have to drill out the center (1/4 drill bit) AND you have to grind down the back of the hub (about 1mm) so that the pin holes will line up....and it will look like this:

Attachment 8752

however, the threads on the hubs will only accept the threads on the wheel nuts that came with the set.....i have a set of losi/AE/and mugen 17mm hex nuts and they don't fit...seems like the thread on these hubs are wider...

sooo....if you want to keep using your 17mm wheel wrench and not have to deal with a 14mm nut and a washer to keep the wheel in place....this modification is an option although the latter (17mm hex hub with 14mm nut and washer) is cheaper than the ofna hex hub mod...but the ofna one should be stronger...:neutral:

bryan 04.07.2010 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bparanoid (Post 359154)
I know how you feel Bryan. Mike, is it safe to say I will be the first in Canada with your kit?

I live in Maryland.Mine should be here tommorow!:whistle:My MMM,and my Tekin motor showed up today.All of the puzzle pieces are finally coming together:yipi:

IIICJACKIII 04.07.2010 02:17 PM

I got mine yesterday, installed it last night at work. I got to try it out today and it feels very close to my 8ight buggy. I do need to get some bolts to finish bolting everything down. Mike can you tell me what size and thread pitch the holes are on the parts you tapped and the inserts in the tray?
Other than needing to get these bolts, it looks like a great setup.
thanks Mike:smile::smile:

RC-Monster Mike 04.07.2010 07:14 PM

The motor mount uses m3 on the top and m4 on the bottom - the screws for these should have been included. The battery tray requires 3 m4 screws and 1 m3 screw, which should be available from the stock parts IIRC.

95ROLR 04.07.2010 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bparanoid (Post 359172)

It's on... I was the other Canadian...

IIICJACKIII 04.07.2010 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 359238)
The motor mount uses m3 on the top and m4 on the bottom - the screws for these should have been included. The battery tray requires 3 m4 screws and 1 m3 screw, which should be available from the stock parts IIRC.

thanks for the info. The two bolts for the batt.tray that go through the old nitro motor mount are a smaller counter sunk head (m3?) that uses a tapered washer to make them flat. the holes in the tray have a bigger insert(m4?) so i guess i will have to get some button heads for them. I tried the stock bolts in some of the holes and it felt tight after only one thread in. So i stopped, didn't want to strip any threads.

IIICJACKIII 04.08.2010 02:30 AM

Well, i just checked the screws that came with the kit and the ones that came with the Ten-t and they are different. My ten-t has standard threads, not metric. All i need is the 4 that mount where the nitro motor mounts bolted down. No biggie i'll stop and pick up some bolts before the weekend.

bryan 04.08.2010 07:43 PM

Finally got all of the pieces together! My set-up "was" Castle MMM,Tekin 1700kv untill the smoke from the brand new esc.? Yes i will be contacting castle tommorow.I was forced"DONT BRAKE MY ARM" to install a MMP that i just so happen to have in my 1/16 revo instead of tearing apart my 8ight-t 2.0.My opinion on what TEAM LOSI,and MIKES conversion from one to ten.100% "screw ten".This is deffinetly 1/8 scale performance,at 1/10 scale size.Job well done to all,except CCCCCCCC. I will contact tommorow :lol:. S$!t Happens.:yes:. love castles controllers but also love tekins wide variety of motors.Very nice conversion. So what are you going to sell me next Mike?

FG101C 04.10.2010 01:22 PM

Got the kit Thursday, finished it up this morning. Have to say top notch quality as always, thanks Mike.

1509 NEU (3300kv)
Turnigy 35c 5000mah 3s
Mamba Max ESC.

Moller123456 ! 04.12.2010 07:30 AM

Wow FG101C :) That looks sweet :D i first ordered my kit today... i hope mike will ship soon and declare what i asked him to do;D

FG101C 04.12.2010 11:36 AM

Thanks, you will be impressed. On the track it's better than my 8ight buggy, and bashing is just incredible. The zombie max tires work surprisingly well.

I hope they do a Ten-B, that would be the perfect replacement to their current 1/10th 4wd buggy.

BrianG 04.12.2010 11:55 AM

Yeah, the tires do work surprisingly well. Too bad they aren't glued well from the factory. Speaking of which, why do premounts suck anyway? I mean, if you're gonna glue a tire, it only makes sense to do it right.

Anyway, are you going to keep those irritating hubcap thingies on there?

One thing I did that I didn't show in a picture in this thread is to make a new rear toe plate. I didn't like the large toe angle and the way the rear arms swept forward. Making a new rear toe plate reduced the toe, brought the arms back (and aligned the shocks better), and also helped reduce wheelies.

http://www.scriptasylum.com/bl_conve...es/ten_t_4.jpg


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