The runners up are closing the gap hopefully:-)
 

Now Novak, LRP and Orion, not in that order, are making new brushless 1/8 motors, that are 4 pole, and actually may be up to the task! :lol:

Novaks version: http://www.redrc.net/2011/05/novak-b...rs/#more-42562

Orions: http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=262764

LRP:Well I saw them somewhere, very similar to the Orions above, but can't find them. The net is so BIG, I can't keep tabs on every site:whistle:

Anyone held or driven one yet?

TG

Viper is also coming out with new 1/8's.

I am surprised it took Novak this long to build these. Although they are geared more toward the 1/10 market.

the Orions look interesting though...any idea on prices?

Novak can suck it. They've been screwing RC'ers through ROAR for long enough.
They will never get a single penny of my hard earned cash. Period.

I'll stick with Castle and Neu, good for the hobby and good honest people to do business with.

My $0.02... That is all.

Now, if CC could come out with a sensored motor, it would be nice. Or better yet, a replaceable sensored endcap that could be used on any of their current motors...

I second that!

Those Orion motors look nice though, I like how the rotor is larger diameter for bigger bearings but steps down to 5mm for pinion gear compatibility. Looks like they have M4 and M3 thread holes on the front endbell too.

Why the hate for Novak? What did they do?

Novak missed for five years, he can sympathize
But Orion has the meaning of hate - the motor shaft 4.5mm

"Specifications MR8
- Weight 313g
- Length 66.5mm
- Diameter incl. cooling fins 42.9mm
- Shaft diameter 4.5mm
- Shaft length 23mm "

That's gotta be wrong. Why would they make a motor in that class that requires a special kind of pinion, BELOW the 5mm mark? What's the point? Just so you can make your own pinions and sell em at a higher price? That's really, really greedy and obvious.

You can probably get a mod that lets you fit 5mm, but because they did that I definately won't support them. It's an extremely arrogant move.

If that is true, the only way to use 5mm pinions would be to use a sleeve that has a material thickness of 0.25mm. 6mm pinions with a better sleeve would then be a better choice, but still crappy.

I would hope that's a misprint because I can't see them selling a whole lot of them given the ever-increasing array of competition out there...

http://rc-auto.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=14119
http://rc-auto.ru/forum/index.php?ac...=post&id=20300

1750 kv max 14.8v/4S? Isn't that a bit low? Castle's 2200kv's can be run on 6s for short periods of time. Just a recommended rating, or does it have something to do with Sensored application?

Also, the watt ratings of the regular size and the large size are almost identical. Why's that? I assume these are burst ratings, or an average rating of continous and burst, but aren't they QUITE low compared to Castle? Or am I misreading it? Is this cause they are sensored? Sensored is supposed to be considerably less powerful than sensorless.

They have intentionally held back the RC market through ROAR regulation arm twisting, forcing racers into an experience of unreliable running gear that lacks performance and increased expense out of sheer greed.

If reliability, cost, and performance were the benchmarks used by the regulating body for RC racing Novak would not only be out of the scene, they would be out of business.

Sorry for the rant, but I didn't want to leave you hanging.

Thank you. But why would people support such a company? There are plenty of other decent setups for brushless racing...

And one would surely think reliability and performance to be the most important factors in racing. :O

Brushless is getting less and less expensive, we're getting more and more choices, so one can hope companies such as Novak won't rule the scene anymore. The rise of Asian brushless gear is also slowly appearing all over the RC world, and it's also getting more and more reliable. Once it gets big enough it should drive western prices down too (Hopefully.).

Fortunately, the companies with the biggest and best PR campaigns won't have ALL the power anymore either. Word of mouth has gotten way more powerful with the internet.

Yup, more people are finding that there are in deed more and better choices out there, and now that Novak is loosing businesss to shops like Tekin and Castle they are starting to "upgrade" their products in a similar fashion, hense this thread. But to awnser your question people were pushed into buying Novac stuff because when they went to their local track they found (and still find) it to be a ROAR regulated environment where sensors are mandatory, 2S lipo was the limit, and many classes required you to run a very specific motor. All of which was geared to keep the sales pointed at Novak.

And that's why even if Novak clones the very best Castle ESC's, makes Neu motors to the finest detail and sells TRUE 50/100C lipo's for pennies on the dollar versus buying the real stuff, they will never see a dime of my cash.