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jzemaxx 02.26.2008 02:57 PM

Any HV ESC's coming out this year for car/truck apps??
 
I'm running a HV110 and am wanting more....the Schulze and Jeti Spin are nice but WAY overpriced. Is their something becoming available this year with a sub-stratospheric price tag?

Arct1k 02.26.2008 03:01 PM

Fingers crossed MMM in a month...

The tekin is due soon too...

lutach 02.26.2008 03:19 PM

I think he wants 10S lipos or more. I'm having one made, but it's being made from scratch. The guy that is making them is having some trouble with a car software. He told me that he has the forward/brake part done, but the reverse still needs work. It should handle 14S lipos. Patrick from Castle did mention a 12S capable MMM, but I think they are not going to make them anymore. The MMM coming out in my opinion doesn't reank as a HV. I have all the Aveox line of controllers and they have a L, M and H series. The H which is the HV one can handle 10S lipos or 32 normal cells. Forgot to add that the Jeti Spin 200 or 300 is not for cars. The only companies that makes a HV that has car software are: Schulze, MGM, BK (Might be limited on RPM range), Kontronik, Actronic and SinusLeistungsSteller (This seems to be one awesome controller http://www.sinusleistungssteller.de/index.html).

BrianG 02.26.2008 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 151632)
I think he wants 10S lipos or more. I'm having one made, but it's being made from scratch. The guy that is making them is having some trouble with a car software.

Just throwing this out there since I'm kinda looking at options myself, but what about having your guy use the brains from a much cheaper car ESC? The only issue I can think of is you won't be able to use the LVC in the software, but he could add a set of DIPs or jumpers to set the LVC. Then, just interface the brain with your own FET boards. Just a thought...

jzemaxx 02.26.2008 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lutach (Post 151632)
I think he wants 10S lipos or more. I'm having one made, but it's being made from scratch. The guy that is making them is having some trouble with a car software. He told me that he has the forward/brake part done, but the reverse still needs work. It should handle 14S lipos. Patrick from Castle did mention a 12S capable MMM, but I think they are not going to make them anymore. The MMM coming out in my opinion doesn't reank as a HV. I have all the Aveox line of controllers and they have a L, M and H series. The H which is the HV one can handle 10S lipos or 32 normal cells. Forgot to add that the Jeti Spin 200 or 300 is not for cars. The only companies that makes a HV that has car software are: Schulze, MGM, BK (Might be limited on RPM range), Kontronik, Actronic and SinusLeistungsSteller (This seems to be one awesome controller http://www.sinusleistungssteller.de/index.html).

All I need is forward and brake, and yes I'm running 10S and 12S lipo setup. Running a 1527 Neu motor on one of my e-maxx's.

jzemaxx 02.26.2008 03:47 PM

Which one does BK make that is HV. I have a pair of 9920's and they have been wonderful so far. Don't mine BK controllers at all.

lutach 02.26.2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 151638)
Just throwing this out there since I'm kinda looking at options myself, but what about having your guy use the brains from a much cheaper car ESC? The only issue I can think of is you won't be able to use the LVC in the software, but he could add a set of DIPs or jumpers to set the LVC. Then, just interface the brain with your own FET boards. Just a thought...

I've told him the same thing, but he wants to go with what he has. All I have to do at this time is wait and apologize.

lutach 02.26.2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jzemaxx (Post 151640)
Which one does BK make that is HV. I have a pair of 9920's and they have been wonderful so far. Don't mine BK controllers at all.

Here are the BK controllers: 3670 / MicroCar, 3695 / MicroCar, 36120 / MicroCar and 36150 / MicroCar. I have 2 of the 3695 and one burnt (22.2 volts and Hacker C50-13L) and I'm afraid to use the other LOL.

jzemaxx 02.26.2008 05:12 PM

I found them on BK's site, but looks like no one in the US carries them.

lutach 02.26.2008 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jzemaxx (Post 151639)
All I need is forward and brake, and yes I'm running 10S and 12S lipo setup. Running a 1527 Neu motor on one of my e-maxx's.

Which 1527 do you have? If you can draw something in the neighborhood of 50-60A, then go with a Kontronik 55-10-32. You might be able to find some in other forums for around $180.

jzemaxx 02.26.2008 05:15 PM

Its the 1527 1D. Draws an advertised 118 amps, but not sure what real world it will put just yet. I'm going to just give the HV110 a shot and see what happens.

I'm going to set it to really soft start to avoid the high amp draw on getting the truck rolling.

BrianG 02.26.2008 06:02 PM

FWIW, I just got a response back from Joe Ford about another question I had and he was saying that Steve Neu found that the HV-110 was able to take 150-160A bursts no problem. He also mentioned that Steve had a thread over at RCGroups about this - am attempting to find it now...

jzemaxx 02.26.2008 06:07 PM

I spoke to some of the Heli guys that claim they are data logging spike as high as 200amp with the HV110 and with a fan they claim it takes it like a champ. So for the time being I'm going to cross my fingers with it. Only problem is brakes....I will run the brakes at the lowest setting.

jhautz 02.26.2008 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzemaxx (Post 151672)
I spoke to some of the Heli guys that claim they are data logging spike as high as 200amp with the HV110 and with a fan they claim it takes it like a champ.


This is not adding to this conversation so I apologize in advance...

I just thought it was funny that they are adding fans to the esc in the heli.... Those things are just giant fans aren't they? Adding another one seems kinda silly.

Sorry... Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.:tongue:

jzemaxx 02.26.2008 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 151678)
This is not adding to this conversation so I apologize in advance...

I just thought it was funny that they are adding fans to the esc in the heli.... Those things are just giant fans aren't they? Adding another one seems kinda silly.

Sorry... Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.:tongue:

Guess it really depends on what body they use and where its placed.

othello 02.26.2008 09:00 PM

A Kontronik Jazz 55-10-32 is able to provide peak Amps above 100A. I have several logs on 10s1p A123 with a Neu 1515 and Neu 1512 "proofing" this. I see regular Peaks of 2KW and the max of my batteries seems to be around 2.5Kw. No cogging so far and no thermaling (small heatsink added).

2 new HV ESCs will be released by kontronik in spring. Jive 60+ HV and Jive 80+ HV. Both able to be fed by up to 12s lipo. 60a and 80A cont. With proper cooling (heatsink) they will be able to provide twice those numbers. Burst currents are not published yet. Both will have a car program with forward only and proportional brake. Both will have an integrated BEC wich can be used up to 12s lipo. And they will be waterproof. Preliminary prices: 250 Euros for the smaller one and 300 Euros for the Jive 80+ HV. Both could be interesting choices for HV applications.

As of now details are only published in german. Clicking on "Datenblatt" leads you to the specs (published in german and english).

lutach 02.26.2008 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by othello (Post 151705)
A Kontronik Jazz 55-10-32 is able to provide peak Amps above 100A. I have several logs on 10s1p A123 with a Neu 1515 and Neu 1512 "proofing" this. I see regular Peaks of 2KW and the max of my batteries seems to be around 2.5Kw. No cogging so far and no thermaling (small heatsink added).

2 new HV ESCs will be released by kontronik in spring. Jive 60+ HV and Jive 80+ HV. Both able to be fed by up to 12s lipo. 60a and 80A cont. With proper cooling (heatsink) they will be able to provide twice those numbers. Burst currents are not published yet. Both will have a car program with forward only and proportional brake. Both will have an integrated BEC wich can be used up to 12s lipo. And they will be waterproof. Preliminary prices: 250 Euros for the smaller one and 300 Euros for the Jive 80+ HV. Both could be interesting choices for HV applications.

As of now details are only published in german. Clicking on "Datenblatt" leads you to the specs (published in german and english).

I downloaded the Kontronik catalogue and the Jive will not be having proportional brakes, but only time will tell if they will or not have it. Hope they do. (Edit: Actually they might have the proportional brake now that I looked at the link othello provided).

Patrick 02.27.2008 04:23 AM

Won't a 1527 1D (2300kv) be too much on 10 or 12s? It'll be at the 60 000rpm limit at around 26v.

lutach 02.27.2008 10:21 AM

I'll be using 12S on a 1527/1.5Y and 10S on a 1521/1.5Y. I use 6S now on a 1521/1Y and tried 10S and it was too much.

jzemaxx 02.27.2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 151785)
Won't a 1527 1D (2300kv) be too much on 10 or 12s? It'll be at the 60 000rpm limit at around 26v.

Its used for speed passes only....so short 10-20sec burst at a time.

lutach 02.27.2008 02:23 PM

With 12S, I would recommend the following: Neu 1527/1.5Y and 1527/2.5D. With 10S I would go with: Neu 1527/2D and 1521/1.5Y. Now if those are 2 big then use the following: With 10S go with the 1515/2Y and 12S go with 1515/2.5Y. Geared properly, they can give you great run times and cooler too.


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