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plettenbergs 03.26.2008 06:05 PM

Dual Plettenbergs(close-ups)..BL emaxx in CRACK!
 
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7555.jpghttp://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7561.jpghttp://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7560.jpghttp://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7558.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7556.jpghttp://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7554.jpghttp://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7562.jpg

I broke the front off the trani output shaft the other day!...i thought i would try rear wheel drive...BROKE THE REAR half of the shaft today!!!

Takedown 03.26.2008 06:08 PM

Ya I saw thos awhile back. Complete overkill... I also heard that right after the guy built it he never ran it.

What's_nitro? 03.26.2008 06:09 PM

With the one exception being this sentence, I am at a loss for words.

Takedown 03.26.2008 06:29 PM

I also think those ESC's are bound for extinction mounted over the plettenbergs. One wrong land is all its gonna take. Otherwise it looks great!

brushlessboy16 03.26.2008 07:12 PM

imagine what it would do with lipos!

Takedown 03.26.2008 07:23 PM

Imagine what it would do period!

aqwut 03.26.2008 08:04 PM

Looks very nice....
It's just stupidly overkill... Great Job!!!

plettenbergs 03.26.2008 08:25 PM

Now About Lipo!
 
would i need 4 batteries?
what size?
what brand is the best?
I have NOVAK power supply,what is best charger/discharge/conditioner?
I WANT THE BEST!:eyes:

satttheman 03.26.2008 08:50 PM

u could run two 3s 5000 polyquest and have probably the same power u have now but longer... or go crazy and do two 4s 5000 polyquest... and for charger i like the hyperion 1210 but i have the multiplex LN-5014 and the chargery c650 and there both nice also but the multiplex doesnt come off charged to the max( like if its my 5s apache it comes off that charger at 20.6 instead of 21)

plettenbergs 03.26.2008 09:13 PM

wow!
 
Polyquest PQ-5000xp 4s=$250...18.4OZ
I want the best(most badass) batteries and charger!

satttheman 03.26.2008 09:30 PM

bro thats up too u. u have two Schulze 18.97 theyre rated for 18cells so u can run two 6s if u want. look at 6s 3700mah 25c polyquest

Takedown 03.26.2008 09:32 PM

I say go for the FlightPower 4500mah 6s 30c-60c lipo (look at the amp ratings)- http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXRWE7&P=7

Should be killer.

plettenbergs 03.26.2008 09:42 PM

now we are talkin
 
22.2 volts!:gasp: X 2

Takedown 03.26.2008 09:44 PM

Ya its gonna run on 12s, thats pretty crazy if you ask me. You got upgaded diffs?

Takedown 03.26.2008 09:46 PM

Ya its gonna be a powerhouse! You got a bulletproof tranny, diffs and how are you going to get the two systems to run insync with each other?

plettenbergs 03.26.2008 09:48 PM

the BEST!
 
Unlimited Engineering spider8 diff gears!...also have 8mm titanium UE cvd's!

Takedown 03.26.2008 09:48 PM

What about your tranny?

plettenbergs 03.26.2008 10:02 PM

hook up!
 
both esc's are hooked to channel 1 of the novak RX with a y-splitter...i got the cable from ICARE when i purchased the electronics!

Takedown 03.26.2008 10:08 PM

That doesnt guarentee that both motors will spin at the same rpms though.

MetalMan 03.27.2008 02:28 AM

Wait... Channel 1? Channel 2 is typically for throttle with pistol grip TXs.

Patrick 03.27.2008 05:13 AM

The motors will be spinning at the same rpm since they're on the same spur gear.
If your using 12 cells on each esc now, I'd use 2 4s packs of the same age and specs. If you use 1 4s pack on each side you won't be able to sit some of the batteries under the chassis like you do now obviously, but I wouldn't want to do that with lipo anyway.
Your chassis looks like it will hold more than 6 nimh cells length ways, so if you have about 165-170mm of space I'd look for the longer style lipos since they sit a bit lower than a normal length pack of similar capacity. I'd probably go for the 5000mah 25c enerland cells (flightpower, poyquest and a few other brands that I forgot), but you should be able to loose some capacity if you want, since 5000mah 25c packs can do 125 amps, and you'll be using 2 in parallel...good luck trying to put 250 amps at 4s to the ground :yes:

rhylsadar 03.27.2008 05:50 AM

hi

the 18.97kw is only rated at 5s not 6s. anyway i would not go higher than 4s on each controller with the big maxximum. a fan on the esc and another mounting position wouldn't be wrong also.

bye
rhylsadar

plettenbergs 03.27.2008 06:55 AM

so 2 lipo's or 4?
 
so should i use 4 4s-5000 batteries? or just two?
i do like the idea of longer thinner batts!

Patrick 03.27.2008 08:05 AM

2 4s packs. 1 4s pack for each esc/motor.

plettenbergs 03.28.2008 06:24 PM

power
 
with that set-up(2-4s lipo)will i be taking a cut in POWER?
i cant go down,this thing has needs!:surprised:

jordan... 03.28.2008 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plettenbergs (Post 158599)
with that set-up(2-4s lipo)will i be taking a cut in POWER?
i cant go down,this thing has needs!:surprised:

each Nimh cell has 1.2v, so 12 each side means 14.4v. Each Lipo cell has 3.7v, so 4 cells means 14.8v. So you would be making a step up in power.

aqwut 03.30.2008 12:49 AM

Lipos is the way to go for this thing.... Will save plenty of weight..

DrKnow65 03.30.2008 01:36 AM

Is it ever driven? A video perhapse?

Trailer queen?

plettenbergs 03.30.2008 08:28 AM

well yes!
 
it didn't break itself...http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7574.jpg
i broke it all down last night....http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s/IMG_7580.jpg...i will post a vid this week when i put the new output shaft in...it is due to be delivered tomorrow!

aqwut 03.30.2008 10:23 AM

2x 4S 25C 5000mAh will not go down in power... that's 3700Watts of continuous power...

I'm sure ur nIMH had some ballz, but nothing close to the power output of the Lipos....
I rand 36 and 48 Cell Lipos at one time on a 20+ Lb Dual brushless E-maxx.. supermaxx/Ultra maxx Tranny, and 8 Spiders.. and I custom made 10mm cvds for mine.. :) Lipos are way more powerful.. and shed some weight too....

the 18.97 can do 6S, I did 6S with a snot load of 18.61K and 2 18.129F... I emailed schulze of this, and they said it was okay.....

Let's say each of your 12C @ 1.0Volts can pump out 100Amps... Comes out to 1200 Watts per 12 Cells.. so you have 2400 Watts Peak with the 24 Cell NiMH... Doesn't even come close to the continuous output the lipos has to offer... imagine the peak output of the lipos.... :)

big greg 03.30.2008 12:38 PM

man that thing is nuts! thats alot of cells i cant imagine what it would do on lipo, and the way the esc are mounted scare me but other than that its awesome

plettenbergs 03.30.2008 01:41 PM

do be scared!
 
i run the truck in my huge sodded yard only....it will not be skidding down the street on its lid or doing ten or so flipps out of controll!...i have way too much $$$ in this biotch for that!!!!!:lol:.....you are not the only one concerned...when i put it back together tomorrow i will try to relocate the speed controlls...there is no extra room:whistle:



i have some good chargers for sale!!!

plettenbergs 03.31.2008 09:11 PM

wow!
 
i weighed the 24 nimh batteries last night!! total=58 oz...2 5000 4s lipos only 36 oz...almost 2 pounds less weight with lipo!...i am making the switch when i get $700 dollars to throw in the wind! i own a Landscaping ang Masonry business that is booming so it wont be long!!!

I am still looking on info on chargers!...SCHULZE anyone?

aqwut 03.31.2008 09:19 PM

hyperion EOS610i DUO.. Already sold out...
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=3589
I have the 1210i, and I love it... I will get the EOS610i DUO soon as they have it in stock..

bdebde 03.31.2008 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plettenbergs (Post 159412)
i weighed the 24 nimh batteries last night!! total=58 oz...2 5000 4s lipos only 36 oz...almost 2 pounds less weight with lipo!...i am making the switch when i get $700 dollars to throw in the wind! i own a Landscaping ang Masonry business that is booming so it wont be long!!!

I am still looking on info on chargers!...SCHULZE anyone?

Use a single big maxx on 5s and save 2 more pounds!

aqwut 03.31.2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdebde (Post 159433)
Use a single big maxx on 5s and save 2 more pounds!

True!!...

A BigMaxx on 5S is awesome!.... the dual BigMaxx will just tear up your drivetrain, drive shafts will twist, due to the shear strenght and weight of the truck..

What's the total weight of your truck with the dual BigMaxx..?

its me 04.01.2008 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 158169)
The motors will be spinning at the same rpm since they're on the same spur gear.
If your using 12 cells on each esc now, I'd use 2 4s packs of the same age and specs. If you use 1 4s pack on each side you won't be able to sit some of the batteries under the chassis like you do now obviously, but I wouldn't want to do that with lipo anyway.
Your chassis looks like it will hold more than 6 nimh cells length ways, so if you have about 165-170mm of space I'd look for the longer style lipos since they sit a bit lower than a normal length pack of similar capacity. I'd probably go for the 5000mah 25c enerland cells (flightpower, poyquest and a few other brands that I forgot), but you should be able to loose some capacity if you want, since 5000mah 25c packs can do 125 amps, and you'll be using 2 in parallel...good luck trying to put 250 amps at 4s to the ground :yes:

Thank you for that info, I was wondering about that.
When I built my twin motor nitro I was told that each motor needs to be perfectly in sync with each other...... that was absolute BS!! I could run one motor fat and one motor lean, it didn't matter they both temped the same. How ever when they were both tuned perfectly the truck would take off like a rocket :)


Sweet as hell truck plentenbergs!!

aqwut 04.01.2008 11:22 PM

even with the dual brushless, one esc is always working harder.... maybe very minute and makes little difference.. but I've had many issues with dual schulze 18.61 and 18.129s... if one thermals, you're gonna have a big uh-oh... but then again, back in the days, I didn't pay much attention to gearing as gears weren't readily available..

lydiasdad 04.01.2008 11:42 PM

Remember that your system is only as good as your batteries. If your batts can put out 2000 watts and you use one 3000 watt motor you will only get 2000 watts of power. Adding another motor only adds weight and more wasted energy. The only time a second motor is beneficial is if any single motor can not match the batteries output. Not that it's not cool as hell, don't get me wrong.:lol:

aqwut 04.02.2008 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lydiasdad (Post 159862)
Remember that your system is only as good as your batteries. If your batts can put out 2000 watts and you use one 3000 watt motor you will only get 2000 watts of power. Adding another motor only adds weight and more wasted energy. The only time a second motor is beneficial is if any single motor can not match the batteries output. Not that it's not cool as hell, don't get me wrong.:lol:

Very True... but the look of dual brushless is just wicked... both of them Plettenbergs should be able to put out 4000 Watts easily.... if the batteries can provide the juice of course....
2x 4S 5000 mAh 25C would be excellent... but the controller is only able to push out 97 Watts... so he's limited to that... I feel so sorry for the drivetrain... them BigMaxx looks so damn beautiful...


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